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Great post dexX7. I'm sure that there's no conspiracy to deprive anyone of their shares and the delay might be perfectly reasonable considering all that's going on right now.

That said, you simply don't operate this way if you want to improve your credibility with shareholders. Those of you telling Mabsark to sell are missing the point entirely; he can't sell because he doesn't have access to his shares. None of us would be happy in his position.

At some point a decision has to be made. Is ActM going to continue to be run like a Mickey Mouse operation or is someone going to step up and follow through on their promises? Those of us with substantial funds invested should be promoting the latter.

With respect  you are expecting too much. You have invested in a fledgling business in a newly emerging market that is at its busiest stage implementing crucial contracts and setting up unique one-off infrastructure for future development. And there has been a delay of a few days in a processing proceedure. Get some perspective.

I have the perspective of a realistic investor with several hundred BTC at stake, though perhaps not the perspective of a fanboy.

Your arguments prove my point exactly. Due to the extremely risky nature of the investment, and the company's history of missteps, the only thing most investors have to go on is credibility. Therefore, caution should be exercised when making public commitments to do this or that, because when you are incapable of sticking to your own self imposed deadlines for mere trivialities, it erodes confidence in the enterprise overall.

You can continue to argue for your particular version of reality, but outside of your bubble, these repeated, self imposed PR problems needlessly create doubt about the competency of management. This is elementary human psychology, and it will cost investors money if it is not addressed.

For a start a few hundread btc means nothing, you could have bought them sub 1USD so I've no idea what your risk is, don't particularly care, and regardless no matter how big your investment is  it gives your opinions no less and no more relevancy.

Second, and this is makes your point worthless, investor confidence has no bearing anymore. The IPO has come and gone. Ken is now working with the funds, he got the backing when he needed it because of his groundwork and achievable plans. You seem to fail to understand there are no more shares to sell and share price has no bearing on the current day to day workings of the company. Ken could come on here drunk and tell everyone to piss off - it wouldn't affect the future profitability of the company. Sure share price might dip a little but once the divs start pouring in...well.

So in essence fuck PR. Ken is a real dude not an ass licker. He has almost set up the biggest most profitable btc mining company in the world. That's all I need to know. If he is so busy that processing shares has to be put back a few days that to me is a seriously great sign. If he was sat around doing nothing all day then I would be worried.
legendary
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I was buying AMC stock before you were even a member on this forum. I remember very well Ken's antics back then as the first shares I bought cost around 0.0009 and 5 hours later Ken had undercut the market selling at 0.0005. Sucked at first but I realised what was going on, adapted and ending up making a nice profit.
Ken wanted to sell at market but was forced to sell for .0005 by Ukyo. Why do you people keep spouting this nonsense?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2333815

Actually this is what happened.

People were buying shares at greater than 0.0005 BTC and every now and again Ken would come in and put a batch up for sale at 0.0005 BTC. Those share sold out and people were once again buying at the market rate which was sup to 0.0009 BTC. This happened quite a few times and people became aware of what was going on and complained about it to Ukyo. That's when Ukyo stepped in and forced Ken to put the remaining shares in the batch up at 0.0005 BTC.

Like I said, I was there at the time and made a nice profit from it. Both Ken and Ukyo can confirm that's the case and so can anyone else who was actually buying AMC at the time.

Now I truly am leaving, I don't care what anyone says, if I need to put you straight I will do so tomorrow.
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So you think you need to be a registered member of this forum before you can buy ACM/ACtM? lol You are beyond stupid. Get back to your college work kid its more important than this. You are not mature enough yet to  partake in this grown up world and the way you carry on you should definitely base your future on getting a proper job rather than pretending you can do well speculating for your cash. Just a little tip.
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Great post dexX7. I'm sure that there's no conspiracy to deprive anyone of their shares and the delay might be perfectly reasonable considering all that's going on right now.

That said, you simply don't operate this way if you want to improve your credibility with shareholders. Those of you telling Mabsark to sell are missing the point entirely; he can't sell because he doesn't have access to his shares. None of us would be happy in his position.

At some point a decision has to be made. Is ActM going to continue to be run like a Mickey Mouse operation or is someone going to step up and follow through on their promises? Those of us with substantial funds invested should be promoting the latter.

With respect  you are expecting too much. You have invested in a fledgling business in a newly emerging market that is at its busiest stage implementing crucial contracts and setting up unique one-off infrastructure for future development. And there has been a delay of a few days in a processing proceedure. Get some perspective.

I have the perspective of a realistic investor with several hundred BTC at stake, though perhaps not the perspective of a fanboy.

Your arguments prove my point exactly. Due to the extremely risky nature of the investment, and the company's history of missteps, the only thing most investors have to go on is credibility. Therefore, caution should be exercised when making public commitments to do this or that, because when you are incapable of sticking to your own self imposed deadlines for mere trivialities, it erodes confidence in the enterprise overall.

