Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread - page 134. (Read 479317 times)

No not atall you can see right through him which is why I'm off to the IceDrill thread to see how he's getting on with all his money in IceDrill.

IceDrill - because mining Bitcoin involves drilling into ICE - maybe.

Wow guys are we really still paying attention to this imbecile of an attention seeking trouble maker? Please forget this guy already has has brought up the same old questions (certainly not valid concerns) and wants to see commercially sensitive info released. Want to know why? Because he isn't an ACtM shareholder - by his own admission he has sold all his shares, so he wants the info to see how it will effect his MiceDrill investment.

So the answer to his question is - nothing. He hasn't lost anything because he has no involvement with ACtM - except to spam their thread.
If the question was how much have ACtM shareholders lost the answer is also nil. We are way above IPO prices on both exchanges and the delay has effected all orders not just ours. If blaming ACtM for the Avalon is the new intelligent line of enquirery you have to worry about these people.

Really guys get over this kid, just ignore, a complete waste of space and a plant trying to cause trouble to benefit IceDrill.

----I'm now off to start a similar line of questioning on the IceDrill thread, anyone else with genuine concerns about IceDrill please do the same----

We are all playing into iCEBREAKERS hands here.  He must be laughing his tits off.  Am I the only one who sees this? 

You won't blindly defend a company fair enough but you will make the most ridiculous of demands and ask naive and ill thought out questions.

1) What exactly are you looking for? A figure in FIAT? It is blatantly obvious we have a delay with this supplier. What do you expect ACtM to do about it??? Do you want Ken to come on and say we have X amount of cash tied up with Avalon and no set delivery date? What does that achieve? It's OBVIOUS to everybody that is the case, he can do nothing about it, what is the point in him stating the OBVIOUS? By asking for this you want him to give out commercially sensitive info (cost of our Avalon order) but to settle what question? ACtM have no funding issues that we are aware of so where is your 'problem' about 'lost' revenue coming from? We will not know the theoretical loss in mining revenue from the delay until after the chips are delivered and even then what on earth would be the point in calculating how much we should have/could have/would have made???

2 This has been done TO DEATH. You are NOT getting an official statement on the eASIC deal until eSAIC give the go ahead now GET OVER IT.

3) You got a fair answer and choose to ignore the implications - once eASIC start on it the process will be super quick so comparing it to other competitors in the Tape out stage is like comparing apples and oranges.

4) It isn't done yet is the assumption to make. Do you want to know if it is or isn't done? Well tough lucky buddy that's commercially sensitive info. The less is said about that issue the more advantage we have over the competition. Ken and PR have both said it's in hand, that things are progressing well and we need to be patient and wait for the news - why don't you give that a try?

To save you from anymore misjudgement, my TONE here is one of ANGER and FRUSTRATION and INCREDULITY.

Please have a think before you post another set of demands for answers to commercially sensitive date. Better still why not fire off a similar request for funding and partnership info to Microsoft and see how far you get with the most successful outfit on the planet.

My tone is not worn down or angry, if anything it's "tired" of repeating the same information. I don't cultivate enemies and certainly Icebreaker is not my enemy. I focus on discussing points, not persons.

1) "Lost regarding revenue" was exactly what I addressed. ActM is not receiving revenue from them, same as the rest of Avalon buyers, so the network total didn't also rise from everyone receiving those chips. It's all relative.

3) This is not common knowledge it seems. Anyone that really knows eAsic's process knows that "tape-out" is a non-issue. It does not represent any kind of bottleneck and it's achievement is mostly irrelevant on the overall pipeline. The chip design is not part of their critical path for manufacturing.

2) and 4) are still under NDA, so while you may not like it (understandable) there's really not much more to be said until the light goes green.

His "tone"? He posted an informative response to the offered questions. I'd avoid trying to deduce "tone" from a clear response.

I understood this was part of SteamBoat Batch 1 - or line 25 - but I really am only working from a messy memory there.

This has all come up before and been answered where relevant and possible.

