Topic: Alternatives to Permabans for plagarism - page 5. (Read 22209 times)

It literally can work as a solution. Ban those users = they can't plagiarize anymore. Easy.

This is an online forum and not the judiciary system. There is no need to give the opportunity for them to "be heard" because they only get banned when there is plenty of proof of plagiarism. No one is going to get banned wrongfully for that.

In which way? They will just stay out of the forum or with alts waiting for the ban to run out, then they will come back with the spam. A permaban is a permanent and simple solution for the account plagiarizing.

The forum doesn't need more money.

I thought cryptohuner is at gim.
How about cheating merit system? Or spreading FUD using words of other people and spreading them over and over again? Not saying anyone is doing or did this, I only say it could happen.
Where would you pull line?

look @ them right now searching years of posts using plagarism as a weapon trying to silence cryptohunter


first marbroza trys to stop him with fake red trust and had to remove


then one of the gangs socks thought he had him on C&P but source was in the posts the entire time https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48790244



now marbroza  is try again with 2014 posts during the hight of epic battle against scammers giving valuable information without ""proper"" sourcing https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48828854


   all because  a merit argue


should not be applied other than cheating sigspam 4 post count

I believe everybody desires a second chance no matter the mistakes they had have done. Permabans is basically not the solution to stop people from plagiarizing on this forum. Looking at the real world system of Justice,  before someone is convicted for a crime, the person is given the opportunity to be heard via the judiciary system. Once guilty, they are fined or imprisoned for either years or months. Deploying this system into the forum will be very useful than permabans. In terms of fining offenders, this income can help the forum.   

Can you demonstrate where it is off topic....quote it here

Can we keep this thread on topic, please?

Can I ask why you need to be part of the decision process without

1. giving your reasoning behind which ever choices you voted for
2. demonstrate why someone like you who merits a report from an obvious sock puppet 1 day old with no posts to remove a legend that has posted nothing wrong should not be banned yourself at once. answer right now

I mean you are a div just look at some of the statments you have made on the merit thread when trying to respond to me

I would say such a person needs to demonstrate your opinion is even valid and not a pollution and distraction from reaching an optimal solution for getting rid of financially motivated spammers (like you with your high paid sig) and keeping net positive members here who make the odd mistake but overall pay into the system a lot more in terms of real value than idiots like you that just want to spam your sig and sound important.

I mean someone like you with no accomplishments here ever in the big scale of things trying on some twisted cowardly sock puppet report to remove a net positive legend that has had an illustrious posting history makes you actually WAY MORE NET NEGATIVE than a some new spammers who get less that your and tie up less board resources than your sig spamming dumb ass.

Get it now you are part of that gang that tried to silence me and I still see you begging on even though bones just told you you will need a lot more so keep looking you brainless cretin. Pull some more stats the same as I produced from some merits from your pals whilst demonstrating your merits are reduced to dust if you keep to the criteria i asked for in the first place which you refused to produce but still quote me in your op.

fucking net negative skid stain ALSO SUCH MOON JUST SAID YOU WILL REMOVE YOUR SIG FOR 2 YEARS COME AND PROVE HIM CORRECT. HE AGREED TO MY DEAL SO I ASSUME HE ALREADY CONSULTED YOU.

ChiBitCTy has been banned much longer than Roboabhishek. If he would have had a temporary ban, he would be unbanned by now. Roboabhishek would be the second best choice from what I've seen, although maybe less obvious of deserving it than ChiBitCTy. For reference: my opinion on ChiBitCTy.
Can we make those 2 a "test case", open for public scrutiny?

Don't worry because I am giving you an opportunity to set a good example All over again.

I just told such moon

Gang members will remove theirs for 2 years and I will remove mine for 2 years.

He has agreed to remove it and the others will do so soon too.

Can't wait. I know you will be certainly up for it too. Because you are a real enthusiast and not a sig spammer.

I voted for:
..although second option looks much better because users will have to earn their signature space again and they will be forced to write constructive posts if they want to monetize account again.

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You had your chance when I had removed my highly donating FJ signature in exchange to not payed signature because of dealing with ignorant people https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41512909

You forgot to attach the evidence that we're supposed to refute. You're also off topic. Your personal grievances go here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptohunters-problem-with-the-top-200-merit-receivers-5086297

Another idea might be that every user at Bitcointalk gets a PM from the system or admin with the clue that copy and paste is not allowed.

