Topic: AI Spam Report Reference Thread - page 44. (Read 24836 times)

Well the thing is there's a few other accounts that post in this same style (I'll get to them shortly) and the simplest explanation is you're all the same person. Regardless, it doesn't matter if someone posted on your behalf or not -- you assume all responsibility for what is posted under your account.

Double regardless, this is all very stupid because you're supposed to be here because you enjoy posting on the forum and contributing to ongoing discussion using your own brain & words. This is a discussion forum, not a job that you can outsource. You should absolutely be banned for plagiarism although I am only reporting posts as "AI spam" here and its up to the mods whether or not use of AI counts as plagiarism.

Yes, i am ready for their step. i hope i will he given chance concerning this case and i assure i will try my best to be careful Next time. I am trying here for 6 month and now at this stage my reputation damaged just for doing one mistake. i also don't know how to thanks friend who  brings me here

I'm not the one who decides if it will be considered so or the other way. I don't even know if to report anything and if so then what. But when moderators will see your confession they'll do what they'll consider right in this situation.

I was surprised to hear his confession. It would be a breakthrough if you could hire other people to post on this forum. I think just doing plagiarism is very wrong here (quoting some other people's ideas). In this case you're not just partaking of that person's ideas, but all of other people's ideas. Sounds good.. I don't think anyone has made a great breakthrough except you

No sir, he wrote some post for me which was not used anywhere in any place just like some one write writing article for you. I don't think it will be refer to pilgirarism

I guess this confession can do even worse in your situation. You say that you used someone else's posts passing them off as your own. This is what plagiarism is, and plagiarism is strictly forbidden by rules.

No sir, i am not alt of Nlovric. i shocked when i saw this post. now i am telling whole story what actually happened. I did some mistake which got me this far.

Nlovric is my indirect friend (my friend has good relationship with him). actually when i accepted in Yomix signature compaign, my friend told mw that I can get bonus of 30$ if i post more than 60. I offer him if he could write post for me then I will give 10$ for helping because i cannot write 60 post in week and secondly i have no knowledge of gambling discussion except cricket. he agreed and was sending daily 3-4 post with profile link. I once asked him that not use any AI tool and he give me proof that its 100% human written posts. when this issue happened and i saw this post i completely shocked because i was not aware that my friend can do this despite of many time requesting not use any AI tool. when i asked he told me that actually got help from nlovric and 60% post was written by nlovric for him and he was also unaware of it. now i just told all truth and below i am sharing all our conversation through Whatsapp. Xal0lex (Staff member and moderator of local ) can read all and can confirm our conversation. We have also some voice discussion, if needed i will also add.

Here is all my conversation
https://archive.org/details/Petulinomistake#ia-carousel

I know that i am all to blame but i am not alt of Nlovric, without gambling every one can check my other 180 posts i written by myself.

I have updated the OP with 2 additional AI detector utilities that return results as %s.

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Yeah I dunno, could be, people are weird as hell when it comes to merits sometimes. He could even have been trying to earn back his own pay  but he did give me credit so who knows.


OK well let's start with the last one on this list.


Username: petulino

Post #1 (quoting an nlovric post):


This post does the same trick used by nlovric, removing punctuation. Even as is this post comes back 99.9% likely to contain AI Generated Text according to hivemoderation but 98.3% human for copyleaks. Let's put in the punctuation and remove the last sentence:


hivemoderation: 99.9% likely to contain AI Generated Text
copyleaks: 60.1% probability for AI

Let's see what happens when we add the punctuation:


hivemoderation: 99.8% likely to contain AI Generated Text
copyleaks: 99.9% human

After adding in the appropriate punctuation:


hivemoderation: 99.9% likely to contain AI Generated Text
copyleaks: 82.3% probability for AI


All these posts appear to be a text-spin of the post they are quoting as well, which means this is almost certainly an alt account of nlovric.

I strongly believe he was an alt of @nlovric that tried to exploit the story to get some free merits. he locked and archived that topic after I posted this:


The strange thing now is that these accounts are found in the list of accounts to which he sent merits.

It seems that not entirely, because there has been another forum member who wanted to take merit for the success. I have linked to this thread before without thinking that nutildah could have discovered the cheater before. I don't know what his motives may have been but I'll keep an eye on him.

My reports on JayTrain's posts are all good. But it is an obvious case. I guess it's about that moderators should see that it is a violation, and if there will be a less obvious case they can probably be not content with just numbers from detectors.

The case mentioned by lovesmayfamilis would be harder. It looks like his posts were written with the use of AI, but it was rewritten a bit to pass the AI detection.

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And nlovric (u=51020) case is over. Moderators agree that it is plagiarism.



I don't like those ones who hack or trade accounts, so it's great!

