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hero member
Activity: 1029
Merit: 712

I think you have to keep the bonus blocks, otherwise as awesome person says it becomes just like every other coin.  I am worried that this change makes it rather like every other coin anyway ...
What's your suggestion?

I don't have one I am afraid, indeed I don't think there is an answer.  The part of the bitcoin protocol which requires that the reward of every block be known at the time you start mining the block means that the original concept of the coin simply cannot be achieved.
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
Can't we just leave it like it is and start our own CGA insider multipool that mines all the good CGA blocks and switches to wafflepool or something for the other blocks, then just don't tell anybody on the original post about the multipool so they mine the zero reward blocks.
lol...
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
Can't we just leave it like it is and start our own CGA insider multipool that mines all the good CGA blocks and switches to wafflepool or something for the other blocks, then just don't tell anybody on the original post about the multipool so they mine the zero reward blocks.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
What do you mean with "can't connect"? There are active miners on the pools.

I think you have to keep the bonus blocks, otherwise as awesome person says it becomes just like every other coin.  I am worried that this change makes it rather like every other coin anyway ...
What's your suggestion?
hero member
Activity: 1029
Merit: 712
I'd like to suggest a different block reward system: Instead of reward every x block, reward every block, but devide the reward (1) by the diff. If the diff is less than 3, 3 is taken.

Examples:
Diff = 1
Code:
1/3 = 0.333333333
Block Reward: 0.333333333

Diff = 10
Code:
1/10 = 0.1
Block Reward: 0.100000000

Diff = 200
Code:
1/200 = 0.005
Block Reward: 0.005

This would have some advantages:
  • The rewards wouldn't change at all over time.
  • Every block pays (rewarding long-time-miners).
  • If a multi pool hits the coin, the diff raises within 2 blocks, the multi pool wouldn't be able to mine much coins.

I have decided to do something similar to this:
Code:
   else if(block > ### ) //Update 1.1.2.3
     {
     if(diff < 3)
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / 3 * COIN;           //Every 3rd block makes 1 CGA (just split among 3 blocks)
     }
    
     else if(diff > 3)
     {
     if (remain < 1) //Bonus block
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 * COIN;
     }
     else // Normal blocks are 1/diff
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / diff * COIN;
     }
     }
     }


With this, CGA will come into existence very close to how it has been since the last update. The difference is that instead of getting a full coin in 1 block, the 1 coin is split up among (what would of been) the 0 blocks. I am not sure if I want to keep the "bonus block", it may encourage MP's to take advantage of CGA. My other options are to "reverse" the "bonus block" and make it a 0 block, or just get rid of it all together.

This isn't my final fix. I will be taking out Kimoto's Gravity Well to reduce the risk of an reorg attack, but I have decided to not switch the alog from scrypt. I feel that it will be too big of a change and will only delay the inevitable.

Please let me know what you think.

Two things: First: Yes, removing the bonus blocks would prevent the multipool problem, but it would also remove one of the main reasons this coin is attractive. If cryptographic anomalies are no longer a real thing, all the mystique behind the coin would disappear. It's a brand new system and, really, not a lot of people know how it works; when something knew comes along, a lot of people want to know how it works, so they either come here or go to the website to find out, and by then, they're already far more involved in CGA than they are with most of the other coins, and because of this, these curious people are significantly more likely to become loyal miners and investors. It's the reason I'm here. If we lost this feature, CGA wouldn't attract nearly as many curious people to it as it would have, we would be losing a great deal of our ability to grow, and I don't think the multipool issue is likely enough to risk this. I think we should still reward 1/diff for non-bonus blocks, but I don't think that it would be wise, especially early on like this, to remove the bonus blocks altogether.

Second: Sorry if this comes off like nitpicking, because I don't know how likely or possible this is, but, looking at the code you posted, if the difficulty is exactly 3, every client on the network is going to run into an exception, which would be disastrous. Just change either "if(diff < 3)" or "else if(diff > 3)" to "if(diff <= 3)" or "else if(diff >= 3)". I only know python (and g-code, if that counts- I used to program CNC machines), so I don't know if C++ just handles this automatically- sorry if it does.

