Topic: All people Should have the right to own Guns in our Society - page 3. (Read 614 times)

They cant allow everyone to hold gun in the society except through license, that will enable then to verify and know if the individual has the enough reason why he should hold a gun, if he should be allowed to hold one after seen to be mentally fit and stable, also, there are requirements that will be made and must be fulfilled for someone to be able to be granted the license to hold a gun, if every conditions are made, then they may allow for the grant of the law.

Shot in the back while running.     

Yeah, that seems to be a situation that your friend won't have any other choice because of the area. But fortunately, I know areas that are peaceful but livelihood there is limited and that's why I am saving up for my retirement to live there someday and when everything is up and good for me, I can have my passive income that will come to me while living the best life that I can. What matters to me is I'd live peacefully and I really have no plan of carrying one and I just treat it as a costly thing as well whether with registrations and stuff and as well as maintaining it.

My logic there is, you're a law abiding citizen but you anticipate that something might happen to you. Just as the hitmen that carry weapons, you also carry one so you might attract the same judgement. That's for me and what I believe so, quite confusing but this world is crazy. But I know that we have to protect ourselves with any potential danger but I wouldn't chose to go with hand on hand combat through guns. I'm a coward, I'll just avoid and run any potential danger while and until I can.

So if anyone has a gun they are less likely to get killed? What if both parties have the gun at the same time and one who got the skills and reflexes better chance of surviving here which is obviously going to be someone who is doing this as a profession not just an average citizen. This makes sense only if government agree that they are incompetent of providing security to their citizen so there by not collecting any taxes from their citizen.

It could be you indeed you want to be alone and leave other alone with their own business, but unfortunately there are societies which such peaceful living is not such an easy option to pick for people and their neighbors.
I have got a friend who is a very good example of it, he is from the United States and he is a black person who does not own any weapons, after Trump managed to win the presidency of the country the people of the extreme right started to get more comfortable with showing off their racism against people like my friend. He friend wanted to be left alone and he would not bother anyone, but he felt so scared he started to seriously consider to get a handgun for his own protection.
All you have to do is out yourself in the place of someone like my friend, someone living around people who is constantly threating his self, because of the color of his skin. In that context, there will be people who do not like guns, but do not want the other side to be the only ones armed either.

By the way, I think the Bible means those who live by the sword, will die by it. I mostly apply to those who profit of death, like hitmen and cartel members. Does not have anything to do with lawabidding citizens having their guns safely locked or safely being carried.

While I understand where this is coming from, it is disturbing to think of it. It is scary for everyone to have access to gun because it will be more than just defending yourself of crime. Some people with anger issues will pull the trigger in one second. Some people will shoot themselves over arguments. I have watched various videos on how people in the US shoot others like it’s nothing. That is just too cold. Instead, the government should provide better security and look for ways to reduce the crime. Because it’s just a war when there’s criminals with guns and there’s you with a gun as well.

The rate at which crime is increasing this days is really high and the use of fire arms to intimidate people and take away their money and their jewelries and other valuables, fire arms have been used by a lot of people to commit some social vices but we shouldn't take fire arms to be legalized because the level of havoc it will create will be enormous because they will be handled in a wrong way and use it to take advantage of others. With the level of atrocious nature of humans it will be difficult to make the use of gun open to everybody.

I get that some folks believe having guns around makes places safer.  And yeah, for certain folks and situations, that's reasonable - if you live way out in the boondocks or want protection.  but insisting we'd all be better off if everyone packed heat wherever they went? I call shenanigans.

Guns ain't toys.  People lose their cool, even good folks.  Add firearms to those flare-ups and things go sideways real fast.  Just look at the stats - more guns typically means more problems not less.  More accidents.  More suicides.  More shootouts over fender benders and family spats.  I mean, cmon. 

Plus, places with strict limits on carrying guns around tend to be safer overall.  So this more guns equal more safe theory doesn't really hold water in my book.  I respect responsible gun owners, but thinking we'd live in some polite utopia if every last citizen strapped on a six-shooter before leaving the house every morning? That's some serious wishful thinking.

Every owning a personal gun is not a way of reducing crime in the society,  instead it will increase crime more because everyone would want to take laws into their hand. If everyone gets access of having gun, when someone offends you instead of taking the matter legally what comes into your mind next is to take laws into your hands .
This is not a good idea at all, even now that most people don't have fun to themselves the level at which crim is being committed is very high,  then imagine when their are guns everywhere, this will even cause people to be living in fear because you may not know what will even be the next action.

You present your point of view from a very limited point of view that does not include the entire scene. It is true that weapons are useful in confronting any attempted assault with high crime rates, but you forgot that prevention is achieved by reducing the rates of high crime and not only through individual methods of confronting it.
Let's take the United States, for example, where individual possession of firearms is legally permitted (the stringency of laws varies from one state to another). In the United States, areas with a high rate of gun ownership are the same areas where armed robberies and theft are high. The toll of gun violence in the United States is estimated at approximately $100 billion annually, in addition to the costs related to awareness to avoid and prevent gun violence.
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(15)00072-0/abstract

The law allowing the possession of firearms may be useful in combating crime individually, but we should not forget that the criminals themselves can benefit from the same laws and it becomes easy for them to possess weapons for the purpose of committing their crimes, and this is what studies have proven.