Yes, it should. Technically all ChatGPT posts are plagiarism because they are being copy/pasted from another source uncredited, but those ones are especially... Its the equivalent of using a fancy text-spinner, which is also considered plagiarism.

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I'm starting to like this Copyleaks utility.

Found another one who quoted a nlovric post.

Post #1:


hivemoderation: 96.1% likely to contain AI Generated Text
copyleaks: 75.6% probability for AI

Post #2:


hivemoderation: 93.7% likely to contain AI Generated Text
copyleaks: 74.6% probability for AI

Post #3:


hivemoderation: 99.9% likely to contain AI Generated Text
copyleaks: 75.2% probability for AI


I think this user is already temp banned. If reports for these posts are all marked as "Good" I will update the OP with the new criteria.

Shouldn't it be considered as plagiarism? His "answers" are just rewritten posts he answers to.

Yes, I also use copyleaks for AI text detection. In addition to everything, this application has a convenient extension that allows you to check texts on the fly. I would like to pay attention to the posts of this person, they are very similar to the use of an AI tool, but apparently he edits the posts a little, and therefore copyleaks does not always manage to guess up to 99% accuracy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yuriy1991-1128239

Maybe, but it's what I can't check. I looked through the list of banned ones and didn't see him.


"Hover over text."




If I'd combined posts from different users and got a false positive result it could be a problem because it could blame someone with natural text. But here all posts are from the same user.

When it will give false negative result for an AI spammer we can choose some other AI generated posts of him. More text gives better results then several times the same text, because a detector has more patterns can be found.

I combined a couple of your short posts with couple of mine and hivemoderation gave 0%. If there will be any chance of false positive by combining natural posts of a same user then it could be a problem. False negative is a lesser problem IMO. We can just wait for more AI posts of a spammer to catch him.

It would appear he's been temp banned as was suggested by lovesmayfamilis... he doesn't seem like the type to just stop posting during a campaign.

I don't see where you are getting these percentages from for Copyleaks. I even signed up to use the Enhanced version and it just says "AI Content Detected".

But I do see what you're doing by combining the two posts into one for hivemoderation. Its better to just copy and paste the same short post twice (or three times) to meet the 750 char minimum. Because if I combine one human post and one AI post it may report that both or neither of the posts are AI (less accuracy).

Okay, let's try. As I see, luckily main part of my collection was worked by someone else as well, but some have not deleted AI posts and not being banned yet.

Let's start with JayTrain. All or nearly all his posts for last months are written by AI. Don't know why isn't he banned yet.


copyleaks 77.8%


copyleaks 95.8%

hivemoderation two posts above combined to achieve minimum character number, 99.9%

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copyleaks 75.6%


copyleaks 99.9%

hivemoderation two posts above combined to achieve minimum character number, 99.9%

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So now I send a report on these 4 posts and we'll see what will happen, right?

OK I'll give it a look next time. I'm thinking that the initial standards I propose need to change b/c they are too rigid... Perhaps it will be something like "any 2 AI detectors that report post text with a strong likelihood of being AI generated" in the future. Ultimately it depends on what the moderators think suffices, and speaking of that, here is the update on the 4 nlovric posts from above that were reported as "AI spam" with a reference link to this thread:

I didn't try writefull.com very often, but it says that it tries to find only ChatGPT written texts. Maybe the problem is in that.

writer.com gives false negative results really often. I don't know why do many use this detector.

Try https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector. It gives false negative results too and who probably stole the nlovric's acc would also pass it's check with about just 30+% of AI probability. But comparing to other tools I'd say it works good and I haven't ever seen it giving false positive results yet.

I'm thinking of lowering the standards for what can be included as AI-assisted because both writer.com and writefull.com are extremely lenient compared to hivemoderation.com.

I want to mention this poster because I am 100% certain that not only is it a bought account but that they are using AI to write posts -- but they are a bit more clever than the other examples because they remove punctuation from their posts, which tricks the detectors. It ends up looking like spam gibberish and nobody will ever read them but they get paid for them anyway.

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First of all, nlovric has a registration date of February 03, 2012, yet they wrote this:


 

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Post #1: Here's an example of a post with the punctuation removed:


It comes back as 32.4% likely to contain AI Generated Text, according to hivemoderation.com.

Here it is with proper punctuation:


By itself, hivemoderation.com says it is 99.1% likely to contain AI Generated Text.

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Post #3: They are also using ChatGPT to re-write quoted posts, which is maddeningly stupid:


Clearly AI didn't know that Strikers was in reference to a football position so it re-wrote the text as "department that is on strike," lol.

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Post #4: Here's one more example where commas and apostrophes are removed, and he tacked on his own intro sentence at the beginning (hivemoderation.com says the rest of it is 99.9% likely to contain AI written text):


In the original version, GPTZero says its "likely to be written by a human," but after adding in the proper punctuation it goes up to a "moderate likelihood of being written by AI."