All people Should have the right to own Guns in our Society - page 2.

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Quote from: riqo on May 05, 2024, 06:47:33 AM

Guns have to be just in the hands of mentally stable people, everyone mentaly stable must have the right to have a gun, that means that we need replace the guns paper permit to a psychiatric exam to evaluate the future gun owner, with this solution we wont be a dystopian society!

I have noticed that gun crime have increased in the United States and it was due to the liberty for common citizens to have their own guns. The government have to tackle ways on limited the right to the use of guns and ammunitions by citizens.
Crime would always increase with time when it seems like everybody is holding a gun which could be a sense of self defense but that might be more than that. Some still use it for atrocities and cause conflicts to others.

Gun crime hasn't increased. The thing that has increased is the advertising about gun crime. When you look at all the criminal gun activity, ALL OF IT, you will see that it's the use of guns that have stopped crime more than making crime.

Government wants to disarm the people. People without guns are no threat to a wicked, evil government. So, this same government that advertises that Trump is bad, is advertising that guns are bad.

It would be a wonderful world if there wasn't any criminality. But that isn't going to happen. Let's stop gun crime at the source; good people with guns stopping that bad people.

Google "police brutality" and see how many hits you get; hundreds of thousands. Millions? Are cops good? Some are, just like any other people. But bad cops often use their authority to do bad things. Do you want to be unprotected from those bad guys who have guns?

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Quote from: riqo on May 05, 2024, 06:47:33 AM

Guns have to be just in the hands of mentally stable people, everyone mentaly stable must have the right to have a gun, that means that we need replace the guns paper permit to a psychiatric exam to evaluate the future gun owner, with this solution we wont be a dystopian society!

I have noticed that gun crime have increased in the United States and it was due to the liberty for common citizens to have their own guns. The government have to tackle ways on limited the right to the use of guns and ammunitions by citizens.
Crime would always increase with time when it seems like everybody is holding a gun which could be a sense of self defense but that might be more than that. Some still use it for atrocities and cause conflicts to others.

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Quote from: Cossyblack on April 29, 2024, 03:15:20 PM

The fear of rising crime in our society is no joke and can't be ignored.This is why All people should have the rights to own Guns.

One can protect oneself,one's family and not bend down to anybody.

Possession of firearms often reduces home robberies and assaultive crimes like rape both by family members and strangers.

They are excellent tools for protection and self- defense.

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https://secondamendmentcenter.org/people-should-have-the-right-to-own-guns/

Since your country has the highest number of criminals then you must use weapons in self defense, but the weapons must be licensed. And of course the government should keep the people of its country calm and reduce the crime rate, all these things will be controlled by the government. Because it is the duty of a government to govern the people of its country properly, I agree that it is better to use licensed guns for self defense and family protection if the number of bad and dirty people increases in the area.

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Nope, not everyone could control their self so I don't agree with it.
So many people could easily be triggered so it would really be scary if everyone would have a gun.
Just imagine having a KAREN or Racist near your place would really be scary for everyone in the neighborhood.

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There is some statement that is not suppose to be discussed in this platform because it is only the military people that have the last sense that is authorized to make use of arms and ammunition so individual or civilian it's not authorized to make me use of gun so I don't know why this discussion is coming to this place because we are not a military school so I think let us try to bring up what is reasonable and what that we profit us in future

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Quote from: BADecker on May 07, 2024, 02:51:29 PM

^^^ The point is that there will always be bad shooters with guns. What is the only way to combat them? Guns in the hands of good people. Government - police - is way too slow to stop bad shooters.
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So if government and police are too slow as a solution to deal with bad people with guns, how come many of the safest countries within the first world and the civilized nations are those who have heavy restrictions on the ownership of guns by their citizens?
Take Japan for example, people there are not allowed to have guns because of the treaties signed after the defeat of the empire of Japan in the second world war, and yet, the rates of violence in Japan are very low, so is crime in general, mass shooting as non-existant when compared to the United States, etc. They do not have handgins and seem not to need them.
Though, there is no doubt there is bad people and criminals in all places in the world, but it would seem the criminals in Japan could be having a rough time trying to arm themselves and paying premium prices for ammo, instead in USA where it is as easy as buying candy when one has turned 18 years old.

