All people Should have the right to own Guns in our Society

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Quote from: kentrolla on April 29, 2024, 03:02:21 PM

Completely disagree as we have already seen so much of gun related crimes and shooting in schools and some so called mentally unstable person going on rampage and killing spree. I think no one should have access to gun accept the relevant security services and authorities and rather we should ensure we have more trained personnel to tackle the crime and there should be enough security and safety to curb on the crimes and send the criminals behind the bar which would reduce the incidents and there is absolutely no need of guns for ordinary person.

I strongly believe that the person who created this thread is from Africa and in Africa we have not given the opportunity to own gun so many of us don't even know how to fire or shoot gun so if the opportunity is given then everyone is a suspect and if they near the door in the night the guy will release the bullet to the person.

If Africans are given the opportunity to carry gun then the killing will be very high because the angry families will go and kill the families that have done something against them to pay back. So I also disagree with Op. Though Americans are allow to carry gun.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on May 25, 2024, 02:15:16 AM

There is some policy that is not encouraging in the society so whoever that implement the law that everybody should using gum that person will harm the society because if everyone should apply use of Born To The Society that means nobody is safe and there is every possibility that whoever that you offend will harm you so I don't think that that idea is a wise one

All you are saying is that people are bad at heart. Even if such is true, people are smart enough that they won't start little wars with other people for nothing. Nobody wants a war where they can't win, and where they might get hurt. But they need their guns to protect them from the crazy people out there, and especially the people in government.

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Quote from: Cossyblack on April 29, 2024, 02:15:20 PM

The fear of rising crime in our society is no joke and can't be ignored.This is why All people should have the rights to own Guns.

One can protect oneself,one's family and not bend down to anybody.

Possession of firearms often reduces home robberies and assaultive crimes like rape both by family members and strangers.

They are excellent tools for protection and self- defense.

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But you can definitely keep a gun to keep your family safe. It is especially important to keep women safe, women are the most stigmatized these days. Especially bad people are increasing in number, they mainly get the support of others and big powerful people to perpetrate massive violence on the public. I think it's the right thing to do to support families from this abuse, and it's the right thing to do with guns. But the buddy must be a licensed one known as a valid buddy-gun.

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There is some policy that is not encouraging in the society so whoever that implement the law that everybody should using gum that person will harm the society because if everyone should apply use of Born To The Society that means nobody is safe and there is every possibility that whoever that you offend will harm you so I don't think that that idea is a wise one

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^^^ In countries without guns or gun problems, it's only that way because of the gun freedom in the US. Government people in those countries are docile because they are afraid that US gun freedom would spread to their people if they introduced worse 'slavery' than is already there, in their countries... even though those countries claim they are free. They aren't free. You can tell. How? They don't let their people freely have guns.

In a country that allows automatic weapons, how does one get those weapons off the street? In America, the people holding such guns would band together against government if government tried to do this. Then the rest of the people without guns would band together against government for fear of losing their rights in other ways.

The Garden of Eden is gone.

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The only thing I am saying is, if the courts are going to let a criminal shooter live and walk free among society, then protect him. Otherwise, execute him. But be sure he is really guilty, first.

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If a person has served their time for their crime then they have a right to walk free among society the same as any other citizen unarmed and no longer dangerous and call the police like every other citizen if threatened by someone who has a weapon so the police can come to the scene authorised to use whatever force nescessary to engage with the person who is threatening this person with a weapon.

This happens in the UK for example where gun violence is low or in Ireland where the police force in unarmed and gun violence is non existent. Civilised societies should have no need to walk the streets carrying guns like the wild west and police officers should feel comfortable walking their streets among the public unarmed with only non lethal weapons.

All automatic weapons should be taken off the streets and banned from public use. It should become difficult or next to impossible to obtain such weapons. Only a shotgun or rifle should be available for citizens and their well armed militia should be a legitimate well vetted militia made up of elected officials,members of the public and police and whatever they decide upon with their automatic military style weapons lawfully kept in a proper barracks.

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People who have used a gun to commit a crime in the past should never have a right to own a gun. There should be consequences of their choices and actions. Freedom to own a gun should only be given to those who have not used a gun to commit crime if they choose to have a gun. In an ideal society there should be no need to own a gun for any reason however we live in a wicked world so this is not the case unfortunately.

If there is gun ownership then people should be educated on the rules and regulations and use of a gun before being issued a licence to own a firearm. Gangsta rapper types who wish to own a firearm should be vetted the same as anyone else before being allowed to walk into walmart and pick up a 12 guage or whatever they want to own.

