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Topic: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion - page 146. (Read 223316 times)

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This is a train wreck waiting to happen. Not for the company, but for the investors. Pirateat40 part deux. GLTA.
"If you make your Investors successful, you will be successful"
Most miners know that your "annual revenue" numbers are deceptive (I would say fraudulent), many of your investors probably do not.
forecasting revenue using today's difficulty on machines you do not even possess has no purpose but to deceive as you know the difficulty level will not be "today's level" when you receive your first six machines let alone your chips.


You must have missed that fact that I am taking 50% of the revenue to purchase more machines to keep the revenue stream consistent.  Also, this is the only way to estimate the revenue stream.  I fully disclose that this is based on today's difficulty so that makes it neither deceptive or fraudulent.
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Be A Digital Miner
This is a train wreck waiting to happen. Not for the company, but for the investors. Pirateat40 part deux. GLTA.
"If you make your Investors successful, you will be successful"
Most miners know that your "annual revenue" numbers are deceptive (I would say fraudulent), many of your investors probably do not.
forecasting revenue using today's difficulty on machines you do not even possess has no purpose but to deceive as you know the difficulty level will not be "today's level" when you receive your first six machines let alone your chips.
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This is a train wreck waiting to happen. Not for the company, but for the investors. Pirateat40 part deux. GLTA.

"If you make your Investors successful, you will be successful"
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AMC To Add Massive Amounts Of Hashing Power

SPRINGFIELD, MO, – May 26, 2013 – VMC a manufacturer of the Fast-Hash Bitcoin Mining Machines has announced today that they will purchase a full batch (10,000) of Avalon chips to build ~29 Fast-Hash-80's for AMC should AMC provide the capital in the next few weeks, this would bring AMC machine total to 39 units. The 39 machines will bring the cooperatives hash power to 3,504,000 MH/s, 3,504 GH/s, or 3.504 TH/s. At the current Difficulty of 12,153,411.71 this will bring the estimated total revenue as of this writing to a total of $19,280.28 per day and a yearly amount of $5,398,450.75. AMC is a hybrid mining and development cooperative and a business unit of VMC.

6 Avalons, plus 33 more Fast-Hash-80's to be built = Total Revenue In A Year Of $5,398,450.75 As Of Today.
Take 50% To Purchase New Machines To Keep The Revenue Up As The Difficulty Increases.

Capitalize the remaining revenue at 5%,  Value =  $53,984,507.50

So the value of income from the machines that will be built plus the Avalon's owned by the cooperative is = ~$54 Million or $1.349612687/share or 0.101497532 BTC / share

Now, consider the fact that AMC will use the proceeds from the IPO to develop an ASIC for Bitcoin Mining and/or to purchase more mining equipment, you can easily see where the shares in the future could be worth quite a bit more.

In addition, VMC will be paying AMC a 10% royalty on any machines it sells with AMC technology and you have
a cooperative where the share price could explode to the upside.  
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AMC To Add Massive Amounts Of Hashing Power

SPRINGFIELD, MO, – May 26, 2013 – VMC a manufacturer of the Fast-Hash Bitcoin Mining Machines has announced today that they will purchase a full batch (10,000) of Avalon chips to build ~29 Fast-Hash-80's for AMC should AMC provide the capital in the next few weeks, this would bring AMC machine total to 39 units. The 39 machines will bring the cooperatives hash power to 3,504,000 MH/s, 3,504 GH/s, or 3.504 TH/s. At the current Difficulty of 12,153,411.71 this will bring the estimated total revenue as of this writing to a total of $19,280.28 per day and a yearly amount of $5,398,450.75. AMC is a hybrid mining and development cooperative and a business unit of VMC.
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I like the idea of spacing out the blocks of 500k in .0001 increments instead of throwing them all out at .0005. The earlier you invest, the lower price you get in at.
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This is a train wreck waiting to happen. Not for the company, but for the investors. Pirateat40 part deux. GLTA.
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Yeah back to something more constructive. AMC is the NDA specifically saying that you can't disclose the name of the semiconductor company? NDAs usually have a whitelist the information to be kept confidental. Hearing the company name and maybe even verifying that the AMC is in the talks with said semiconductor company would increase trust quite a bit and bring AMC more capital.

I am working on doing this exact thing.  However, it is more proprietary information than NDA.
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Motion 3rded. Let's move on.

Can you tell us anything about this "Major Semiconductor Company"? Who are they? What have they made before?

*disclosure I own AMC shares.

