Topic: Alt possibilities for 4 high rank accounts (Read 1411 times)

No thanks, I'll pass, I have better things to do.

You seem to be taking my comments rather personally.  They weren't directed at you, but if you feel their applicable I can't stop you.  As for my posts in various threads; if you don't like them you can use that handy "ignore" button that's provided.

But, really, you think threads about a scamming casino are nothing-burgers?  Interesting take.

Very interesting, but someone already connected all your accounts with much bigger farm, so I guess your office is much bigger  
I always enjoy reading this stories, and this makes bitcointalk forum less boring place.

As if you don't post in nothin-burgers yourself all the time (for example 1xbit) and in the same time you are preaching others what to do while you are also posting here  

Who practiced their power in this case and how exactly?
Maybe you should research deeper connection this accounts have with others before you write some wisdom here... could be part of big farm of spammers.
I could say the same for anyone posts including yours... maybe nobody cares about your speculations and you have all the free time in the world, so enjoy it.

To summarize, this accounts did apply for same bounty campaigns before, and some of them are a part of big spammers list blacklist by actmyname:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/spammer-blacklist-the-shitlist-4440941

This will be my last post in this topic.

Exactly, some of these DT members here can't help with the urge of wanting to practice their "power". I too don't buy into the "office friends" b.s, but as long as no rules are being broken, no campaign is being cheated, and nobody is being scammed, who cares? except if you have all the free time in the world, and nothing better to do.

It is hard to argue against your views because (as you say) something fishy going on does not equate to facts and evidence.

Having said that I think the vast majority consensus in the thread is agreed upon there being suspicious behaviour and the accounts are connected beyond the story/explanation that one of the 4 accounts (Republikcoin.com) provided earlier.

For now it seems this situation will play out a little but longer because a second of the the four users posted here too...

If what you say is true, what are the names of all the forum accounts in your circle of friends that all work in the same place and all personally know each other?

I think it goes beyond the 4 names mentioned in the OP:

• Republikcoin.com
• Lantind
• bestcoins1
• Davian144

What could be the most solid evidence we could find is the connection of their addresses, which most of all alt accounts are caught, then the owner and the accounts should be banned. If the addresses are falling into a single address, then we can assume that the accounts are operated by one person. If he uses an extra layer not to get caught, then we can see if he used a mixer or any sort of.

as far as I am seeing, I don't see any violation. BUT there's an unwritten rule 

It's absolutely ridiculous that we're on page three of this nothing burger.

Lets assume everything the accused have said is a lie; they are all indeed owned by one individual; so what?  Has he broken the rules?  Let's see:

Merit exchange?  That's been addressed by theymos, nothing to see here.
Signature cheating?  Nope, the accounts registered in campaigns are registered in different ones.
Scamming?  No evidence of such.
Spamming?  That's subjective, but it's not an offense deserving of a red-tag.

All I see is they posted in the same topic, and used the same numbering system for their photos.  To be honest, I don't believe the tall tale of computer system rebuilds and friends working in the same office either, but who cares?

What is it you guys expect to accomplish here?

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These types of which hunts are more damaging to the reputation of the forum than anything these spamming alts have done.  In fact, if these accounts were to be tagged THAT would be spam, spamming of the Trust System.  

Overzealous DT members are more damaging to this forum than any spammer could hope to be!

Bitcointalk forum is not ''work'', except maybe for spammers who own account farms.

Ok very nice, so now you are confirming connection with this accounts, and you claim that you are friends.
Can you please tell us how many ''friends'' you exactly have in bitcointalk forum, and can you named them all?

It's not proven that you cheated or didn't cheat here, but it is strange to have similar behavior for all accounts, sharing merits, and participating in same topics.
I am not sure if you all participated in same campaign and shared same addresses, but doing this would be considered as cheating.

May I ask a direct question? Your account has a registration date of 2012. Is this your account from the start?

What can you say about the Koreadi account?

Why do I have such a question?

Koreadi account was selling social media accounts after he wanted to exchange them for a high-ranking account on this forum.





But according to reports, I see that no one was seduced by such an exchange, from which it can be concluded that you still bought someone else's account.