You can continue to argue for your particular version of reality, but outside of your bubble, these repeated, self imposed PR problems needlessly create doubt about the competency of management. This is elementary human psychology, and it will cost investors money if it is not addressed.
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Are You Shpongled?
I was buying AMC stock before you were even a member on this forum. I remember very well Ken's antics back then as the first shares I bought cost around 0.0009 and 5 hours later Ken had undercut the market selling at 0.0005. Sucked at first but I realised what was going on, adapted and ending up making a nice profit.
Ken wanted to sell at market but was forced to sell for .0005 by Ukyo. Why do you people keep spouting this nonsense?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2333815
legendary
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Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!

Pathetic amateur speculator who doesn't give a shit about Active Mining just wants a quick turn around and would be happy to see ACtM fail so long as he gets his poxy 15btc back.

Please, when you get your shares  sold don't fuckin reinvest in crypto-currencies, fuck off to the NASDAQ and enjoy your safe 3% per year. Looser.

I just had to break my work and respond to this.

I was buying AMC stock before you were even a member on this forum. I remember very well Ken's antics back then as the first shares I bought cost around 0.0009 and 5 hours later Ken had undercut the market selling at 0.0005. Sucked at first but I realised what was going on, adapted and ending up making a nice profit.



If anyone is tying to just make a quick profit and doesn't give a shit if ActM succeeds or not, it's you guys with very few posts who don't care how the CEO of the company acts.

Now I really am going.
legendary
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Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!

Pathetic amateur speculator who doesn't give a shit about Active Mining just wants a quick turn around and would be happy to see ACtM fail so long as he gets his poxy 15btc back.

Please, when you get your shares  sold don't fuckin reinvest in crypto-currencies, fuck off to the NASDAQ and enjoy your safe 3% per year. Looser.

Lol the epic spelling fail reminded me of this.. just for chuckles.
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Great post dexX7. I'm sure that there's no conspiracy to deprive anyone of their shares and the delay might be perfectly reasonable considering all that's going on right now.

That said, you simply don't operate this way if you want to improve your credibility with shareholders. Those of you telling Mabsark to sell are missing the point entirely; he can't sell because he doesn't have access to his shares. None of us would be happy in his position.

At some point a decision has to be made. Is ActM going to continue to be run like a Mickey Mouse operation or is someone going to step up and follow through on their promises? Those of us with substantial funds invested should be promoting the latter.

With respect  you are expecting too much. You have invested in a fledgling business in a newly emerging market that is at its busiest stage implementing crucial contracts and setting up unique one-off infrastructure for future development. And there has been a delay of a few days in a processing proceedure. Get some perspective.
sr. member
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Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!

Pathetic amateur speculator who doesn't give a shit about Active Mining just wants a quick turn around and would be happy to see ACtM fail so long as he gets his poxy 15btc back.

Please, when you get your shares  sold don't fuckin reinvest in crypto-currencies, fuck off to the NASDAQ and enjoy your safe 3% per year. Looser.
sr. member
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Great post dexX7. I'm sure that there's no conspiracy to deprive anyone of their shares and the delay might be perfectly reasonable considering all that's going on right now.

That said, you simply don't operate this way if you want to improve your credibility with shareholders. Those of you telling Mabsark to sell are missing the point entirely; he can't sell because he doesn't have access to his shares. None of us would be happy in his position.

At some point a decision has to be made. Is ActM going to continue to be run like a Mickey Mouse operation or is someone going to step up and follow through on their promises? Those of us with substantial funds invested should be promoting the latter.
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I'm shocked that everyone drags this down to a very personal level. This is worse than the LAB IPO thread.

Mabsark, you're included. A lie is defined as a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. I totally get your point like stated above, but I do not think that his beviour is intentionally malicious and exaggerated statements only fuel the fire.

VE, remember how shit went down when Ken set up the second wall without a prior announcement? Everyone freaked out for a pretty good reason. Now those delays seem very minor in comparison, but the inner essence remains the same. Just imagine your stack would end up in tender-limbo. That would suck, wouldn't it? I know you would call Ken and talk things out, but that's your way to deal with it. Please don't get me wrong, this is not an attack, but an appeal for more emphathy - even if it seems negatable.

I'm playing devil's advocate now and point out a worst case scenario and the consequences of this discussion: we esentially don't know how many shares are stuck in tender, do we? And rageing at everyone who points out an issue will only result in less people raising their voice. I really don't think this is the case, but I want to make sure that everyone understands where this could lead to.

I advise both sides to take a step back. We all have the same goal here and should work together to accomplish this.

+1

I've shares in limbo too ...

Do you fancy having a multiple page rant about it?
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I'm shocked that everyone drags this down to a very personal level. This is worse than the LAB IPO thread.

Mabsark, you're included. A lie is defined as a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. I totally get your point like stated above, but I do not think that his beviour is intentionally malicious and exaggerated statements only fuel the fire.

VE, remember how shit went down when Ken set up the second wall without a prior announcement? Everyone freaked out for a pretty good reason. Now those delays seem very minor in comparison, but the inner essence remains the same. Just imagine your stack would end up in tender-limbo. That would suck, wouldn't it? I know you would call Ken and talk things out, but that's your way to deal with it. Please don't get me wrong, this is not an attack, but an appeal for more emphathy - even if it seems negatable.