And if an account is found that has copy and paste done, it will be banned!
For new accounts this PM could then be automatically sent by the system!

So nobody can say he did not know about it!

And the handling of copy and paste stuff is punished with Ban!
Possible ban handling for the first time 2 months break for the user and 2 times perma ban!

Or as it is right now , direct perma Ban , because through the PM it everyone knows !

It's just an idea . 

1)  You asked me for a list of my accomplishments on bitcointalk, which is the reason I mentioned being in the Chipmixer campaign.
2)  My point wasn't that I was in a high-paying campaign but one that is competitive, very selective, and doesn't employ shitposters.

I told you, I'm not bragging about anything.  All of those "accomplishments" I listed could be taken away from me in a heartbeat (DT status, being a merit source, being in Chipmixer), and I fully accept that.  

Other people thought I was worthy enough to have those things.  I didn't ask to be on DT or to be a merit source.  The only thing I asked for was a position in the Chipmixer campaign.  

I'm not boasting that I'm such a great bitcointalk member that I deserve those things, because that's not something I believe--those "accomplishments" are things I'm grateful for, because people have put their trust in me to do a good job in a sig campaign; to not be a power-tripper and abuse the trust system; to not use my merit source status for personal gain and to distribute merits properly; etc.  Those are things I have to do my best to live up to and although I can sometimes come off as arrogant or cocky, I'm not boasting.  

And FYI, I'm not looking to be a moderator (you made that assertion in one of your rants IIRC), and I clearly stated that in the thread where people voted for who'd be the best new mods (if any were ever chosen):

Agree with a previous comment, ChiBitCty is a prime candidate for considering reinstating into the forum.

Theymos has implemented "temp sig ban" feature in 2017 year. Strangely that Global mods still can't do the same thing.

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     I personally think permanently banning signatures from an account along with a temporary posting ban of 30 days should be implemented for plagiarism. By permanently banning the signature, you effectively make the account worthless for signature campaigns. This will combat the most common offenders of copy/paste spam: account farmers and sig campaign spammers. I also think a temporary ban of 30 days should be implemented as well. If an account farmer/sig spammer decides to move on immediately to post with their alts, if they get caught, then their alts can get permanently banned for ban evasion. I realize that linking alts together can be tricky; however, some of these copy/paste spammers make stupid mistake like using the same address to receive bounty payments.

Is what cryptohunter?? more like such moon that idiot is more likely to have been creating puppet accounts than me if you take time to investigate that imbecile.

The motive is always the important thing here. People who are saying there is no difference here between any copy and paste are fools that have already had their arguments torn to shreds but do not reply and run away and hide.

Let me give you a simple stupid analogy that any one even suchmoon and perhaps even the pharmacist or maybe even loyceV can follow without his tiny brain collapsing in public and running away crying or saying you will go on ignore

1. I come home my garden fence has been damaged and several panels are missing. So is my dog.
2. I report it to the police.

scenario 1

Police find it is some asshole using the planks he ripped off for himself to make wooden objects for which he is getting paid for and my dog has escaped and ran under a car:(

scenario 2.

Police say some guy ripped the planks off to lay on to the frozen lake beside your house to save your dear dog drowning since it escaped and fallen through a hole people had been fishing through. He has rescued the dog which police  bring back but the guy is in hospital in a bad way.


Do you want us to apply the same  punishment in both cases? let's punish them the same right...ripped my panels clean off the fence fuck the intention or result of the actions.

I would (especially as this poll is in meta ) request a public poll where people state their opinions and ground them with some reasonable case as to what the optimal action to achieve keeping net positive members will be.

There is no point counting the opinion of someone who does not clearly understand the problem if you want to reach an optimal result.

People should say their view and the justify it and make sure under scrutiny they understood what they were voting for.

Anyway the polls shows that the majority want other action that allows for financially motivated spammers removed because they are net negative and to retain net positive members even if they were lazy or made a mistake they can post just with no sigs.

I SAY REMOVE ALL SIGS FOR EVERYONE FOR EVER AND SEE WHO IS LEFT IS THE BEST IDEA.

I BET A LOT OF THESE TOP MERIT HOADERS , DT TRUST  ALL WITH THEIR HIGH PAID SIGS POSTING EVERYWHERE WILL BE GONE.