The unhinged weapon culture in that country is part of the problem which could lead to tragedies like that we all saw in Uvalde two years ago.

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Quote from: riqo on May 05, 2024, 06:47:33 AM

Guns have to be just in the hands of mentally stable people, everyone mentaly stable must have the right to have a gun, that means that we need replace the guns paper permit to a psychiatric exam to evaluate the future gun owner, with this solution we wont be a dystopian society!

The problem here is you'd have to check every gun owner each year because you can in fact develop mental illness later in your life, after passing your gun tests and owning it for several years.

Personally I love guns and if I had to choose between two extremes of nobody owning a gun and everybody owning a gun, I'd choose the latter, but I agree that a gun is a double edged sword. Having it at home gives you a sense of security and allows you to defend yourself, but it's a dangerous tool that can cause accidents. You leave it in the open and your child shoots someone, or you get scared of something and fire, thinking there's an intruder, but it could be a drunk neighbor who came back from a party and entered the wrong house.

You can't take back time once you fire at someone.

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^^^ The point is that there will always be bad shooters with guns. What is the only way to combat them? Guns in the hands of good people. Government - police - is way too slow to stop bad shooters.

We are luck when there are enough good people with guns around us, so that we don't have to have guns if we don't want them.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 05, 2024, 01:09:12 PM

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And I'd day without knowing who killed me but hey, it's in the city where a lot of houses are in each other and a lot of blocks that the shooter can't find me easily. Just kidding but yeah, that's the likely the scenario but I'd live on what I am believing about living with what I have and how I'd die.

There is a lot to be said for your attitude. I mean, loving the shooter so much that you would rather be maimed or killed than kill or maim. But what about your family? If the shooter comes into your house and wants to kill your children or parents or brothers and sisters, are you going to say, "Have at it, shooter?" And especially when your dying kids say, "Daddy, it hurts bad."

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I understand where you are coming from but I am in a place that I can't think of something like that and that's why my attitude is like that. But I am very much open with the scenarios that can potentially happen to me if ever I visit some unknown neighborhood and places for me. I don't want to think that much about my family but I knew how it feels to lose someone with that scene because I've lost one brother of mine but fortunately, not with this kind of violence but more of a peaceful passing away. And that's what I am believing until now, I'm living at peace without owning one but who knows if I retaliate if somebody tries to do harm on me. I might run as I've said or I might have my revenge, I don't know because I don't want to think about it and I am just cherishing the peaceful living of this place that soon I am going to live. They're not warfreak and triggerhappy but it's a different ambiance that I don't like either and that's why I am just living and adjusting to them. But I won't ask for more compared to almost every neighborhood that owns a gun.

This that you say is good.

Guns are for hunting or target practice (competitions). If everybody viewed it this way, and if everybody was safe in their use and storage of guns, we wouldn't have threads like this one.

If 100% of the populace owned guns, most of them wouldn't use them against other people. But the bad shooters don't know this. So, just the knowledge that everybody had a gun would scare them into not using theirs in a bad way.

If nobody else had a gun, the bad shooters would never stop. Why not? They wouldn't have fear of anybody except those few like themselves.

Most people don't have guns. But bad shooters don't know who has one and who doesn't. So they are fearful enough to not try to find out the hard way... by using theirs. Rather, they go to places like schools, because they know there aren't any guns there. They know they can get away with it there. Of course, with all the school shootings in the last few years, schools now have special protection. And the bad shooters know it.

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I agree that guns should be used mainly for target practice. I've seen issues about hunting and some of the incidents have become viral because it's not necessary to hunt specifically for endangered species. But what can we help with that? Nothing. Whatever the gun owners do wanna do with their guns, they'll do it. If it's for target practicing and it has become a hobby, that's much better but we don't hold the emotions of every gun owner and that's where the other harmful incidents start to happen.
It's true that most people don't have guns just like me but this is really a situational matter for most of the people especially those that are in a dangerous neighborhood. I don't know which state it is on the US to be specific and other countries as well. I hate it when I see news that there's a shooter that amok in schools and able to take down innocent lives. They shouldn't do it or if they wanna do and they lose their emotions and intellects, better not to harm anyone and do it to themselves.