But think about this. Many people who did a crime with a gun, and as a consequence have been disallowed from owning a gun, how are they going to be protected? I mean, everybody makes a mistake sometime. So, when is the time for such a person to be protected? Especially if he paid for his crime by community service or prison?

I think that government should assign a police officer to every person who the government has disallowed from using/owning guns. The police officer should be there 24/7/365 to protect the guy, because government took his self-protection away, and needs to protect him to keep from being bad guys themselves.

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Nope. Disarm all criminals who used guns for their crimes and then criminals might have less incentive to use guns to commit crimes although that is doubtful as criminals who have used guins to commit crimes and wish to commit more crimes will undoubtedly find an alternative source to supply them with a gun.

The police should also be disarmed by the looks of things in the US these days.

It would be best if all automatic weapons were banned for public use and firearm licences only issued for shotguns and rifles while disarming all uniformed police officers and only arming specific units that can back up uniformed officers if need be or having a gun in police car that can only be accessed remotely by calling dispatch if a violent crime is being reported where a weapon is being used. Otherwise uniformed officers should have only use of non lethal weapons such as pepper spray or taser.

The only thing I am saying is, if the courts are going to let a criminal shooter live and walk free among society, then protect him. Otherwise, execute him. But be sure he is really guilty, first.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 24, 2024, 06:20:37 PM

Quote from: YADAYADA on May 24, 2024, 05:57:32 PM

People who have used a gun to commit a crime in the past should never have a right to own a gun. There should be consequences of their choices and actions. Freedom to own a gun should only be given to those who have not used a gun to commit crime if they choose to have a gun. In an ideal society there should be no need to own a gun for any reason however we live in a wicked world so this is not the case unfortunately.

If there is gun ownership then people should be educated on the rules and regulations and use of a gun before being issued a licence to own a firearm. Gangsta rapper types who wish to own a firearm should be vetted the same as anyone else before being allowed to walk into walmart and pick up a 12 guage or whatever they want to own.

But think about this. Many people who did a crime with a gun, and as a consequence have been disallowed from owning a gun, how are they going to be protected? I mean, everybody makes a mistake sometime. So, when is the time for such a person to be protected? Especially if he paid for his crime by community service or prison?

I think that government should assign a police officer to every person who the government has disallowed from using/owning guns. The police officer should be there 24/7/365 to protect the guy, because government took his self-protection away, and needs to protect him to keep from being bad guys themselves.

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Nope. Disarm all criminals who used guns for their crimes and then criminals might have less incentive to use guns to commit crimes although that is doubtful as criminals who have used guins to commit crimes and wish to commit more crimes will undoubtedly find an alternative source to supply them with a gun.

The police should also be disarmed by the looks of things in the US these days.

It would be best if all automatic weapons were banned for public use and firearm licences only issued for shotguns and rifles while disarming all uniformed police officers and only arming specific units that can back up uniformed officers if need be or having a gun in police car that can only be accessed remotely by calling dispatch if a violent crime is being reported where a weapon is being used. Otherwise uniformed officers should have only use of non lethal weapons such as pepper spray or taser.

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Quote from: YADAYADA on May 24, 2024, 05:57:32 PM

People who have used a gun to commit a crime in the past should never have a right to own a gun. There should be consequences of their choices and actions. Freedom to own a gun should only be given to those who have not used a gun to commit crime if they choose to have a gun. In an ideal society there should be no need to own a gun for any reason however we live in a wicked world so this is not the case unfortunately.

If there is gun ownership then people should be educated on the rules and regulations and use of a gun before being issued a licence to own a firearm. Gangsta rapper types who wish to own a firearm should be vetted the same as anyone else before being allowed to walk into walmart and pick up a 12 guage or whatever they want to own.

But think about this. Many people who did a crime with a gun, and as a consequence have been disallowed from owning a gun, how are they going to be protected? I mean, everybody makes a mistake sometime. So, when is the time for such a person to be protected? Especially if he paid for his crime by community service or prison?

I think that government should assign a police officer to every person who the government has disallowed from using/owning guns. The police officer should be there 24/7/365 to protect the guy, because government took his self-protection away, and needs to protect him to keep from being bad guys themselves.

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People who have used a gun to commit a crime in the past should never have a right to own a gun. There should be consequences of their choices and actions. Freedom to own a gun should only be given to those who have not used a gun to commit crime if they choose to have a gun. In an ideal society there should be no need to own a gun for any reason however we live in a wicked world so this is not the case unfortunately.

If there is gun ownership then people should be educated on the rules and regulations and use of a gun before being issued a licence to own a firearm. Gangsta rapper types who wish to own a firearm should be vetted the same as anyone else before being allowed to walk into walmart and pick up a 12 guage or whatever they want to own.