I CHALLENGED THEM TO REMOVE THEIR SIGS FOR A YEAR AND I WILL DO IT TO0. TO PROVE THEY ARE NOT JUST AS BAD AS THE NOOBS THEY DERIDE FOR TRYING TO MONETISE THIS BOARD. NONE WILL DO IT

PHARMACIST WOULD RATHER BOAST AS HIS BEST ACCOMPLISHMENT HERE ON THIS BOARD IS TO BE ADDED TO A TOP PAID SIG CAMPAIGN.

@suchmoon - you are a proven moron whom makes crazy statements about "most pre merit legends are scammers" and sticks to it. Disrespectful dumb ass noob.

Also part of a gang here trying to silence people via cowardly methods you scumbag. I just love crushing your mind in public and demonstrating you are a moron over and over until your mind collapses like a rotten pumpkin and you just sit there shouting ludicrous mad comments over and over.

suchmoon is such a fucking thick turd that he just attempted to use this copy and paste bullshit to get shut me down again after the red trust crap failed 2 days ago because i could demonstrate full abuse there. This is a tool they want to keep open for any mistakes they find.

I strongly suspect this cowardly jackal created a 1 day old  puppet account to report me for copy and paste and that i was claiming original source WHILST I WAS FIGHTING A REAL SCAM NOT HIDING HERE PLAYING WHACK AMOLE THINKING HE IS IMPORTANT AND TRYING TO SILENCE ANYONE WHO GOES AGAINST HIM. Sadly though that gang of dumb fucks are so retarded they can not even do that properly and fucked it up just adding power to MY ARGUMENT THAT YOU NEED TO SEE IF THE PERSON IS NET POSITIVE FIRST and what the copy and paste was about before trying to ban them.

How can you say someone is claiming the work as their own if the link to original source is listed in the same post 2nd link at the bottom? you dumb cunt suchmoron.

Even so that information was created by someone in anon coin to support my claim that dash was an instamined SCAM COIN THAT NEARLY PUSHED BITCOIN IN TO POSITION 2 AT ONE TIME and if we had not highlighted to the entire board through the largest war on the alt board ever that it was a scam and forced evan duffield to break down and offer an air drop THAT WAS AT ONE TIME WORTH BILLIONS  then it could have quite easily pushed btc into number 2 spot.

THIS gang of NO LEGENDS THAT HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING EVER HERE EVEN AFTER I CHALLENGED THEM TO PRODUCE THEIR FINEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS - guess what pharmacist lists as his best accomplishment here LOL HE JOINED A HIGH PAYING SIG CAMPAIGN  HAHAHAAH THIS DUMD FAILURE WANTS TO SEE ME BANNED THAT FUCKING RETARDED PATHETIC FOOL WHO SPAMS HIS SIG HERE FOR PENNIES AFTER BEING HERE YEARS???  you want to listen to the opinions of these fucking cowards and dishonest fools.

Get rid of this gang of jackals and scum. Corruption near the top is far more dangerous than some poor wretches at the bottom.... they can be dealt with quite easily.

TO SOLVE ALL MAJOR ISSUES REMOVE SIGS FOR EVERYONE. And break this gang into pieces and hurry up.

Don't even comment on my post unless you can refute with evidence what I say. The only people that want to comment without providing evidence for what they say and their opinions are either part of the gang or their dumb ass kissers hoping for some merit crumbs.

NOW BRING ME EVIDENCE WITH YOUR REBUTTAL OR FUCK OFF.

Most likely.


If we're doing this we should probably add the honeymoon guy:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-legendary-account-has-been-banned-i-accept-my-punishment-now-what-5056278

The excuse is about as credible at those other two and nobody found any other signs of copypasta yet.

I disagree with unbanning Roboabhishek BTW (having someone create posts for your sig campaign should be ban-worthy in its own right) but I'll admit that other reasonable users vouching for him is a fairly good argument that it's an uncharacteristic lapse in judgement and the person might be capable of learning from it. Let's just please not make this excuse a valid one going forward.

I'd personally leave it as it is now, keep the permaban.
Plagiarism is just so easy to avoid, in almost all cases it's a deliberate action of the user and should be met with the harshest punishment possible.

Now, I do understand that there might be some cases where the user didn't intend to plagiarize and merely forgot to post a source link.
Those cases are pretty easy to spot though, thus before issuing a permaban, mods should be absolutely certain that the user's intent was to plagiarize.