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Quote from: riqo on May 05, 2024, 06:47:33 AM

Guns have to be just in the hands of mentally stable people, everyone mentaly stable must have the right to have a gun, that means that we need replace the guns paper permit to a psychiatric exam to evaluate the future gun owner, with this solution we wont be a dystopian society!

I agree with you. Not everyone should be allowed to own guns in our society, because not everyone is in sane conditions to take a responsability like that. We have already seen unstable people commiting carnage at schools and public areas due to past traumas they couldn't solve, so they became cold serial killers, while others neglected their guns, storing it carelessly, so their children had access to it and ended accidentaly hitting themselves or people around.

It's definitely not possible to allow everyone to own guns. A rigorous mental exam is a must, so the risks of having the situations mentioned above can decrease considerably, while allowing mentally stable people to defend themselves and their families, when necessary, if they wish to have a gun under their possession.

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And I'd day without knowing who killed me but hey, it's in the city where a lot of houses are in each other and a lot of blocks that the shooter can't find me easily. Just kidding but yeah, that's the likely the scenario but I'd live on what I am believing about living with what I have and how I'd die.

There is a lot to be said for your attitude. I mean, loving the shooter so much that you would rather be maimed or killed than kill or maim. But what about your family? If the shooter comes into your house and wants to kill your children or parents or brothers and sisters, are you going to say, "Have at it, shooter?" And especially when your dying kids say, "Daddy, it hurts bad."

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I understand where you are coming from but I am in a place that I can't think of something like that and that's why my attitude is like that. But I am very much open with the scenarios that can potentially happen to me if ever I visit some unknown neighborhood and places for me. I don't want to think that much about my family but I knew how it feels to lose someone with that scene because I've lost one brother of mine but fortunately, not with this kind of violence but more of a peaceful passing away. And that's what I am believing until now, I'm living at peace without owning one but who knows if I retaliate if somebody tries to do harm on me. I might run as I've said or I might have my revenge, I don't know because I don't want to think about it and I am just cherishing the peaceful living of this place that soon I am going to live. They're not warfreak and triggerhappy but it's a different ambiance that I don't like either and that's why I am just living and adjusting to them. But I won't ask for more compared to almost every neighborhood that owns a gun.

This that you say is good.

Guns are for hunting or target practice (competitions). If everybody viewed it this way, and if everybody was safe in their use and storage of guns, we wouldn't have threads like this one.

If 100% of the populace owned guns, most of them wouldn't use them against other people. But the bad shooters don't know this. So, just the knowledge that everybody had a gun would scare them into not using theirs in a bad way.

If nobody else had a gun, the bad shooters would never stop. Why not? They wouldn't have fear of anybody except those few like themselves.

Most people don't have guns. But bad shooters don't know who has one and who doesn't. So they are fearful enough to not try to find out the hard way... by using theirs. Rather, they go to places like schools, because they know there aren't any guns there. They know they can get away with it there. Of course, with all the school shootings in the last few years, schools now have special protection. And the bad shooters know it.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 05, 2024, 12:04:07 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 05, 2024, 11:51:03 AM

And I'd day without knowing who killed me but hey, it's in the city where a lot of houses are in each other and a lot of blocks that the shooter can't find me easily. Just kidding but yeah, that's the likely the scenario but I'd live on what I am believing about living with what I have and how I'd die.

There is a lot to be said for your attitude. I mean, loving the shooter so much that you would rather be maimed or killed than kill or maim. But what about your family? If the shooter comes into your house and wants to kill your children or parents or brothers and sisters, are you going to say, "Have at it, shooter?" And especially when your dying kids say, "Daddy, it hurts bad."

