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It took a matter of months for Bitcoin mining to go from 110nm to 28nm, because bitcoin mining technology wasn't "caught up" with common processing densities.

Now that we are at 28nm, expect things to slow down quite a bit,

Look... Intel won't even have 10nm until 2018.

http://www.techpowerup.com/149680/intel-aims-at-10-nm-processors-by-2018.html

The difference between 110nm to 28nm is insane... but as we decrease below 28nm we really slow down.

 110nm to 28nm is 4x difference.  14nm from 28nm is only half... You can't expect a linear drop all the way down to 1nm   Cheesy  If you expect the rate of this technology to stay the same, you're insane.

Wading back on topic, ACTM investors should be worried about competitors such as HashFast releasing 16nm FinFet chips in early 2014, instead of counting how many 10nm angles may dance on a 14nm pin.

Is icedrill going to be an end customer of those chips too?  Hashfast must be making a crazy markup.. I'm guessing 200%?  No wonder theres a "mining protection" plan, the pricing is absurd.
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hmm
interesting to see the discourse with the advisory committee.
i believe they are right and ken should have done things a bit differently.

i have an idea how hash fast and cointerra were able to get ahead of this race.
they had ONE very simple product. they focused on it. what it will do what the specs will be and gave an exact date of estimated delivery before ken would commit.
ken's use of NDA NDA NDA actually really hurt him. he should have been forthcoming about the actual development, the full timeline, the specs, and pushed one product through instead of diversifying into many. the way that bitfury did in a way with their stater kit and h-board add ons.

keep it simple stupid -

anyways... ken can help his company out by releasing important information. who cares if the competition knows by now.
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
It took a matter of months for Bitcoin mining to go from 110nm to 28nm, because bitcoin mining technology wasn't "caught up" with common processing densities.

Now that we are at 28nm, expect things to slow down quite a bit,

Look... Intel won't even have 10nm until 2018.

http://www.techpowerup.com/149680/intel-aims-at-10-nm-processors-by-2018.html

The difference between 110nm to 28nm is insane... but as we decrease below 28nm we really slow down.

 110nm to 28nm is 4x difference.  14nm from 28nm is only half... You can't expect a linear drop all the way down to 1nm   Cheesy  If you expect the rate of this technology to stay the same, you're insane.

Wading back on topic, ACTM investors should be worried about competitors such as HashFast releasing 16nm FinFet chips in early 2014, instead of counting how many 10nm angles may dance on a 14nm pin.
legendary
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Some of you are letting the incompetence/paranoia of Labcoin seep into Active Mining. Fundamentals are way stronger here.
sr. member
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It took a matter of months for Bitcoin mining to go from 110nm to 28nm, because bitcoin mining technology wasn't "caught up" with common processing densities.

Now that we are at 28nm, expect things to slow down quite a bit,

Look... Intel won't even have 10nm until 2018.

http://www.techpowerup.com/149680/intel-aims-at-10-nm-processors-by-2018.html

The difference between 110nm to 28nm is insane... but as we decrease below 28nm we really slow down.

 110nm to 28nm is 4x difference.  14nm from 28nm is only half... You can't expect a linear drop all the way down to 1nm   Cheesy  If you expect the rate of this technology advancement to stay the same, you're insane.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
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The smaller we go, the more difficult it is to accurately deposit the metals and control the reactions in the chambers, hence there are issues with the chips gates and patterns

Have no fear, uncertainty, or doubt my dear VE, because that quote is from an old 2009 article about sub 1nm chips.

Intel has been cranking out millions of chips at 22nm since 2011.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-22nm-technology.html

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Intel launches 22nm Ivy Bridge processors: here's what you need to know

By Sean Hollister on April 23, 2012

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/23/2967686/intel-launches-22nm-ivy-bridge-processors



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Ken, what is the estimated AMC hashing power for november/december?
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Its getting harder and harder to make faster mining rigs, i cant see 28nm asics fading out anytime soon.

Because your premise is only true for some companies (and not true for others), your conclusion may be short-sighted.

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The firm is already well into development for its second-generation chip, which uses a FinFet design. FinFet uses 3D structures, in which the microscopic transistors on the chip rise above the planar substrate on the chip. This gives them more volume than a traditional transistor gate, which enables them to conduct electricity more effectively, reducing the necessary voltage and increasing switching performance. The result is a faster, lower-power chip.

“It’s the most aggressive design available in our time schedules,” said Barber, who believes he’ll be taping out this chip in the fourth quarter. He wouldn’t say what process node the design used, but CoinDesk notes that last year, TMSC announced plans for a 16 nm FinFet capability in early 2014.

http://www.coindesk.com/hashfast-tapes-out-400-ghsec-28-nm-mining-chip/

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The smaller we go, the more difficult it is to accurately deposit the metals and control the reactions in the chambers, hence there are issues with the chips gates and patterns
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Its getting harder and harder to make faster mining rigs, i cant see 28nm asics fading out anytime soon.