I'm playing devil's advocate now and point out a worst case scenario and the consequences of this discussion: we esentially don't know how many shares are stuck in tender, do we? And rageing at everyone who points out an issue will only result in less people raising their voice. I really don't think this is the case, but I want to make sure that everyone understands where this could lead to.

I advise both sides to take a step back. We all have the same goal here and should work together to accomplish this.

+1

I've shares in limbo too ...
legendary
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I'm shocked that everyone drags this down to a very personal level. This is worse than the LAB IPO thread.

Mabsark, you're included. A lie is defined as a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. I totally get your point like stated above, but I do not think that his beviour is intentionally malicious and exaggerated statements only fuel the fire.

VE, remember how shit went down when Ken set up the second wall without a prior announcement? Everyone freaked out for a pretty good reason. Now those delays seem very minor in comparison, but the inner essence remains the same. Just imagine your stack would end up in tender-limbo. That would suck, wouldn't it? I know you would call Ken and talk things out, but that's your way to deal with it. Please don't get me wrong, this is not an attack, but an appeal for more emphathy - even if it seems negatable.

I'm playing devil's advocate now and point out a worst case scenario and the consequences of this discussion: we esentially don't know how many shares are stuck in tender, do we? And rageing at everyone who points out an issue will only result in less people raising their voice. I really don't think this is the case, but I want to make sure that everyone understands where this could lead to.

I advise both sides to take a step back. We all have the same goal here and should work together to accomplish this. Wink
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tell me about it.. he's my first ignore lol never though i'll use that button actually... its a shame that i am still being notified when he posts
legendary
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103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
Postponing something is not the same as lying.  We actually want him to postpone minor things like that so that he can take care of what's important.  So again, we don't care.  You are wasting a lot of effort trying to convince us to care.

No, postponing something is not the same as telling lies. Saying you will do something when you know you can't possibly do it because you will be too busy doing something else is telling lies though.

How could Ken have possibly transferred the shares end of business day Friday if he knew he would be away on business, wouldn't be able to access the account and was scheduled to arrive back home after the end of business day Friday? He couldn't. Therefore, what he said was a lie.

And what exactly would be his motivation for these lies against you? You bring a smile to my face, Maby-boy.



These lies are not against me. This is not some conspiracy against me. I've no idea why he is telling these lies. Perhaps he's a pathological liar. Perhaps he's sold the shares? Perhaps he wanted to stop people from selling their shares and reinvesting in the competition?

How the fuck am I supposed to know. I can't read minds.

The schedule was to fly back home on Thursday; however, we had to extend the trip 1 extra day at the engineers.

Wowwww! Turns out Ken's not a liar and Mabsark is an imbecile, big surprise!

Wednesday: no shares.
Friday: no shares.
Saturday: no pictures, no report and no shares as of yet.



If your not happy go sell all your shit and fuck off, all you do is complain like a little 5 year old.

legendary
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Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!
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Couldn't resist it anymore!! this Mabsark guy is just doesn't go away. it's getting very aonnying.

legendary
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Mabsark, you've made it very clear what your feelings are and that you're very childish. So childish, in fact, that you claim you don't even have a phone - or is that don't want to make a phone call for some reason, eh?

The rest of us are asking ourselves why you're here at all? Make a profit using whatever shares you want, but please allow this thread to be useful and PM Ken your issues directly or don't deal in his shares.

The rest of us are sick of this thread being hijacked by you.

You're sick of having this thread hijacked? Some of us are sick of having our shares hijacked! I think our concerns greatly outweigh yours and this is the appropriate venue to air them.
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You are confusing lying with changes of schedule due to unforseen circumstances, now fuck off.
legendary
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Postponing something is not the same as lying.  We actually want him to postpone minor things like that so that he can take care of what's important.  So again, we don't care.  You are wasting a lot of effort trying to convince us to care.

No, postponing something is not the same as telling lies. Saying you will do something when you know you can't possibly do it because you will be too busy doing something else is telling lies though.

How could Ken have possibly transferred the shares end of business day Friday if he knew he would be away on business, wouldn't be able to access the account and was scheduled to arrive back home after the end of business day Friday? He couldn't. Therefore, what he said was a lie.

And what exactly would be his motivation for these lies against you? You bring a smile to my face, Maby-boy.



These lies are not against me. This is not some conspiracy against me. I've no idea why he is telling these lies. Perhaps he's a pathological liar. Perhaps he's sold the shares? Perhaps he wanted to stop people from selling their shares and reinvesting in the competition?

How the fuck am I supposed to know. I can't read minds.

The schedule was to fly back home on Thursday; however, we had to extend the trip 1 extra day at the engineers.

Wowwww! Turns out Ken's not a liar and Mabsark is an imbecile, big surprise!

Wednesday: no shares.
Friday: no shares.
Saturday: no pictures, no report and no shares as of yet.

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