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I understand where you are coming from but I am in a place that I can't think of something like that and that's why my attitude is like that. But I am very much open with the scenarios that can potentially happen to me if ever I visit some unknown neighborhood and places for me. I don't want to think that much about my family but I knew how it feels to lose someone with that scene because I've lost one brother of mine but fortunately, not with this kind of violence but more of a peaceful passing away. And that's what I am believing until now, I'm living at peace without owning one but who knows if I retaliate if somebody tries to do harm on me. I might run as I've said or I might have my revenge, I don't know because I don't want to think about it and I am just cherishing the peaceful living of this place that soon I am going to live. They're not warfreak and triggerhappy but it's a different ambiance that I don't like either and that's why I am just living and adjusting to them. But I won't ask for more compared to almost every neighborhood that owns a gun.

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My logic there is, you're a law abiding citizen but you anticipate that something might happen to you. Just as the hitmen that carry weapons, you also carry one so you might attract the same judgement. That's for me and what I believe so, quite confusing but this world is crazy. But I know that we have to protect ourselves with any potential danger but I wouldn't chose to go with hand on hand combat through guns. I'm a coward, I'll just avoid and run any potential danger while and until I can.

Shot in the back while running. Cool

And I'd day without knowing who killed me but hey, it's in the city where a lot of houses are in each other and a lot of blocks that the shooter can't find me easily. Just kidding but yeah, that's the likely the scenario but I'd live on what I am believing about living with what I have and how I'd die.

Quote from: Frankolala on May 04, 2024, 02:58:28 PM

If you have a license gun then it becomes for self defense, and not for illegal activities. There are some people that the moment they lay their hands on guns, they get possessed by the gun, and do all sort of evil with it.

That's why it's still a weapon that can do harm more than the good. Because even if you use it for self defense, it's either you will be hit or the person that's trying to attack you. But as crazy as it seems nowadays, we have to protect ourselves but for someone like me, I'm glad that I am living in a neighborhood that there's not a lot of gun owners or I just don't see them because they're hiding in the shadows and they don't want to get revealed that they're owning one. Thus, if they do, then they're all responsible gun owners.

There is a lot to be said for your attitude. I mean, loving the shooter so much that you would rather be maimed or killed than kill or maim. But what about your family? If the shooter comes into your house and wants to kill your children or parents or brothers and sisters, are you going to say, "Have at it, shooter?" And especially when your dying kids say, "Daddy, it hurts bad."

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Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2024, 11:58:43 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 04, 2024, 07:46:16 AM

My logic there is, you're a law abiding citizen but you anticipate that something might happen to you. Just as the hitmen that carry weapons, you also carry one so you might attract the same judgement. That's for me and what I believe so, quite confusing but this world is crazy. But I know that we have to protect ourselves with any potential danger but I wouldn't chose to go with hand on hand combat through guns. I'm a coward, I'll just avoid and run any potential danger while and until I can.

Shot in the back while running. Cool

And I'd day without knowing who killed me but hey, it's in the city where a lot of houses are in each other and a lot of blocks that the shooter can't find me easily. Just kidding but yeah, that's the likely the scenario but I'd live on what I am believing about living with what I have and how I'd die.

Quote from: Frankolala on May 04, 2024, 02:58:28 PM

If you have a license gun then it becomes for self defense, and not for illegal activities. There are some people that the moment they lay their hands on guns, they get possessed by the gun, and do all sort of evil with it.

That's why it's still a weapon that can do harm more than the good. Because even if you use it for self defense, it's either you will be hit or the person that's trying to attack you. But as crazy as it seems nowadays, we have to protect ourselves but for someone like me, I'm glad that I am living in a neighborhood that there's not a lot of gun owners or I just don't see them because they're hiding in the shadows and they don't want to get revealed that they're owning one. Thus, if they do, then they're all responsible gun owners.

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Guns have to be just in the hands of mentally stable people, everyone mentaly stable must have the right to have a gun, that means that we need replace the guns paper permit to a psychiatric exam to evaluate the future gun owner, with this solution we wont be a dystopian society!

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Quote from: Cossyblack on April 29, 2024, 03:15:20 PM

The fear of rising crime in our society is no joke and can't be ignored.This is why All people should have the rights to own Guns.

One can protect oneself,one's family and not bend down to anybody.

Possession of firearms often reduces home robberies and assaultive crimes like rape both by family members and strangers.

They are excellent tools for protection and self- defense.