I think you have to keep the bonus blocks, otherwise as awesome person says it becomes just like every other coin.  I am worried that this change makes it rather like every other coin anyway ...

Re. The code, I agree for completeness and elegance but isn't diff a FLOAT?  So it can never be exactly 3?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
I'd like to suggest a different block reward system: Instead of reward every x block, reward every block, but devide the reward (1) by the diff. If the diff is less than 3, 3 is taken.

Examples:
Diff = 1
Code:
1/3 = 0.333333333
Block Reward: 0.333333333

Diff = 10
Code:
1/10 = 0.1
Block Reward: 0.100000000

Diff = 200
Code:
1/200 = 0.005
Block Reward: 0.005

This would have some advantages:
  • The rewards wouldn't change at all over time.
  • Every block pays (rewarding long-time-miners).
  • If a multi pool hits the coin, the diff raises within 2 blocks, the multi pool wouldn't be able to mine much coins.

I have decided to do something similar to this:
Code:
   else if(block > ### ) //Update 1.1.2.3
     {
     if(diff < 3)
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / 3 * COIN;           //Every 3rd block makes 1 CGA (just split among 3 blocks)
     }
    
     else if(diff > 3)
     {
     if (remain < 1) //Bonus block
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 * COIN;
     }
     else // Normal blocks are 1/diff
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / diff * COIN;
     }
     }
     }


With this, CGA will come into existence very close to how it has been since the last update. The difference is that instead of getting a full coin in 1 block, the 1 coin is split up among (what would of been) the 0 blocks. I am not sure if I want to keep the "bonus block", it may encourage MP's to take advantage of CGA. My other options are to "reverse" the "bonus block" and make it a 0 block, or just get rid of it all together.

This isn't my final fix. I will be taking out Kimoto's Gravity Well to reduce the risk of an reorg attack, but I have decided to not switch the alog from scrypt. I feel that it will be too big of a change and will only delay the inevitable.

Please let me know what you think.

Two things: First: Yes, removing the bonus blocks would prevent the multipool problem, but it would also remove one of the main reasons this coin is attractive. If cryptographic anomalies are no longer a real thing, all the mystique behind the coin would disappear. It's a brand new system and, really, not a lot of people know how it works; when something knew comes along, a lot of people want to know how it works, so they either come here or go to the website to find out, and by then, they're already far more involved in CGA than they are with most of the other coins, and because of this, these curious people are significantly more likely to become loyal miners and investors. It's the reason I'm here. If we lost this feature, CGA wouldn't attract nearly as many curious people to it as it would have, we would be losing a great deal of our ability to grow, and I don't think the multipool issue is likely enough to risk this. I think we should still reward 1/diff for non-bonus blocks, but I don't think that it would be wise, especially early on like this, to remove the bonus blocks altogether.

Second: Sorry if this comes off like nitpicking, because I don't know how likely or possible this is, but, looking at the code you posted, if the difficulty is exactly 3, every client on the network is going to run into an exception, which would be disastrous. Just change either "if(diff < 3)" or "else if(diff > 3)" to "if(diff <= 3)" or "else if(diff >= 3)". I only know python (and g-code, if that counts- I used to program CNC machines), so I don't know if C++ just handles this automatically- sorry if it does.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
I'd like to suggest a different block reward system: Instead of reward every x block, reward every block, but devide the reward (1) by the diff. If the diff is less than 3, 3 is taken.

Examples:
Diff = 1
Code:
1/3 = 0.333333333
Block Reward: 0.333333333

Diff = 10
Code:
1/10 = 0.1
Block Reward: 0.100000000

Diff = 200
Code:
1/200 = 0.005
Block Reward: 0.005

This would have some advantages:
  • The rewards wouldn't change at all over time.
  • Every block pays (rewarding long-time-miners).
  • If a multi pool hits the coin, the diff raises within 2 blocks, the multi pool wouldn't be able to mine much coins.

