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X-Laboratories

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Quote from: cryptoba on May 07, 2014, 01:58:50 PM

Quote from: Maxikosw on May 07, 2014, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

Sometimes, in life you need a bit of trust ! And also, being able to make the difference between something good or bad !
If not you will never be sure of anything !

So true.
+1

lilikiki

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What would happen if you took the source modified out the fixes, created 2 different wallet without the fix. You then send the money from the premine account through the modded wallet, to the wallet of the other account with the modded wallet. What would that do? Would that effectively transfer the coins from the premine to another account, thus it would be valid from there right?

Or do the nodes reject it? The nodes reject right?

crunchynut

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Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 11:55:22 AM

Quote from: 3xk0pt3r on May 07, 2014, 08:09:39 AM

Quote from: maxsinner on May 07, 2014, 08:00:55 AM

So what is to prevent the original developer from selling more coins from the premine as we speak? Are you rolling back the block-chain to some point in the past or what, I don't get it?

Im not a coder, but as far as i know, there is a hardcode to block wallet, where the orriginal dev have these premined coins. That's the main reason for stop deposits and withdraws on exchanges and the rason why we'rewaiting for new updated wallet. Those premined coins will be, simply told, ignored.

I am a coder. I'll break it down.

Everyone can look on our AsiaCoin block explorer from the OP that wallet AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu gained 3228519924.78 AC from transaction 4f2a34278389aac0b88bbb283338d4dac9314ec62e7dba0f263fc4570aa93c3b. If we go back to the first blocks, it's easy to spot that block 1 is the original dev's premine and has a similarly large value to the dev wallet above.

As for the code fixes, look here and here for the hard coded dev wallet bans. We can all see redundant checks to block AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu in ProcessBlock, IsStandard, and AcceptBlock. Check it out for yourselves. Each dev wallet ban in the code looks similar to this:

Code:

static const CBitcoinAddress lostWallet ("AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu");

Code:

if (lostWallet.Get() == addressSource.Get()){
	return error("CBlock::AcceptBlock() : Banned Address %s tried to send a transaction (rejecting it).", addressSource.ToString().c_str());
}

you also checked whether this code is ever executed and there isn't anything hidden that prevents that check?

and did you check cbitcoinaddress, cbitcoinaddressvisitor, cbase58data, etc. that there is nothing hidden that would let the cbitcoinaddress constructors or "lostWallet.Get() == addressSource.Get()" do something unexpected? you can confirm that the == operator works correctly and has no tiny flaw added that will fail in this special case?

it's easy to quote a few lines of code that somehow look like that everything is ok while there are several thousand lines of code involved in making this one comparison work and where you could easily hide your stuff.

cryptoba

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Quote from: Maxikosw on May 07, 2014, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

Sometimes, in life you need a bit of trust ! And also, being able to make the difference between something good or bad !
If not you will never be sure of anything !

cryptoba

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Great work, great new team, great goals, GREAT COIN !!! Grin

Come on AsiaCoin Cool

EnabledZombi3

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I think you're right to be skeptical. We should all always be skeptical of new altcoins. However, there is a way to verify whether an altcoin (or in this case, a fix to an altcoin) is a scam, and that way is to review the code.

I encourage all concerned parties who have even a rudimentary ability to read code to review micryon's changes and voice your approval and/or concerns. This is not just for your own benefit, but for the whole community.

The link again. Thank you for your efforts.

Quote from: Maxikosw on May 07, 2014, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

MacMuffin

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Quote from: lionhead666 on May 07, 2014, 01:15:08 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 11:55:22 AM

Quote from: 3xk0pt3r on May 07, 2014, 08:09:39 AM

Quote from: maxsinner on May 07, 2014, 08:00:55 AM

So what is to prevent the original developer from selling more coins from the premine as we speak? Are you rolling back the block-chain to some point in the past or what, I don't get it?

Im not a coder, but as far as i know, there is a hardcode to block wallet, where the orriginal dev have these premined coins. That's the main reason for stop deposits and withdraws on exchanges and the rason why we'rewaiting for new updated wallet. Those premined coins will be, simply told, ignored.

I am a coder. I'll break it down.

Everyone can look on our AsiaCoin block explorer from the OP that wallet AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu gained 3228519924.78 AC from transaction 4f2a34278389aac0b88bbb283338d4dac9314ec62e7dba0f263fc4570aa93c3b. If we go back to the first blocks, it's easy to spot that block 1 is the original dev's premine and has a similarly large value to the dev wallet above.

As for the code fixes, look here and here for the hard coded dev wallet bans. We can all see redundant checks to block AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu in ProcessBlock, IsStandard, and AcceptBlock. Check it out for yourselves. Each dev wallet ban in the code looks similar to this:

Code:

static const CBitcoinAddress lostWallet ("AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu");

Code:

if (lostWallet.Get() == addressSource.Get()){
	return error("CBlock::AcceptBlock() : Banned Address %s tried to send a transaction (rejecting it).", addressSource.ToString().c_str());
}

Fair enough.