If you say that you know the rules of the forum, then you should know that buying other people's accounts is not welcome.

I can guess the same thing about what your friends did.

Is it wrong if a friend invites his friend to work ?
We know the rules of the campaign where everyone is not allowed to connect with each other and that is something we haven't done for a long time so we never connected until now because we always uphold the rules of this campaign and forum, even though in real life we are friends because we work in the same place.
And so far we have not cheated anyone and have never harmed anyone here because each account you say is owned by a different person.

For me, something isn't quite adding up. I don't know if that's because of the language barrier or if what they're saying is accurate. If it's accurate I wouldn't say that's evidence of anything, but rather something that should potentially be taken into consideration if more damning evidence is found.

I like facts, and even though I find their reasoning, and counter argument not convincing at all. That's isn't exactly evidence to me. Now, my personal opinion is something fishy is going on, and that's why I think there's merit to definitely investigate it further, and I wouldn't be surprised if the accounts are connected. However, that's just my personal interpretation, I can't act on that.

In that case, that might well be true. Although, now three have ignored it, and one responded. Does that change anything for you? Personally, it doesn't for me, and that was my original point. I'm not saying you're wrong in what your saying, just giving my two cents. I imagine plenty of users will disagree with me, and that's why we have a trust system setup like it is.

No ... I didn't think it was evidence. It just seemed unlikely that all four would ignore this topic and personal messages from other members, despite being active in the forum. Though I agree that I could have worded it differently.

It's funny in the very busy everyday conditions, all the accounts can still posts and reach the minimum requirement of the campaign. How can they have a times if it's really busy, anyone?

I only found Republikcoin.com, bestcoins1, and Lantind who tried to cheat a campaign, but that's doesn't mean Davian144 is free from this accusation. Because Republikcoin.com said he have a relation with Davian144, that's brought those 4 accounts into this accusation and should be tagged as well.

Both Republikcoin.com and bestcoins1 applying in the same campaign (OWL DAO signature campaign) in the same week.

posted by Republikcoin.com on 2021-12-29 11:41:08 UTC

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Both Republikcoin.com and Lantind applying in the same campaign (PrimeDAO)

posted by Lantind on 2020-11-04 06:07:52 UTC
(archived)

posted by Republikcoin.com on 2020-11-04 16:06:22 UTC
(archive)

(bounty link)

This what those 4 people looks like:

What about after reading his reasons explaining the correlation between the 4 accounts? Still no reason to believe it?

There's absolute no reason to believe they're linked simply because they all have ignored the message. That's not evidence, that's just a correlation, which as we all know doesn't equal causation. In similar effect, it doesn't really matter much whether they all reply here, two reply here or one replies here. That doesn't add anything to the evidence, at least at linking the accounts. I'm aware that one has now replied, but that simple fact doesn't change anything. Although, their explanation is down to interpretation.

English Patrol Scuad, has provided at least some evidence to why they're suspicious of the accounts, although its probably not enough in its current state. Unless, more damning evidence appears, I'm afraid not much can be done.

100% these accounts are operated by one person. He slipped up in a couple of ways that are overwhelmingly pointing towards it.

Really? How many people do you expect to believe the story you spun?

Usually there are one or two excuses given when someone tries to defend their actions but what you posted reads like a litany of excuses...

What is stopping you from coming clean and admit that you are operating not just these 4 accounts but others too?

First of all, I apologize for being late in responding to this, because actually we are very busy every day serving customers in our shop so this has been neglected and this is not something we did on purpose.
The four of us actually work in a computer shop in our area and one day the personal devices that Davian144 and Bestcoin1 often use suffered a slight damage that required repairs and also upgrading the components of the device to a better version because they did not have enough funds. to buy a new device.

And because previously Lantind and I also wanted to upgrade the devices we had, so we also decided to do it simultaneously because considering we work in the same place so it can be easier to do this. So because this is what forces us to use the same device, namely the computer at our workplace to do routine postings alternately. Because we don't usually post via the smartphones we have.

