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Topic: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion - page 40. (Read 223316 times)

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Yes, we have decided to use BFL chips in our Fast-Hash-XXX series of machines.  So yes, thank you very much.

Why? I understand that the Avalon chips are alrady ordered and will be a fast way to add more hashing power, but why getting involved with a third hardware maker instead on focusing on our* own chips?

*I'm a shareholder, and I'm here to stay in the long term, so honest question trying to understand the plan.

Yes, those Avalon chips will be used for mining, but remember that VMC can always buy more chips from different hardware manufacturers for selling systems at a profit.

Ofc all efforts should be done to bring the Fast-Hash-ONE chip as soon as possible.
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Hodl!
Ken, I know this is probably small fish...

However; I still have my credit for 16 chips at BFL, would you like these gratis to put into AMC/VMC?

Yes, we have decided to use BFL chips in our Fast-Hash-XXX series of machines.  So yes, thank you very much.

Hmmm I'm still hoping to sell mine, any chance of a trade for shares? If so, I'd do one 16 pack for now. PM if you want to make it a one off and not open the floodgates.
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Every little helps Smiley

Can you PM details on who/how to transfer them across from my account please.

Ken, I know this is probably small fish...

However; I still have my credit for 16 chips at BFL, would you like these gratis to put into AMC/VMC?

Yes, we have decided to use BFL chips in our Fast-Hash-XXX series of machines.  So yes, thank you very much.
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I'm on the opposite side: I won't have any confidence on a guy that can't disconnect now and then and get the head clear. But I personally know I need it very much.
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To be honest Kenneth taking a break for a few days will drop the share price significantly as investors wont be happy seeing lack of progress on the merge, I already sold my shares at .002 and will be waiting to see what happens after Independence Day

I would think not having confidence in a company because they take national holidays is a bit irrational. However you are right in a way, I raised my eyebrows when Ken said he was off on his hols at this crucial time when a lot  of discussion is going on. But after thinking about it I think he's just not a business minded guy in the PR sense. He could have not mentioned the hols which would have been the smart move but as he did I see it as him just being honest - as opposed to trying to keep up sweet. So a good sign.
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Yes, we have decided to use BFL chips in our Fast-Hash-XXX series of machines.  So yes, thank you very much.

Why? I understand that the Avalon chips are alrady ordered and will be a fast way to add more hashing power, but why getting involved with a third hardware maker instead on focusing on our* own chips?

*I'm a shareholder, and I'm here to stay in the long term, so honest question trying to understand the plan.
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so in summary, if eAsic is successful with the fast hash, then you guys plan to sell and mine with them much like ASICMiner does

in the mean time AMC will be..... mining and issuing dividends with lesser hardware?

Yes
sr. member
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Ken, I know this is probably small fish...

However; I still have my credit for 16 chips at BFL, would you like these gratis to put into AMC/VMC?

Yes, we have decided to use BFL chips in our Fast-Hash-XXX series of machines.  So yes, thank you very much.
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To be honest Kenneth taking a break for a few days will drop the share price significantly as investors wont be happy seeing lack of progress on the merge, I already sold my shares at .002 and will be waiting to see what happens after Independence Day
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Soo.... Dividends will be around 0.0000015 this week, which just as to be expected is roughly double last week's amount.
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Ken, I know this is probably small fish...

However; I still have my credit for 16 chips at BFL, would you like these gratis to put into AMC/VMC?
Vbs
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so in summary, if eAsic is successful with the fast hash, then you guys plan to sell and mine with them much like ASICMiner does

in the mean time AMC will be..... mining and issuing dividends with lesser hardware?

1st round of lesser hardware will be 20,000 avalon chips (ordered) used to make Avalon clones.

ah cool, what would the hashrate of that be?

Currently AMC has 6 Avalons on BTC Guild (read faq), for around 430 GH/s.

AMC has an order of Avalon chips from steamboat's batch #1, which will be used on 68 Klondike-16 boards, for 68*16*282 = 306,816 MH/s

There are also 2 orders of 10,000 chips, one from the last days of May and the first days of June. Combined, 20,000*282 = 5,640,000 MH/s

In total, 6,376,816 MH/s (yes, almost 6.4TH!) Grin
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so in summary, if eAsic is successful with the fast hash, then you guys plan to sell and mine with them much like ASICMiner does

in the mean time AMC will be..... mining and issuing dividends with lesser hardware?

1st round of lesser hardware will be 20,000 avalon chips (ordered) used to make Avalon clones.

ah cool, what would the hashrate of that be?
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Science!
so in summary, if eAsic is successful with the fast hash, then you guys plan to sell and mine with them much like ASICMiner does

in the mean time AMC will be..... mining and issuing dividends with lesser hardware?

