Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 439. (Read 771302 times)
October 23, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
This is a very thin market so these price moves on a few dozen btc are inconsequential. You are right ofcourse, a bit of excellent news and we are back where we should be but this is about the divs for me so 0.001 or 0.007 I'm holding till the end. The more shares you hold the more divs you will get. Simples. This is still an excellent risk/reward proposition for long term div payout. But be sensible and only risk what you can afford to lose. Personally I'm fully loaded and really looking forward to the next few weeks. I mean with btc on a dramatic rise how exciting is this right now?
October 23, 2013, 02:13:31 PM
Thanks. There is also bitmine.ch.
Bitmine.ch, the site that's somehow uglier than activeminingcorp.com.
I think the two relevant factors here are $/Gh and ship date.
Edit: Oooh. They've updated the site. Still nasty, but less random. And they now offer hosting options... hmmm...
October 23, 2013, 02:10:55 PM
Thanks. There is also bitmine.ch.
October 23, 2013, 02:03:44 PM
If you keep your investors successful and happy, then you will be successful and happy! When the tough gets going, start spewing off more old cheesy phrases like you're making 80's commercials.
And remember, patience is a virtue! So please guys, keep investing, and keep on truckin'. Activemining - it's so active, you're going to lose your socks!
..MENTOS...
And remember, patience is a virtue! So please guys, keep investing, and keep on truckin'. Activemining - it's so active, you're going to lose your socks!
..MENTOS...
you're such a ReactiveMiner.
October 23, 2013, 01:58:35 PM
Only 45,000 shares to take it to 0.001 btc per share on Bitfunder.
Goes to show that on good news the price will recover rapidly.
Goes to show that on good news the price will recover rapidly.
October 23, 2013, 01:57:21 PM
ActM is probably going to be only third on the 28nm market
Sorry for my lack of research, but who is #2? (assuming KnC is #1)
fpga copy 28 nm:
KnC
ActiveMining
fully-custom 28 nm:
BFL (not sure if custom, but specs look like it is)
HashFast
Cointerra
If it's not the second, it's going to be bad.
Not entirely sure this is accruate
Structured Design:
ActiveMining
Standard-Cell Design
KnC
Full-Custom
Bitfury
HashFast
Cointerra
BFL Falls in either Standard-Cell or Full-Custom
October 23, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
ActM is probably going to be only third on the 28nm market
Sorry for my lack of research, but who is #2? (assuming KnC is #1)
Im assuming they will still be behind hashfast too, despite their delay. Even if not, the bulk of the orders has probably already happened anyway, especially at the high initial premium prices, and ActM would have been perceived as being third.
October 23, 2013, 01:55:38 PM
If you keep your investors successful and happy, then you will be successful and happy! When the tough gets going, start spewing off more old cheesy phrases like you're making 80's commercials.
And remember, patience is a virtue! So please guys, keep investing, and keep on truckin'. Activemining - it's so active, you're going to lose your socks!
..MENTOS...
And remember, patience is a virtue! So please guys, keep investing, and keep on truckin'. Activemining - it's so active, you're going to lose your socks!
..MENTOS...
October 23, 2013, 01:33:21 PM
seriously, has anyone heard from Ken the last few days?
seriously what's your problem? if you want a chat with him call his number or send him a pm. I'm guessing you can use a phone but if not ask your mum to show you.
October 23, 2013, 01:30:07 PM
ActM is probably going to be only third on the 28nm market
Sorry for my lack of research, but who is #2? (assuming KnC is #1)
October 23, 2013, 01:27:54 PM
https://hashfast.com/?p=2445&preview=true
Bad news for the competition, good news for ActM. Looking forward to seeing updates from Ken soon!
Bad news for the competition, good news for ActM. Looking forward to seeing updates from Ken soon!
So bALLBREAKER has to wait for his machines. Oh well, you win some you lose some.
October 23, 2013, 01:22:14 PM
seriously, has anyone heard from Ken the last few days?
October 23, 2013, 01:13:07 PM
Time to Market isn't lost quite yet, I believe the real value comes in when they want more Wafers made after they have a working miner. eASIC has "Fab Time" allocated to them and again because their wafers are prepped somewhat this time should be significantly less than other companies for additional wafers.