Which on that computer at that time could not access Imgur unless we had to use a VPN, the place where we used it to upload the images we needed. So we are all forced to use the imgbb site to upload images and usually we also never make any edits to the screenshots we take. This is what actually happened, please understand.

Once again sorry for the delay

There is no doubt that all four accounts have read your message and seen this thread, but he or they have chosen to ignore it and not reply. I think this may also indicate they are linked together.
Aside from the merit transfer, did they break any other forum or bounty rules? Simply putting a neutral tag on their accounts may be enough to warn bounty managers that these accounts are likely to be alts.

I posted in threads these accounts last posted:

I checked before you posted, all of them have logged in after the PM was sent to them. I did not check to see if they posted elsewhere but they have been active. I hope they respond here soon.

I believe all four accounts have received and read your message. all of them are active and even make posts on multiple threads.
even though they are not active in the reputation thread, my assumption is, that all accounts have seen this thread, but prefer to remain silent and ignore their case.
hopefully, there will be one or 3 other accounts that will soon confirm the case concerning his reputation.

Oh how I wish this were true.  Look at all these rabid Derek-Chauvinesque rentacops salivating at the prospect of tagging these four accounts.  Why?  Because they're ALTS of one another!  OHZNOZ!  ALTSZEZ!

Even though they've done nothing abusive and it's not against the rules to have alts, according one rentacop they need to show up to this thread and tell us why they shouldn't be tagged.  Sounds stupid, doesn't it?

It used to be. I mean members used to tag merit abusers but not anymore since the admin made an statement about it. He did not encourage tagging for merit. The trust system is encouraged to use for financial deals. For example if anyone get scammed or lose money then tag the scammer. Things like that.

Following on from my PM to the four accounts yesterday, all have signed in to the forum this morning but none have posted here. There is circumstantial evidence to link them together but he/they should start posting in this thread to either confirm the accounts are linked or deny the allegations by presenting their case.

I will help you with a link. I also had a misunderstanding of this attitude towards merit transfer, but LoyceV showed me a link, after which I agreed not to tag people for such things. If the merit is not sold but transferred, and there is no abuse, this is not considered a big problem.
Actually, I think so, too. In the end, all people are revealed by their behavior on the forum, someone can earn merits, but it's easier for someone to transfer to himself.

Oh. I believe this is the first time I am reading this and for the record, a lot of accounts were red-tagged for possibly trading of merit but what you're saying here is that the admin doesn't want anyone to be tagged for doing so.
Could you please provide me a link to back this up because I need to be reassured that what you're saying is true?

I've also taken the good initiative of informing them of the suspicions in this thread beforehand via PM, but sadly they didn't respond and probably ignored them.

But wait, it looks like dkbit98 is getting angry with the actions of the 4 accused accounts and started sending neutral tags to all accounts. I hope it will force all of them to show their face here to clarify things that may be wrong/right.

There is no conclusive evidence, but there has been suspicious activity nonetheless. This is especially evident by looking at screenshots and their titles, and that they are all posted in the same thread. It is almost impossible to consider this a coincidence. Another "coincidence" is that all accounts were active in the Indonesian local board.

Yet again you need to understand that admin does not want anyone to tag for abusing merit unless a source is doing it. The source will be removed from the merit source list.

Man you are making a pottery there 🤣
Obviously you are enjoying it.

I just sent a PM to all four names mentioned in the OP and asked them to post here in the thread. Hopefully they will post their response to the allegations soon so they can state their position.

Somehow this thread has stopped refining the evidence supporting abuse of merit, abuse of campaigns and ban evasion of the 4 accused accounts. All the accused accounts also never bothered to clarify the OP's suspicions against him, it's the most support thing that all accounts are owned by the same person. If my negative tag could force them all to appear here, then I would ^{[but sadly I'm not on DT].}

For the same reason, it is by no means surprising.

Actually, Theymos Allows creating alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. We often see brand new or newbie accounts creating Scam accusations/Reputation threads/Reporting Known alts. Do you guys think it's surprising? I don't think so since the forum allows that, and it's the safest way to not get any personal attack on your main account.

