Exactly right. The nm figure has been misunderstood by the entire investing community. There is no guarantee that a smaller die size is reflected in a more efficient chip. 20nm (KnC Neptune) in my view is a step too far and it's cost of production will not be justified by it's meagre if any improvements over top-spec 28nm.
Again, there is nothing more in friedcats release than in Ken's from last week (plus his posts) except I/O standard (as investors do we need to know that!) and a price point that has a variability of 100%.
Now some people may think a theorhetical chip that hasn't been taped out with a cost per chip prediction that ranges by 100% from a proposer who does not have the funds available to produce that chip is hard news but I would wonder at their sanity.
When he's selling the chip in bulk, selling 10TH/s mining rigs (55nm chip only) with it and running a substantial farm with his chip maybe we can pay him due respect as a competitor. Till then we just get on with our own projects.
Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 71. (Read 771512 times)
January 29, 2014, 09:42:20 AM
January 29, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
1) What will be reveal today in the weekly PR posting?
2) Will the CEO of Active Mining say that trading will begin?
3) Will the CEO of Active Mining say that there are new delays for trading to begin?
2) Will the CEO of Active Mining say that trading will begin?
3) Will the CEO of Active Mining say that there are new delays for trading to begin?
January 29, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
Some hard news 4 Bob:
As promises go, I like friedcat's better.
...
Specification
Process node: 40nm
Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
...
Price range
0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
...
Specification
Process node: 40nm
Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
...
Price range
0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
...
As promises go, I like friedcat's better.
0.2w/GH at 40nm... wow... let's hope Ken can get proportionally efficient chips at 28nm... 0.1w/gh should be possible if friedcat can get 0.2w/gh on a 40nm
It doesn't work like that. Bitfury's 55nm chips aren't half as efficient as today's 28nm chips. They're *more* power-efficient
January 29, 2014, 09:21:19 AM
Some hard news 4 Bob:
As promises go, I like friedcat's better.
...
Specification
Process node: 40nm
Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
...
Price range
0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
...
Specification
Process node: 40nm
Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
...
Price range
0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
...
As promises go, I like friedcat's better.
0.2w/GH at 40nm... wow... let's hope Ken can get proportionally efficient chips at 28nm... 0.1w/gh should be possible if friedcat can get 0.2w/gh on a 40nm
January 29, 2014, 09:08:57 AM
re: friedcat 40nm
Thats not hard news - far from it. The opening disclaimer says specs and cost and delivery dates are subject to change. In other words this is a theorhetical chip. It hasn't been taped out and he has no funding to have is produced.
Keep bringing us the 'hard news'. lol Its far less substantial than Kens release from last week but lets ignore that shall we?
Thats not hard news - far from it. The opening disclaimer says specs and cost and delivery dates are subject to change. In other words this is a theorhetical chip. It hasn't been taped out and he has no funding to have is produced.
Keep bringing us the 'hard news'. lol Its far less substantial than Kens release from last week but lets ignore that shall we?
So many misinformed posts ITT in general, as a reminder take everything with a grain of salt:
Bitfountain (ASICMiner and its employees) is one of the largest BTC holders in the world. AND has been holding back the majority of dividends for months.. they have funding
They have also already shipped multiple PH of miners so i wouldn't take their projections too lightly
January 29, 2014, 09:05:17 AM
re: friedcat 40nm
Thats not hard news - far from it. The opening disclaimer says specs and cost and delivery dates are subject to change. In other words this is a theorhetical chip. It hasn't been taped out and he has no funding to have is produced.
Keep bringing up the 'hard news'. lol Its far less substantial than Kens release from last week but lets ignore that shall we?
Thats not hard news - far from it. The opening disclaimer says specs and cost and delivery dates are subject to change. In other words this is a theorhetical chip. It hasn't been taped out and he has no funding to have is produced.
Keep bringing up the 'hard news'. lol Its far less substantial than Kens release from last week but lets ignore that shall we?
Compared to the promises made by Ken, friedcat at least bothers to spice his with numbers & stuff, so his shareholders don't have to constantly pick their sphincters for numbers to plug into their smartiferous maths.
As i said in my post, "As far as promises go, I like Friedcat's better."
The only thing you know about Ken's "theoretical chips" is the ones he has promised you in the past never materialized
Happy trading!
January 29, 2014, 08:59:12 AM
re: friedcat 40nm
Thats not hard news - far from it. The opening disclaimer says specs and cost and delivery dates are subject to change. In other words this is a theorhetical chip. It hasn't been taped out and he has no funding to have is produced.
Keep bringing us the 'hard news'. lol Its far less substantial than Kens release from last week but lets ignore that shall we?
Thats not hard news - far from it. The opening disclaimer says specs and cost and delivery dates are subject to change. In other words this is a theorhetical chip. It hasn't been taped out and he has no funding to have is produced.
Keep bringing us the 'hard news'. lol Its far less substantial than Kens release from last week but lets ignore that shall we?
January 29, 2014, 08:47:06 AM
Some hard news 4 Bob:
As promises go, I like friedcat's better.
...
Specification
Process node: 40nm
Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
...