Sorry, under NDA.
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Yeah back to something more constructive. AMC is the NDA specifically saying that you can't disclose the name of the semiconductor company? NDAs usually have a whitelist the information to be kept confidental. Hearing the company name and maybe even verifying that the AMC is in the talks with said semiconductor company would increase trust quite a bit and bring AMC more capital.
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It was so bad that it was almost as if there was a conflict of interest. As if they owned a competing security and were trying to put it down... but I digress.

Is there a due date, waiting line, or tracking# for the 6 Avalons?

No, the orders just show Processing.  I will do a Press Release as soon as the order status changes.

I am hoping to see a status change this next week.
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That was a nice 100k buy. Thanks  Grin
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Another 100k was just picked up. Ask wall in the 300s now. That's not to say that another ask wall won't be put back up (I believe there will); however buying interest is always good.
legendary
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It was so bad that it was almost as if there was a conflict of interest. As if they owned a competing security and were trying to put it down... but I regress.

Is there a due date, waiting line, or tracking# for the 6 Avalons?

I believe there was a conversation Ken had with Mr Avalon at the conference, where delivery may take place this coming week. You would have to take that as a stock response, as im sure they would have been asked the same question from many purchasers.
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People are chewing away at the 500k ask, and we are now into the 400s, so that's at least some good news Smiley
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It was so bad that it was almost as if there was a conflict of interest. As if they owned a competing security and were trying to put it down... but I digress.

Is there a due date, waiting line, or tracking# for the 6 Avalons?
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Lets move on, its been 3 pages of people talking the IPO thing to death. Points have been made let the readers and investors decide for themselves what to do with the info.
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Motion 3rded. Let's move on.


Totally agree


Can you tell us anything about this "Major Semiconductor Company"?


If I understand correctly what "NDA" means, no, he can't.
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Motion 3rded. Let's move on.

Can you tell us anything about this "Major Semiconductor Company"? Who are they? What have they made before?

*disclosure I own AMC shares.
legendary
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(...) The offering price will be 0.0005 Bitcoins (...)

100 million shares at 0.0005 BTC/share - does that mean that a month-old company whose only apparent tangible assets is a non-delivered order for 6 avalon machines has a value of USD 6.6 million?

No, the capitalization is the number of issues shares times the share price.  This would be 40,000,000 * .0005 = $2,640,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_capitalization

Understand.

Company: established 2 months ago, assets amounting to one non-delivered order of 6 avalon machines (and some plans about future growth). Market value: USD 2.6 million.

Correct?

Yes, that is correct.

CEO: liar and a manipulator

1) Liar because he made a public false statement that he had shares at 0.0005 when in fact he did not. He subsequently claimed it was a mistake, that he had shares there just a few minutes ago, but this is impossible to do by accident, because he added exactly one share for sale at 0.0005 upon making his statement, and would thus know exactly how many he had there, and since he had moved his ask away from 0.0005 minutes beforehand, he would also know that piece of information. Impossible to do by accident. This is verifiable by anyone with the channel logs and the bid/ask history (which unfortunately would only be bitfunder). The reason I know is because I was the only other ask at 0.0005.

2) Manipulator because he successfully sold shares above 0.0005 and then down to 0.0005 over and over again. Upon discovering this practice, we see that people are feeling tricked and cheated. What looked like an open market was being sold into repeatedly down to 0.0005 by someone with over 39 million shares to sell. This is fact and can be corroborated by the trade history and by the reduction in share counts in the assets list.


So, you may argue the lie was small. You may argue that the manipulation was permitted by the contract. Both plausible positions to take. But it's not plausible to argue that Ken slaughter is trustworthy. On that basis, the asset is worthless.

You are right, you were trying to frame me and you did, so congratulations on your plan.  You are just a speculator that got caught and now your're mad.  Any LONG TERM investor in
AMC will be way ahead on their investment in the LONG RUN.  AMC, in its actions, were trying to raise funds to purchase more machines from VMC to make the "LONG TERM INVESTORS" more return on their investment.  Also you may notice that this is a self-moderated thread, but I did not delete your comments.  The reason for not deleting your post is that I believe in Freedom Of Speech; however, you must be 100% truthful in your comments.

Caught in a lie, and still trying to carry on. I wasn't trying to frame you. I stated you had no asks at 0.0005 because I was the only ask at the time. You added one share at that price, and then stated that you did have shares  at that price. Which was a lie. Framing you would mean making you look guilty for something you didn't do. But you did this, and you've acknowledged it. You are the CEO of the company and you are publicly lying about your share selling activity. And the IPO isn't even over yet. And you dare suggest that I am the one who needs to be 100% truthful? Hey, I'm not the liar here.

Can you please continue this conversation in PMs. We know what you are saying and have heard you say it repeatedly. I personally don't want to hear about it anymore. The dog has been beaten, beaten, and beaten again.

I'll second that motion.
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