Interestingly, reading threads for other asic offerings you tend to find much the same issues, people arguing, people stirring, and problems with NDAs preventing information release. The moment more news comes out then the same people will continue to stir, it isn't going to stop.

These people are only interested in causing share price changes and problems (across multiple offerings, not just ActM) and are not interested in answers.

The only thing not already covered ad nauseam is Avalon - where IceB worded his question very deliberately to imply Avalon losses. Anything related to Avalon and ActM is complete public knowledge and relates to the original mining operation. Avalon appear to be on the move forwards again but time will tell.

For anyone who is worried about the lack of a press release (etc) at this point, we can only ask for your patience. If you don't want to be patient, please go ahead and sell your shares. I mean that positively - you bought them to make a profit and you can take that profit any time you like. If you bought at the original price, you'll have made a good profit already. If you haven't then read over the posts from PR or Ken himself then make up your own mind.

Those of us on the advisory board would not have agreed to be on it if we weren't convinced of the current direction. We are not 'fans' and this isn't a football match, it's a business.

Finally, I'm not a 'fan' of any asic company, for me this has always been a business decision. All the asic IPOs have risks associated with them, however. All, including ActiveMining, need to prove they can deliver. For me, the association with eASIC is key.

Make up your own minds by reading the facts, don't let anyone muddy your thinking (on either side of the coin). This is real money you're investing.

IceB et al continue to make the same old attacks: http://www.skepdic.com/ticriticalthinking.html

1) Avalons are not "lost", ActM just didn't receive them yet, same as everybody else, so the total network hashrate didn't increase as much as it could have if those chips had all been delivered to every Avalon customer.

2) eAsic's PR will be released as soon as possible ofc

3) ActM doesn't "tape-out" in the conventional IC serial development sense, wafer manufacturing can be started in paralell to chip design, this is one of the key eAsic advantages

4) Why should there be one? Signing a $1M deal is not flipping a switch.

lol labcoin - aka "oldskool asics R us"

yuansuyi is a shill for Labcoin and seems like iCEBREAKER's apprentice anymore. Feel free to ignore them as well.

Please ignore icebreaker's constant stirring.

+1

To be fair I think 20GH chips are a far safer proposition that 400GH chips... the idea of removing 300w+ of heat from a single chip scares me a little. Removing 15-20w on the other hand should be an absolute doddle.

I agree we are all keen for some ActM news - at the moment I'm not sure if chip development has started yet, where a 1 month head state could mean a difference of 25% annual ROI. However I understand there are limitations to what we can be told. I would hope there are some simple answers that can be given without crossing any lines.

I was thinking 'HashFast is suddenly the best horse in the race to 28nm ASICs and DT is a swell guy, so I'll put all my glorious ACTM profits into cheap early ice.drill IPO shares.

My investment (!= speculation) is "working out" very well for me, thanks for asking!  HashFast's partner put out a press release announcing their official relationship, while ACTM just burns cash on inexplicably absent Avalons/NRE fees.

While HashFast's full-custom 400GH chip tapes out, ACTM's semi-custom 20GH chip languishes in limbo.

Vbs may concern troll WRT HashFast's cooling solutions all he likes, but the fact is


How much did we lose on the Avalons?  

Where is eASIC's press release?

Will ACTM ever tape-out?  

Is there a problem with the BTC conversion?

Shareholders deserve real answers, not arranging the ACTM Cheerleader Squad into a human centipede and calling it a "Board."

iCEBREAKER
Chairman Emeritus

Lesson 3: Profit!

Bitcoin investing 101
  Lesson 1:  Never invest in a PMB or buy shares of a mining company that purchases equipment retail.
  Lesson 2:  Always do the exact opposite of whatever iCEBREAKER is trying to manipulate you into doing.
  Lesson 3: ???

Haha what were people thinking.  This thing was never going to pop.

Where did that 7 million wall go?  Oh there it is, half way down the page.  

How's that IceDrill investment working out for you?
https://bitfunder.com/asset/IceDrill.ASIC