So are you saying that in countries with no guns there's less murders?
Let's talk about the numbers then.

Nigeria has one of the highest intentional homicide numbers in the world with 22 per 100k inhabitants a year. It also has one of the lowest gun ownership rates with only 3 per 100 people.
On the opposite side we have countries like Finland with 32 guns per 100 people but only 1.6 homicides per 100k inhabitants.

Some notable countries with very high gun ownership but very low homicide rates:
Canada
Serbia
Austria
Norway
Switzerland

Good people don't use guns for bad things. Bad people use guns for bad things.

Making guns illegal is words on paper. Words on paper only stop good people from having guns; words don't stop the bad people.

Illegal guns kill cops. There are places in the US where cops won't go because guns will kill them.

Big 230 lb. Bully can easily rape, mug and murder a 95 lb. teenage girl. But if Girly has a gun, she has a chance... even if Bully has a gun, too.

It should be a requirement that all people wear at least a .38 when they go into the public. Then bad people would all get scared, and wouldn't use their guns for fear of getting shot. The good people with guns wouldn't harm anyone; a gun is simply another tool.

To be fair, all gun toters should be required to take a course on responsible gun toting.

Possession of firearm does more bad thing than good, for example it is the reason why most people get murdered in here so instead of making it legal for everyone why not make it illegal for every citizen and let the job of securing the community into the hands of police. Obviously the illegal/black market guns will be in circulation but the long term effect will be positive.

Everybody should own a gun in a society. I think this is not a good idea because, we human beings, we're individuals with differences temper, we don't have the same temper, our tempers are high them each other. So everyone should own a gun in society, it may cause a big problem in the future because one day they may get into a misunderstanding with each other and definitely shoot a person.
Even when you see a strong society, the only people's that you can see own a firearm are those who are leaders of the society. Even those leaders most likely have licenses that they can prove the gun, but there are some various communities that having a gun is very important because of insecurities.

I think even with that change of laws about allowing every citizen to protect themselves to carry a gun. I'd still choose not to, it also varies in which neighborhood you live and I know that even you know people in your surroundings, you just don't know when these criminal minds will attack even their neighbors. But I've got this belief that if I live by the gun then I'd die with a gun and IIRC, this is also in the scriptures but that's how I think right now. Maybe, I'm getting older and I just truly want a peaceful life and I let people do their own thing so I won't get bothered and I won't bother others too.
If the state allows to carry everyone guns, there's should be more restriction on who are allowed to carry. Because as much as we can see, this isn't the type of life that we want to live with and neighborhoods that have got these kind of people, you'll also be influenced with them and instead of living peacefully, you'd live in fear because you're aware that everyone is carrying their own arm. Anyway, I might be too confused or my reasoning is too complex but that's what I think suits for me and I don't want to get into it.

You are correct OP the need of having gun is very important for self defense considering the way the the world is now expecially the country I came from, the high level of insecurity there is too much and since the government are unable to do some thing about it I think is right for everyone to have a gun but affording it is very expensive and I believe that's the most reasons most people don't have it so the government needs to do something about it because, the news of killing, arm robbery, kidnapping is always regular so in other to put a stop on all these nonsense I think is to have a personal gun with license and I believe with this crime will reduce.

Actually it stops nonsense especially with these points that you have touched at but it also has other disadvantages like killing innocently or by using it against "innocent offenders".

Moreover, in societies where guns are licenced, we have seen innocent children dying from psychos who have taken arms to harrash school and killing pupils. I'm still on the fence in this topic because the purpose of licencing guns are most times appearing to be causing more harm than individual protection.

For self-protection, indeed you must have one because we are not living in a fairytale where neighborhoods are kind and loving people, there's no such thing unless you are living with your families in the community like how we used to be 20 years ago. we don't usually find any trouble because we can settle it easily since we are just families in the community but everything changes when other people come who migrate from their cities to avoid conflicts between families and when they get to our city, they become arrogant and picking fights almost every day and when bloodshed has happened that's when I realized that no matter how good a person you are, there's a possibility that they come after you without any particular reasons, that's why you need to have guns to scare them away or protect yourself from more harms comes from these guys.

If having guns makes your life secure then already government allocation guns for their citizen. But  No Government will allow that. Each government have some lwas as well as have force to control criminal activities and violence in society. And governments only allow these force to have guns to control. If everyone have guns, then nobody will follow rules and people with high temper, can shoot anyone even for a simple matter. Thus violence will get increased. But you can your others things to protect yourself instead of having guns.

Many people agreed and many disagreed with this statement. But in my opinion, having your own guns depends on how your socity is! I mean if most of the people of your society are good and well disciplined, gentleman. Then you don't need guns. Police force is enough for to handle some criminals who wanna crime in that socity. But if your society is full of criminal, most of people have guns, crime rate already increased a lot that Police Force are failed stopped and you are in danger, then you should have to have a guns for saving your life.