Price range
0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
...
Specification
Process node: 40nm
Package type: QFN64 8mmx8mm (with another option of QFN64 7mmx7mm possible)
I/O: Standard SPI protocol with clk, in, out and cs.
Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options
Rated Voltage: 0.72V, recommended voltage range is 0.55V-1V
Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage
...
Price range
0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice.
...
As promises go, I like friedcat's better.
January 29, 2014, 08:05:39 AM
Any chance for real news? News, that actually matter? I guess not.
I guess this thread as become as useless as 2 previous Actm Threads.
January 29, 2014, 04:31:52 AM
January 29, 2014, 01:32:18 AM
Here is how a company developing a product should describe its production schedule:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/235758213/odrive-the-ultimate-portable-drive-for-your-smartp?ref=discovery
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/235758213/odrive-the-ultimate-portable-drive-for-your-smartp?ref=discovery
January 28, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
Goth alert.
January 28, 2014, 08:16:19 PM
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
Oscar Wilde
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This requires no further explanation. You to whom this is directed know who you are.
January 28, 2014, 07:23:57 PM
1) Tomorrow is a scheduled PR update
2) Active Mining still has a window of opportunity to be great and to make some of its shareholders and it CEO very rich
3) That window will not stay open forever
4) Too many people spend too much time both here and in the IRC channel speculating on what the CEO of Active Mining is doing, planning and intending to do.
5) Instead of that delusional hopefulness, they should be putting polite pressure on the CEO of Active Mining to honor deadlines, provide an accurate report on progress and to get trading restarted
6) Tomorrow is a schedule PR update. Let's see what gets reported.
2) Active Mining still has a window of opportunity to be great and to make some of its shareholders and it CEO very rich
3) That window will not stay open forever
4) Too many people spend too much time both here and in the IRC channel speculating on what the CEO of Active Mining is doing, planning and intending to do.
5) Instead of that delusional hopefulness, they should be putting polite pressure on the CEO of Active Mining to honor deadlines, provide an accurate report on progress and to get trading restarted
6) Tomorrow is a schedule PR update. Let's see what gets reported.
January 28, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
Is there no longer any way to get data from BTCT.co?
BTCT does not have an update book of asset holders. Bitfunder does until our shares go on the exchange excluding the >100 sold on Cryptotrade
see this post for how to obtain your data - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4723937
BTCT's asset list is out of date is what I am saying. None of the shares on there are valid if they were transferred over to Bitfunder, because no one knows if you sold them or bought more by looking at the BTCT asset list. the Bitfunder asset list is the only thing
January 28, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
Is there no longer any way to get data from BTCT.co?
BTCT does not have an update book of asset holders. Bitfunder does until our shares go on the exchange excluding the >100 sold on Cryptotrade
see this post for how to obtain your data - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4723937
BTCT's asset list is out of date is what I am saying. None of the shares on there are valid if they were transferred over to Bitfunder, because no one knows if you sold them or bought more by looking at the BTCT asset list. the Bitfunder asset list is the only thing
January 28, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
Is there no longer any way to get data from BTCT.co?
BTCT does not have an update book of asset holders. Bitfunder does until our shares go on the exchange excluding the >100 sold on Cryptotrade
see this post for how to obtain your data - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4723937
January 28, 2014, 04:50:19 PM
Our shares are not trading yet but soon will be.
An account will be created for you on the trading platform Crypto-trade, not to be confused with Cryptostocks.
This is expected to happen in only a matter of days but be sure to tune back in on Wednesday around 2345hrs GMT and look for Ken's 'Weekly Update' for more information.
You will need access to the email address you used in Bitfunder (expect to be contacted through that) as well as the public address from Bitfunder that you would have given to receive dividends. To prove ownership of your shares you will need to be able to 'sign a message' from that public address when the time comes.
An account will be created for you on the trading platform Crypto-trade, not to be confused with Cryptostocks.
This is expected to happen in only a matter of days but be sure to tune back in on Wednesday around 2345hrs GMT and look for Ken's 'Weekly Update' for more information.
You will need access to the email address you used in Bitfunder (expect to be contacted through that) as well as the public address from Bitfunder that you would have given to receive dividends. To prove ownership of your shares you will need to be able to 'sign a message' from that public address when the time comes.
At least there's some decency left on this thread.
I would pay to find out how old crumbs & co are and what they do with their day-to-day lives. Simply cannot believe the amount of time they spend on here typing inanities.
+1
I've come to the point where I automatically ignore any and every (a ton lately) noob that enters this thread, purely on troll assumption.
it's baffling to me that anyone would spend that much time doing something so useless.
on another (off topic) note, this guy just did a piece about trolls:
The Experience of Being Trolled | Idea Channel | PBS Digital Studios
January 28, 2014, 04:33:16 PM
Is there no longer any way to get data from BTCT.co?
BTCT does not have an update book of asset holders. Bitfunder does until our shares go on the exchange excluding the >100 sold on Cryptotrade
see this post for how to obtain your data - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4723937
January 28, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Are you ready to buy, or just typing inanities?
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