As I said before, I have tried to PM one of the 4 accused accounts clarifying the issue in the thread but till now he is ignoring my PM. I know they've changed their habits based on the evidence the OP presented next, but there's nothing we can do as long as nobody forces them to come out of hiding.

Logically, if the above 4 accounts are not alts then one or two of them must have different thoughts and will clarify it but so far I think all of them have the same way and just shut up and watch.

I'm pretty sure they are alts, but without stronger evidence I don't think DT will take action against them. So I think a little coercion might be useful here. So, a special request for the 4 accounts involved, give us a few words to refute the allegations leveled against you. I feel if you ignore it then you deserve to be called an alt regardless of whether you blame the merit system or the campaign.

Meanwhile, the accused are not even bothering coming out to at least defend themselves, which makes me think that maybe there is some truth to what OP posted. Someone who knows they are not guilty of anything such as merit exchange would have already tried to reason out why he/she is not connected to the other accounts.

I don't expect anyone of you at DT to tag these 4 accounts based on the evidence I got, but you will have to research further to make a decision.

I'm just presenting some evidence that I think leads to something that can be considered strong especially regarding screenshot numbers, posting patterns and abuse of merit.

One of the strongest evidence at this time is Lantind is the alt of the other 6 accounts and he has been doing ban evasion. Then Davian144 and Bestcoins1 tried to apply for the same campaign but only Davian144 was accepted.

Thanks for your efforts to detect alt accounts. As a general forum member, I am pretty sure they are an alt account. But as a DT member, I won't tag based on the evidence that you presented here. Having alt accounts isn't a crime, but abuse & cheat with an alt account is a crime. So you may keep them on the eye to find more solid evidence that would help tag them. But I think they will be aware from now since accounts are already in question.

Once upon a time I would tag accounts if I knew they were alts and I saw them having bizarre conversations with each other in the same thread, which I considered egregious spamming....and then the merit system came along, my blood pressure went down, and I'd no longer engage in that kind of tagging.  So yeah, I agree that if a bunch of accounts appear to be the same person but aren't enrolled in the same bounty/campaign, it's not an issue for DT members to take care of, as annoying as it might be.

Heh heh, well there's that too.  On the other hand, this isn't the first time I've seen new accounts kick off their bitcointalk career by trying to bust scammers.  That doesn't really raise any red flags IMO.

The problem is that there isn't anything for DT members to do unless there's solid proof that those four accounts have broken a forum or bounty rule or committed some kind of tag-worthy infraction.  The evidence has to be solid enough to withstand scrutiny by the community for having been given by a DT member, because any DT member who hands out too many wrong feedbacks is going to get booted off the DT list eventually.

No hesitate, all of them exist on 1 person.

OP, you can say they are alts and blame the merit system and campaign but you have to be aware that your efforts will be in vain without really accurate evidence.

I've PMed one of those accounts but he just ignored my PM when I asked about the possibility, and I don't think they're going to talk here. It would be nice if someone could invite them to clarify the situation in this thread. Either way then I think the problem will be solved if they clarify the situation because ignoring and snooping will only lead people to speculate further.

You're right, but when I don't blame him for anything, I don't think it's a problem. What you need to think about is the issue of the 4 high ranking accounts I've mentioned in this thread as most of you seem to only care about newbie scammers for shitt-token and worthless altcoin.

The thread you are referring to is actually for the proven guilty account, but this thread was specially created by me to identify those 4 accounts and will only post them there once there is solid evidence that they are cheating.

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Here is some evidence that I will present for your further consideration:

Lantind had unusual merit transactions from 6 other accounts for 1 big transaction:
1. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=kenelmark [25 merit]
2. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=aryana42 [25 merit]
3. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=lukmandog [25 merit]
4. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=infarterr [21 merit]
5. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=Surrapatt [21 merit]
6. https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Lantind&from=ahmia39 [21 merit]

and all of the 6 accounts above are alt tag by marlboroza. Some of them have been auto-ban and some still haven't. Then why don't I think Lantind is the alt of the 6 accounts above?