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I think if there is a lack of social security, it's that everyone in our society needs to have guns, especially the adults. Because guns keep us safe in many cases, when people are in some kind of trouble. So I also think that all adults should own guns for their own safety.

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Quote from: Cossyblack on April 29, 2024, 02:15:20 PM

The fear of rising crime in our society is no joke and can't be ignored.This is why All people should have the rights to own Guns.

One can protect oneself,one's family and not bend down to anybody.

Possession of firearms often reduces home robberies and assaultive crimes like rape both by family members and strangers.

They are excellent tools for protection and self- defense.

Agree or Disagree

https://secondamendmentcenter.org/people-should-have-the-right-to-own-guns/

Before giving firearms to every citizen, be sure the citizens are mentally matured enough to handle firearms responsibly. I live in an environment where the possession of firearms is not legalised, yet crimes resulting from the use of firearms are on the increase. Imagine a situation where everyone is allowed to own one, there will be more insecurity and jungle justice will be on the rise too because everyone is obviously a suspect.

The duty of protection of lives and properties should be left in the hands of the police. They have been trained for this, therefore they should be able to help maintain peace and order. If the government desperately wants to ensure that its citizens are safe, then they should equip the military and paramilitary so well to do their jobs effortlessly.

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^^^ People don't often hear about the lives that are saved by guns in the US. Although there is info about it that you can find if you look for it, THE MAIN POINT is totally hidden. What is the main point? Projections about what would happen if the people did NOT have guns.

Without guns in the hands of good citizens, all kinds of shooters would come out of hiding, and do mass shootings all over the place. It's not the fact of average people protecting themselves with guns. It's the fact that a few of them do, and mass-murdering shooters don't know which of the people would.

Daniel Perry Pardoned in Texas for Shooting AK47-Wielding BLM 'Protester'

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64453
The Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles approved a pardon for Army Sgt Daniel Perry on Thursday after spending over a year investigating his shooting of a BLM "protester" armed with an AK-47.

Perry, a veteran who was working as an Uber driver, shot AK-47 wielding BLM "protester" Garrett Foster during the Summer of Floyd in 2020 after Foster together with a mob of BLM protesters swarmed him in his car in the middle of a public street.

The man who defended himself against BLM rioters was indicted today a year after the incident in yet another example of how illegitimate our justice system is

Army Sgt Daniel Perry was driving Uber when rioters mobbed his car and pointed a gun towards him.

The media describes mobbing his car and pointing a gun towards him as "motioned with the assault rifle for Mr. Perry to lower his window", as if one could tell that https://kxxv.com/hometown/texas/fort-hood-soldier-who-fatally-shot-austin-protester-garrett-foster-indicted-on-multiple-charges...

Shortly before being killed Garrett made it clear why he was there.

Another BLM rioter shot at Perry shortly after he defended himself. Perry then fled and immediately called police upon getting to safety.

Texas is a stand your ground state, but it looks like that doesn't apply if you defend yourself from those with a system approved ideology
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If everyone has the right to own a firearm, this means that it will be easier for criminals to own firearms. So what's the point if people have firearms but criminals also have firearms? This would be dangerous and worsen the chaos. Moreover, if criminals have firearms, they will be braver and more sadistic in committing criminal acts.

Let's take it from the US which has regulations regarding firearms which in my opinion are not too strict.

Graph of firearm deaths in the US, 1999 - 2021.

Suicide → Suicide
Homicide → Murder, criminal act. Varies, such as hitman, robbery, etc.

So in my opinion everyone has the right to own a firearm, but it must be subject to strict regulations and proven by psychological tests. That will reduce the risks as I mentioned above.

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Quote from: Cossyblack on April 29, 2024, 02:15:20 PM

The fear of rising crime in our society is no joke and can't be ignored.This is why All people should have the rights to own Guns.
One can protect oneself,one's family and not bend down to anybody.
Possession of firearms often reduces home robberies and assaultive crimes like rape both by family members and strangers.
They are excellent tools for protection and self- defense.
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How about right to have an access to affordable mental care and universal income instead? Countries where you need those guns are are often more or less unstable, because they have huge gap between poor and rich class, causing violence and bad neighbourghoods.

Desperation, fear, angst and lack of safety net, causes people to lash out and they will take justice in their own hands or deal with emotions by aggression. Put guns to this mix and fear of getting hit from a stray bullets will grow also. People who like to carry guns often do it because of the fear of their safety. But for some reason they don't trust anything that deals with root problems and is actually efficiently growing safety.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 14, 2024, 02:05:04 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 14, 2024, 12:24:59 PM

3. Military people, as long as they are inside the borders of the country.

So they're not supposed to train. In case of a conflict they're given a weapon for the first time in years and asked to go and shoot someone with it.