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How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

You can download this handy program, winmerge, to check the sourcecodes yourself. Other than that, you can't know if anybody is lying or not.

silencesilence

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Quote from: jdebunt on May 07, 2014, 12:32:35 PM

A small updated article :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/2014/5/7/asiacoin-source-code-cleaned-up-released-to-exchanges

More to come as you guys keep progressing

good job

gemstar5000

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Quote from: Maxikosw on May 07, 2014, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

LMAO. Some people huh.

Maestro1

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The block explorer (that mullick has put up for us), has been up and down continuesly. I have contacted cryptexplorer.com and altexplorer.net to see if they are able to put up a block explorer (I believe the block explorer should be a by a third party, not us).

If anyone is interested in helping out with block explorer, please PM me.

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Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

Maestro1

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To be clear,

It's not only a two-month-old account, as our lead developer (who actually led the coding of the fix and has been very active on this thread) is micryon, who has a pretty trustworthy profile here, and mullick from Cryptsy has been involved in every single step of the development.

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

I think you can assume that micryon and mullick are not the original developers.

I also invite everyone to go through the codes (links are on the first post and on our website), to both confirm that line by line there's nothing hidden there, and also to check that the code does what we claim it does (invalidating the premined coins in the original developer's wallet). Actually when we contacted the exchanges, they can confirm, this is what we asked them to do:

Quote from: Maestro1 on May 07, 2014, 03:24:13 PM

We believe it is absolutely crucial for all exchanges to thoroughly review the source code for two reasons: (1) to be confident about our work and indentions here and (2) to inform us if indeed there is something missed or a bug somewhere

I hope this helps.

lionhead666

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Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 11:55:22 AM

Quote from: 3xk0pt3r on May 07, 2014, 08:09:39 AM

Quote from: maxsinner on May 07, 2014, 08:00:55 AM

So what is to prevent the original developer from selling more coins from the premine as we speak? Are you rolling back the block-chain to some point in the past or what, I don't get it?

Im not a coder, but as far as i know, there is a hardcode to block wallet, where the orriginal dev have these premined coins. That's the main reason for stop deposits and withdraws on exchanges and the rason why we'rewaiting for new updated wallet. Those premined coins will be, simply told, ignored.

I am a coder. I'll break it down.

Everyone can look on our AsiaCoin block explorer from the OP that wallet AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu gained 3228519924.78 AC from transaction 4f2a34278389aac0b88bbb283338d4dac9314ec62e7dba0f263fc4570aa93c3b. If we go back to the first blocks, it's easy to spot that block 1 is the original dev's premine and has a similarly large value to the dev wallet above.

As for the code fixes, look here and here for the hard coded dev wallet bans. We can all see redundant checks to block AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu in ProcessBlock, IsStandard, and AcceptBlock. Check it out for yourselves. Each dev wallet ban in the code looks similar to this:

Code:

static const CBitcoinAddress lostWallet ("AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu");

Code:

if (lostWallet.Get() == addressSource.Get()){
	return error("CBlock::AcceptBlock() : Banned Address %s tried to send a transaction (rejecting it).", addressSource.ToString().c_str());
}

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Quote from: Maestro1 on May 07, 2014, 12:27:10 PM

Quote from: spcrypt on May 07, 2014, 12:08:32 PM

Do I need to download a new wallet then? Where from if so.
My current wallet was downloaded the day of the original launch.
I mined 50K I'm not to worried about, but bought about 60K the day of and day before the trading was stopped.

thanks,

Yes you need to download a new wallet (keep your wallet.dat backup). We will release the new wallet once the exchanges confirm that they have upgraded to the fix that we shared with them, as it is crucial for the security of the network.

Quote from: juicejoyce on May 07, 2014, 12:09:51 PM

what's the plan?
dev

Explained in detail on the first post, and on the website.

Quote from: Specialkey on May 07, 2014, 12:12:11 PM

Need a mac wallet. Grin

We are arranging someone to create a Mac and Android wallet but it could take some time.

What is with my stakes then?

Thanks for intel:-)

MacMuffin

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Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

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Quote from: BCMann on May 07, 2014, 01:07:44 PM

having a working block explorer is a step in the right direction... but i cant connect.. my local problem?

nope can't connect either

BCMann

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having a working block explorer is a step in the right direction... but i cant connect.. my local problem?

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Quote from: mrdennis86 on May 07, 2014, 12:44:54 PM

Greate job "new" team!

well, you are right that there is no proof that the "new" team isn't in fact the old team. there is only a 2 months old account promising us that everything will be fine soon and we'll be back on the road to unlimited wealth. what's really going on and what the true intentions of this "team" really are, we don't know. in this situation we simply have no other option than to trust them and that they really try to save the coin and not to pull of another scam to dump the premined coin. they are in control now. nothing we as normal users can do about it.

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Greate job "new" team!

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Quote from: drmadcat on May 07, 2014, 12:34:26 PM

Quote from: Maestro1 on May 07, 2014, 12:27:54 PM

First Post updated (minor).

If people bought the premine are the coins still valid or will they disappear with the new wallet.

They will be valid. Only the premined coins that were the original developer's wallet are invalidated (which is all the coins that he hadn't sold). I will update first post to clearify this as it is asked multiple times (edit: done).

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