Proof: https://i.ibb.co/280WfQY/alt-acc.png


Then, 3 other accounts (Davian144, Republikcoin.com, and Bestcoins1) exchanged services and after this thread was created, the habit of posting pictures completely changed. None of them now have a serial number on the image so I think they really are the alt of the same owner.

I don't have much of a way to prove it, but YOSHIE, lovesmayfamilis and Awaklara or maybe Jolygood and some other cheat detector detector might help.

Here's some more evidence when the accounts applied to the campaign.

Two accounts (Davian166 and Bestcoins1) have applied to the same campaign: [CFNP]FortuneJack.com| Signature Campaign | Sr. Members+ ~ Earn up to $100/Week!

https://ninjastic.space/post/59288537
https://ninjastic.space/post/59294468


Then the change I mean now is that they don't post pictures that have serial numbers anymore. All accounts are now changed and most have edited it to remove traces.





If indeed these 4 accounts are not alt and cheater and spammers, then why did everything change, edit and so on?

Based on the OP investigation, we cannot claim these accounts as alts.

They may be alt, but we can't do anything ^{[tag them]} except cheat the campaign and you can prove it with other findings like wallet connections, social media and more.

At this point the findings are quite important considering they are high ranking members, but it looks like you failed to get the attention of many people here to reveal them.

It's a bit suspicious actually, but I think it's still weak enough to draw conclusions without any other supporting evidence. If you have other evidence you can reveal it in a dedicated thread as some have suggested.

OP, it's more likely that your account is an alt too. We know it's almost impracticable for a newbie account to know how to hunt down alts when they haven't even got used to navigating the forum. With just seven posts to your credit you're already acting detective. How credible is that? Anyway, your suspicion of them being alts isn't concrete enough if what you've got on them is posting style coincidence. You've to provide strong and veritable evidence like wallet address connections and other formats used in the Known Alts of Any-one thread.

If you want to accuse any user of using alt to abuse the merit system you'll need to provide a piece of strong evidence which i believe will be far more than posting style because people from the always have the same posting style and recommend by the above user.
I will advise you to post your claim in the Known Alts of any-one thread

I think you would have posted this to the thread were users who is noted to commit crime of  cheating in bounty are posted, below are the link

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2022 Q2) this link was render to you before by Bitcoin_Arena, so think this your finding will get more traffic or attention through this specific place

I've been looking at their profiles and it doesn't seem so clear to me that Lantind is alt of the other two. Then, it is true that Republikcoin, bestcoins1 and Davian144 have given some merits to each other but the rest of the merits have been spread a lot among other members. So I don't see any merit abuse, and there is from theymos saying that the only relevant thing you should red tag regarding this would be for having bought or sold merit, which is hard to prove. Or something like that, I don't remember exactly but I can't find the quote just by googling.

I'm in DT and it doesn't seem worth even a neutral tag to me, unless they admit it. Davian144 and Lantind already have a relevant neutral tag for spammers.

Even if they were alts, they are part of different signature campaings, so they don't break the rules either.

They might be alts, which according to the forum rules is allowed. So, I don't think any DT member may tag the accounts on grounds that they are just alt accounts posting in gambling section or exchanging merits {at least in the past, accounts engaged in merit abuse have not been tagged}
But if you have any good proof showing that they for example cheated in signature campaigns, contests, involved in trust manipulations etc., Now might be the right time to add that.

I have very basic suspicions about 4 high ranking accounts after watching their activity for a long time in one of the threads on the gambling board.

Here's a list of accounts:

• Republikcoin.com
• Lantind
• bestcoins1
• Davian144

I noticed the posting styles of these 4 accounts had the same thing in common when posting image, and it made me think they were owned by the same person. They are Indonesian users based on the language used in the posting history and if they are alt then they have also abused the merit system based on their merit transaction history.

I need some input and maybe some more valid proof from yours to determine if they are alt or not as every image they upload have have identical serial numbers at the end which is usually just a sequence of screenshot numbers on the same device. This is evidence from their last 5 image posts.

All quotes taken in one thread: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....




Pay attention to the screenshot numbers, very neatly arranged in each account. What is the percentage chance that they are alts in your opinion?