Because your premise is only true for some companies (and not true for others), your conclusion may be short-sighted.

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The firm is already well into development for its second-generation chip, which uses a FinFet design. FinFet uses 3D structures, in which the microscopic transistors on the chip rise above the planar substrate on the chip. This gives them more volume than a traditional transistor gate, which enables them to conduct electricity more effectively, reducing the necessary voltage and increasing switching performance. The result is a faster, lower-power chip.

“It’s the most aggressive design available in our time schedules,” said Barber, who believes he’ll be taping out this chip in the fourth quarter. He wouldn’t say what process node the design used, but CoinDesk notes that last year, TMSC announced plans for a 16 nm FinFet capability in early 2014.

http://www.coindesk.com/hashfast-tapes-out-400-ghsec-28-nm-mining-chip/
legendary
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Touchdown
i disagree with your prediction of the chip technology.  Its getting harder and harder to make faster mining rigs, i cant see 28nm asics fading out anytime soon.
A rare glimpse of sanity in the securities forum.
sr. member
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Agreed. Like it or not, this is long term proposition. Months, not days!

in few months those chips will be worthless

then he will bankrupt and liquidate all assets

this ponzi sheme with 0.0005 IPO price filpped by whales is not funny anymore

people wake up!

yeah cheap shares Smiley

i disagree with your prediction of the chip technology.  Its getting harder and harder to make faster mining rigs, i cant see 28nm asics fading out anytime soon.
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cryptoshark
Agreed. Like it or not, this is long term proposition. Months, not days!

in few months those chips will be worthless

then he will bankrupt and liquidate all assets

this ponzi sheme with 0.0005 IPO price filpped by whales is not funny anymore

people wake up!

yeah cheap shares Smiley
legendary
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Agreed. Like it or not, this is long term proposition. Months, not days!

agreed, short term theres no telling where this could go though
legendary
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Touchdown
Agreed. Like it or not, this is long term proposition. Months, not days!
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Are You Shpongled?
If the company is successful, acquiring a decent chunk of the network hashrate and some hardware sales (these will inevitably increase if we can deliver without preorders), and pays nice dividends then people will hold or want to buy. I am confident Ken will return the IPO price within a year, but am much more hopeful than that. 
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decentralize EVERYTHING...

At this point it feels like even IF the stock price goes back up, it will just drop again because anyone left (including me) will clamber to get the fuck out at break even at best.
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cryptoshark

so... as far as I can tell... the PONZI or whatever this fuck this is, is done.

It's not a ponzi - there is no way eASIC would issue a press release and not follow through, especially on their brand spanker flagship 28nm product.

Well if it's not a ponzi, then let's call it something else.
All I can see is Ken or VE or the rest of the "brave" deserters have taken my money and as nut/crumbs/breaker has said, I'm holding an empty bag.

eASIC or not, if this thing is collapsing because of incompetence or whatever, all I feel is massively burned

do your homework
read and visit
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/amc-the-official-active-mining-cooperative-discussion-158806

that was funny.

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all his job was to get money from you send to easic
and create miners

nice salary few millions usd
shrinked to 0 now.

and you all know why.

sr. member
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so... as far as I can tell... the PONZI or whatever this fuck this is, is done.

It's not a ponzi - there is no way eASIC would issue a press release and not follow through, especially on their brand spanker flagship 28nm product.

Well if it's not a ponzi, then let's call it something else.
All I can see is Ken or VE or the rest of the "brave" deserters have taken my money and as nut/crumbs/breaker has said, I'm holding an empty bag.

eASIC or not, if this thing is collapsing because of incompetence or whatever, all I feel is massively burned

anyone who sold for less than IPO did not take your money..

Ken took our money, because the shares were originally bought from him
hero member
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decentralize EVERYTHING...

so... as far as I can tell... the PONZI or whatever this fuck this is, is done.

It's not a ponzi - there is no way eASIC would issue a press release and not follow through, especially on their brand spanker flagship 28nm product.

Well if it's not a ponzi, then let's call it something else.
All I can see is Ken or VE or the rest of the "brave" deserters have taken my money and as nut/crumbs/breaker has said, I'm holding an empty bag.

eASIC or not, if this thing is collapsing because of incompetence or whatever, all I feel is massively burned
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250

so... as far as I can tell... the PONZI or whatever this fuck this is, is done.

It's not a ponzi - there is no way eASIC would issue a press release and not follow through, especially on their brand spanker flagship 28nm product.

eASIC is great.  The chip is great.  And the chip will be in Kens hands.  However, Ken is the disease of the operation.  His attitude stinks, he doesn't have a clue how to interact with people. He is the bottleneck.

eASIC = awesome
28nm chips = wow
ken = old, insane, ignorant, the list goes on

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