Yes turnaround is a lot faster, but honestly, if the other vendors are bottlenecked because they didnt get enough wafers, they are beyond stupid for not having ordered a ton more. They cost next to nothing compared to their resale value, better to order too many than too few. You can always sell the chips separately if needed, and its not likely you wouldnt be able to sell them above manufacturing cost.
My point however, is that despite the shorter development cycle of a structured asic, ActM is probably going to be only third on the 28nm market, and quite far behind in preorders. This approach would have absolutely perfect to beat all the others to market, and being first, the negatives of worse power consumption and higher unit cost would have been mostly irrelevant.
October 23, 2013, 01:02:18 PM
https://hashfast.com/?p=2445&preview=true
Bad news for the competition, good news for ActM. Looking forward to seeing updates from Ken soon!
Bad news for the competition, good news for ActM. Looking forward to seeing updates from Ken soon!
October 23, 2013, 12:57:58 PM
Oh, goodness! Where did that bid wall go? Down to .0005 already? And what's below? NOTHING? Seems like a god time to double down 
October 23, 2013, 12:40:06 PM
So Ken, what does "Lot of things" entail? It doesn't look like a lot has happened at all in the last few weeks other than a severe mutilation of share price.
Well the Advisory Board resigned enmass, btc-tc shut down, BF has barred US investors, the SEC has been sending cease and desist letters around, oh and Ken took the mine pic down from the VMC website. That to me is a lot of things. What more do you want?
lol to the Troll.
I'm PRETTY SURE we were ALL thinking "Lot of things" mean progress with the company, rather than the hell exploding around us..
I'm starting to think you're Ken behind a fake account, who else would stand up for something like that with such backward common sense?
when the tough get going... the tough, uh... get going.
...heard that somewhere.
October 23, 2013, 12:38:49 PM
how about we 1st pretend that ACtM makes miners.
Yeah good one, but I deliberately said 'makes miners' rather than 'plans to' because I think the first VMC miner is already alive. It might not be for sale or have our eASIC chip inside it yet but that's why it's a prototype.
i think and i feel and i want and i need and i believe and i trust and i hope and i dream... i do hope for your sake all of your energy isnt for naught. as mad as i was at 1st that bitfunder closed down to the US, i am happy to not have to think/feel/want/need/believe/trust/hope/dream that ACtM will deliver as promised.
*edit - added hope and dream to the list of verbs above
Yeah because what this thread really needs is another pseudo-genius FUDing troll... ignored.
October 23, 2013, 12:23:31 PM
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But in the Bitcoin world eASIC is perfect because we only need a short lifespan of the Chips to pay for the NRE + more even if they are inefficient.
Again, I agree and always did say its a sensible approach, although the advantage of fast time to market is basically lost by now, and I worry about the power consumption handicap. Time will tell.
Time to Market isn't lost quite yet, I believe the real value comes in when they want more Wafers made after they have a working miner. eASIC has "Fab Time" allocated to them and again because their wafers are prepped somewhat this time should be significantly less than other companies for additional wafers.
This is the advantage of eASIC, if this doesn't exist/isn't realistic then I agree that it would be unwise to use eASIC
October 23, 2013, 12:06:15 PM
I think you are overpricing 28nm maskset, Physical Design + Full MaskSet + First Batch Wafers would cost $3-$5M total on a Full Custom 28nm
Full custom or standard cell asic wont change a thing about the maskset price. The "first batch wafer cost", we can safely ignore in this context, at $4000 per wafer, thats noise. As for the design, well, for a bitcoin asic that shouldnt cost more than $100k either. So Id say we are in agreement on the cost of the mask set.
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Like I said, this isn't full custom. This is an FPGA Port and is much easier to do the Physical Design, many less Layers, and the Wafers cost a little more because they are all primed and ready with the basic layers needed to speed up fabrication. (You are effectively paying a premium for speed)
Yes, but you said NRE of this was higher and then mentioned it cost $1M. The reality is the opposite, if your $1M is correct (and it certainly sounds plausible to me), its a considerably lower NRE than a traditional asic.
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But in the Bitcoin world eASIC is perfect because we only need a short lifespan of the Chips to pay for the NRE + more even if they are inefficient.
Again, I agree and always did say its a sensible approach, although the advantage of fast time to market is basically lost by now, and I worry about the power consumption handicap. Time will tell.
October 23, 2013, 12:00:56 PM
And if it went off line confidence would take a knock. Do you think with how secretive Ken has been that he would openly test a prototype? Wouldn't happen.
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