Agree or Disagree

https://secondamendmentcenter.org/people-should-have-the-right-to-own-guns/

This matter is very much debatable. You can just take your side and you can still be right. But it is better applied country by country based. But for US it has been working for them but it seems that the misuse is becoming high or the media has started to report the exact things that happen. How do mentality ill people actually get access to gun. There should be a well monitored system in the gun shop to ascertain that gun doesn't get to the hands of children, the sick and the drunk.

In a society where people are not allowed to carry arms, the bad eggs still carry it there by making them selves more powerful than those who decided to be law abiding.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on May 04, 2024, 12:04:26 AM

So if anyone has a gun they are less likely to get killed?

Don't put words in my mouth. You said that it's the reason why people get killed, so I countered that by showing you that murders have literally nothing to do with the possession of firearms. There are countries with almost no guns but high rate of homicides and countries with very high gun ownership and low homicides. I don't think that you can assume that owning a gun will not get you killed, but not owning it will also not increase your chances of staying alive.

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What if both parties have the gun at the same time and one who got the skills and reflexes better chance of surviving here which is obviously going to be someone who is doing this as a profession not just an average citizen. This makes sense only if government agree that they are incompetent of providing security to their citizen so there by not collecting any taxes from their citizen.

Would you rather face a skilled marksman unarmed, or armed? There are always be people better than you, be it with hand to hand combat, knives, or firearms, but I'd rather face an opponent (skilled or unskilled) with a firearm than without it. Chances are you both hit each other and that will save your family, or friends at the cost of your life, rather than you all dying there because you were all unarmed.

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Everyone is allowed to own a gun but you must ha e a license from the government to make it legal, and that is where the problems lies. If everyone should own a gun, it will become a street war and crime rate will be very high. However, if as guns are not legalized, guns cannot be taken out from the streets because corrupt leaders will always put them in the streets.

If you have a license gun then it becomes for self defense, and not for illegal activities. There are some people that the moment they lay their hands on guns, they get possessed by the gun, and do all sort of evil with it.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on May 04, 2024, 12:05:10 PM

They cant allow everyone to hold gun in the society except through license, that will enable then to verify and know if the individual has the enough reason why he should hold a gun, if he should be allowed to hold one after seen to be mentally fit and stable, also, there are requirements that will be made and must be fulfilled for someone to be able to be granted the license to hold a gun, if every conditions are made, then they may allow for the grant of the law.

But who are 'they'? In a free society, if 'they' force people to not have guns, then is it a free society?

Further, how are they going to stop people from having guns. They might get shot if they try.

In a society where everybody has a gun, the mentally unstable and the bad guys will be dead. Society will kill them. The relatives of a mentally unstable person will have to take control of their mentally unstable relative - if they love him - to keep him from using a gun in a way that will get him shot.

Training should start with the parents training their children at a young age.

Quote from: bluebit25 on May 04, 2024, 12:32:48 PM

Popularize the use of guns for self-defense and do not make them easily available. If you want to use them, you also need to go through some training programs or censorship from competent authorities.

I agree that the appearance of many criminals makes us need to take more precautions, but the responsibility is great on those who carry out justice such as the police, so no matter what society we are in, we should put our trust in them. Trust in law enforcement. But there are some situations where we may have to improve many other skills to defend ourselves. To me, truly lethal weapons should only be considered for self-defense. However, poor security is not everywhere, so if you live in a high-crime area, do what you feel is safe but still legal.

What keeps a person safe is what is legal.

My sister came home from work one evening (in Phoenix, AZ) and found her house broken into. Luckily she wasn't home. She called the cops, but it took them 8 hours to get there.

Trust God, and back up your trust with your gun.

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Popularize the use of guns for self-defense and do not make them easily available. If you want to use them, you also need to go through some training programs or censorship from competent authorities.

I agree that the appearance of many criminals makes us need to take more precautions, but the responsibility is great on those who carry out justice such as the police, so no matter what society we are in, we should put our trust in them. Trust in law enforcement. But there are some situations where we may have to improve many other skills to defend ourselves. To me, truly lethal weapons should only be considered for self-defense. However, poor security is not everywhere, so if you live in a high-crime area, do what you feel is safe but still legal.

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