If that's the only thing you can think of, please don't own a gun yourself.

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An addition would be police, based on two things:
1. Only if the local people allowed their police to have guns;

It would be literally suicide to work as a police officer. You wouldn't have a gun but everybody else would, but it's you that works in law enforcement. How are you going to enforce anything facing an armed criminal while being unarmed yourself? Also, imagine the police officer being able to carry a gun at home but not at work.

That's the point. You simply dropped the part where I said:

Quote from: BADecker on May 14, 2024, 12:24:59 PM

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The only exception would be the county sheriff and his(her) deputies. They could own all the guns they wanted.

The general public and the populace should be required to own guns, as long as they didn't fall into one of the above classifications of people who couldn't own or touch guns.

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What are military people? What are police? They are people. Sure, they are trained. But anybody can be trained.

By the time the police get there, the crooks are long gone... by far, most of the time. If the people had guns, the crooks would be taken care of on the spot. Why can't an average citizen use plausible deniability, "I feared for my life," like the cops do?

The Sheriff is in the Constitution; the police are not. Let's do it the way it is supposed to be done:
1. No standing army in times of peace;
2. The militia (citizenry) as military, having the guns;
3. Get rid of the expense of police who mostly just antagonize the citizenry.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 14, 2024, 12:24:59 PM

3. Military people, as long as they are inside the borders of the country.

So they're not supposed to train. In case of a conflict they're given a weapon for the first time in years and asked to go and shoot someone with it.

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An addition would be police, based on two things:
1. Only if the local people allowed their police to have guns;

It would be literally suicide to work as a police officer. You wouldn't have a gun but everybody else would, but it's you that works in law enforcement. How are you going to enforce anything facing an armed criminal while being unarmed yourself? Also, imagine the police officer being able to carry a gun at home but not at work.

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All people Should have the right to own Guns in our Society

The title says "All." What does 'all' mean? It means ALL.

There are 3 classes of people who shouldn't be able to own or even touch guns or weapons - US, basically. They are:
1. Violent criminals who have been convicted of violent crime, with or without using a gun;
2. Politicians running for office or already in government office;
3. Military people, as long as they are inside the borders of the country.

An addition would be police, based on two things:
1. Only if the local people allowed their police to have guns;
2. Only within the borders of the locality wherein they were authorized as police.

The only exception would be the county sheriff and his(her) deputies. They could own all the guns they wanted.

The general public and the populace should be required to own guns, as long as they didn't fall into one of the above classifications of people who couldn't own or touch guns.

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Quote from: Cossyblack on April 29, 2024, 02:15:20 PM

The fear of rising crime in our society is no joke and can't be ignored.This is why All people should have the rights to own Guns.

One can protect oneself,one's family and not bend down to anybody.

Possession of firearms often reduces home robberies and assaultive crimes like rape both by family members and strangers.

They are excellent tools for protection and self- defense.

Agree or Disagree

https://secondamendmentcenter.org/people-should-have-the-right-to-own-guns/

Op sincerely I don’t support this ideas of people having guns in their homes because it will increase the crime in the society . Possession of firearms by unauthorised persons does more harm than good and can lead to turmoil and constant killing of innocent citizens . I don’t really know your country maybe This might work well in your country but in my country I will not advice any government to allow everyone to have access to firearms because it will surely lead to disaster .Most times politicians will give out gun during an
election to political tugs and after election the innocent citizens will be in danger because of constant violence, robbery and vandalism, however ,Op I totally disagree with this your idea.

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Quote from: GideonGono on May 11, 2024, 05:40:35 PM

Nope, not everyone could control their self so I don't agree with it.
So many people could easily be triggered so it would really be scary if everyone would have a gun.
Just imagine having a KAREN or Racist near your place would really be scary for everyone in the neighborhood.

Funny enough, I think people in the United States has grown used to it, having a very pissed off neighbor who happens to own a lot of guns as well, and they do not pay any attention to it. It is fascinating how gun culture in that country works, in your country, if you had someone like that in your neighborhood and if you knew they got weapons within their reach, then you would never dare to get close to them and you may event feel tempted to call the police on them and their family, but in the USA he is just enjoying his second amendment right, in the same way you could, if you wanted.
It is possible to live in a peaceful neighborhood where all people there happen to own guns, there is where the good versus bad gun with a gun debate kicks in.
The law does not care whether one is a good or a bad person, as long as one has not committed a crime, there is entitledment to have guns, the only failure in that system is how bad things and shootings are supposed to happen first, before one can identify who the bad guy is.

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