I have decided to do something similar to this:
Code:
   else if(block > ### ) //Update 1.1.2.3
     {
     if(diff < 3)
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / 3 * COIN;           //Every 3rd block makes 1 CGA (just split among 3 blocks)
     }
    
     else if(diff > 3)
     {
     if (remain < 1) //Bonus block
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 * COIN;
     }
     else // Normal blocks are 1/diff
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / diff * COIN;
     }
     }
     }


With this, CGA will come into existence very close to how it has been since the last update. The difference is that instead of getting a full coin in 1 block, the 1 coin is split up among (what would of been) the 0 blocks. I am not sure if I want to keep the "bonus block", it may encourage MP's to take advantage of CGA. My other options are to "reverse" the "bonus block" and make it a 0 block, or just get rid of it all together.

This isn't my final fix. I will be taking out Kimoto's Gravity Well to reduce the risk of an reorg attack, but I have decided to not switch the alog from scrypt. I feel that it will be too big of a change and will only delay the inevitable.

Please let me know what you think.
This is a great idea! I like it! The bonus block gave me headache too, I think removing it will remove one reason for multipools to hit CGA.
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
I only have some WOLF over there at poloniex and I think one of these sundays I'm going to try to trade it out for CGA. I also have figured out who will mine the worthless CGA blocks. I got some of those dualminer scrypt asics. I'll mine the worthless blocks. It will cost a few cents a day.
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
i would suggest everyone take there coin off poloniex until they fix there problems they are having.
I would, if I could.

Snap!
Done, will never trade there again.

I've been unable to even login for about 24 hours now.

Edit: at least I can see the trade history now. Some people are selling way too cheap...
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 526
New CGA contest added in Just An Arcade
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Spray and Pray
I'd like to suggest a different block reward system: Instead of reward every x block, reward every block, but devide the reward (1) by the diff. If the diff is less than 3, 3 is taken.

Examples:
Diff = 1
Code:
1/3 = 0.333333333
Block Reward: 0.333333333

Diff = 10
Code:
1/10 = 0.1
Block Reward: 0.100000000

Diff = 200
Code:
1/200 = 0.005
Block Reward: 0.005

This would have some advantages:
  • The rewards wouldn't change at all over time.
  • Every block pays (rewarding long-time-miners).
  • If a multi pool hits the coin, the diff raises within 2 blocks, the multi pool wouldn't be able to mine much coins.

I have decided to do something similar to this:
Code:
   else if(block > ### ) //Update 1.1.2.3
     {
     if(diff < 3)
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / 3 * COIN;           //Every 3rd block makes 1 CGA (just split among 3 blocks)
     }
    
     else if(diff > 3)
     {
     if (remain < 1) //Bonus block
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 * COIN;
     }
     else // Normal blocks are 1/diff
     {
     nSubsidy = 1 / diff * COIN;
     }
     }
     }


With this, CGA will come into existence very close to how it has been since the last update. The difference is that instead of getting a full coin in 1 block, the 1 coin is split up among (what would of been) the 0 blocks. I am not sure if I want to keep the "bonus block", it may encourage MP's to take advantage of CGA. My other options are to "reverse" the "bonus block" and make it a 0 block, or just get rid of it all together.

This isn't my final fix. I will be taking out Kimoto's Gravity Well to reduce the risk of an reorg attack, but I have decided to not switch the alog from scrypt. I feel that it will be too big of a change and will only delay the inevitable.

Please let me know what you think.
mxq
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Gogogo.  10 votes a day.  Make it happen.  Pretty sure they are launching on Friday, 2/28.

http://www.allcrypt.com/beta/voting.php
newbie
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full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
i would suggest everyone take there coin off poloniex until they fix there problems they are having.
I would, if I could.

Snap!
Done, will never trade there again.
hero member
Activity: 1029
Merit: 712
i would suggest everyone take there coin off poloniex until they fix there problems they are having.
I would, if I could.

Snap!
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
i would suggest everyone take there coin off poloniex until they fix there problems they are having.
I would, if I could.
full member
Activity: 204
Merit: 100
i would suggest everyone take there coin off poloniex until they fix there problems they are having.
mxq
newbie
Activity: 48
Merit: 0
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