1st round of lesser hardware will be 20,000 avalon chips (ordered) used to make Avalon clones.
Vbs
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so in summary, if eAsic is successful with the fast hash, then you guys plan to sell and mine with them much like ASICMiner does

in the mean time AMC will be..... mining and issuing dividends with lesser hardware?

Yep, that's the idea (using the AM model).

The ultimate aim is to shutdown AMC as an asset, keeping everything under the VMC roof. Anyone with AMC shares can convert them to VMC shares, so there will be less and less people holding AMC shares (actually, AMC shareholders are giving their shares to VMC in exchange for new 1:1 shares, so VMC will continuously be increasing its ownership of AMC).

Since Ken can't really "force" anyone to convert their shares, the extra VMC profits and benefits must do the convincing. Also, for example, a liquidation condition of AMC can be stipulated in X months from now and when Y% of AMC's shareholders have converted their shares into VMC shares. I think this part needs some community brainstorming. Grin
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chsados,

The solution that made more sense was for VMC to absorb AMC and not the other way around, that's what Ken was referring to. Like hf said, it would require to drastically change AMC's contract and most contracts with other parties are already signed with VMC.

Bottom line: Create a new VMC asset with mining + hardware sales and let existing AMC shareholders trade their AMC shares to VMC shares 1:1. I'm also expecting VMC will have a much lesser number of shares than AMC, around 4 times less (~25M).

Read the FAQ: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1687176
hf
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there will be no fucking vegetables
I just came up with a idea to solve this problem.

I will create an VMC offering, then VMC will purchase AMC.  There you that is the solution.  Tell me what you think.

How will VMC purchase AMC? Will it buy back all the shares of AMC?


But if you did create a VMC offering, and then unite VMC with AMC under one roof, then yes this is exactly what we are all looking for. Again, it is just really important for current shareholders and potential investors like myself to see these two companies merged into one.

Yes, VMC would start purchasing AMC shares until it has all of them.

There is no need for this.

Here a simple way to do it with one announcement:

1. VMC has been shutdown
2. AMC will now be doing the mining AND sales of chips/hardware itself


Done! Smiley


Note: I know that is simplistic, but really, there is no need to complicate matters, keep them simple on purpose. Now, in the real world, you may have signed some documentation with eASIC etc ... but you can re-sign them as AMC.




That will not work!  I am sorry.  Sad

Why Not?  Please explain in detail.
Doing this would require modifying AMC contract on bitfunder, which is impossible. Nothing else to explain, no detail to add, period.

This is one really scary website. I wouldn't want to meet the webdesigner. Facility looks great, though.
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so in summary, if eAsic is successful with the fast hash, then you guys plan to sell and mine with them much like ASICMiner does

in the mean time AMC will be..... mining and issuing dividends with lesser hardware?
hero member
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I just came up with a idea to solve this problem.

I will create an VMC offering, then VMC will purchase AMC.  There you that is the solution.  Tell me what you think.

How will VMC purchase AMC? Will it buy back all the shares of AMC?


But if you did create a VMC offering, and then unite VMC with AMC under one roof, then yes this is exactly what we are all looking for. Again, it is just really important for current shareholders and potential investors like myself to see these two companies merged into one.

Yes, VMC would start purchasing AMC shares until it has all of them.

There is no need for this.

Here a simple way to do it with one announcement:

1. VMC has been shutdown
2. AMC will now be doing the mining AND sales of chips/hardware itself


Done! Smiley


Note: I know that is simplistic, but really, there is no need to complicate matters, keep them simple on purpose. Now, in the real world, you may have signed some documentation with eASIC etc ... but you can re-sign them as AMC.




That will not work!  I am sorry.  Sad

Why Not?  Please explain in detail.


Ken is making this way too complicated for no reason.  Just kill VMC - AMC is now AMCVMC.  No more silly percentages of VMC profits, no more doubt.

Ken, why don't you try to reach out to Friedcat and have a conversation.  Seems like he welcomes competition.  

RE: Ken asking about fair salary
Does anyone know how Friedcat gets his "cut/salary?" in his business model?  I assume he holds shares himself and that is how he gets paid.

Great work tonight guys!  I think we are finally on the way towards where we need to be.  While we are waiting to hear back from Ken, could someone with a legal background look at the current AMC offering on Bitfunder to see if there is any possibility and or loophole that would allow an acquisition of VMC by AMC?  Ken has insisted that as it currently stands, there is no way for that to be done, but it would not hurt to run over it to be sure.  This would certainly be the easiest way to move forward on getting everything under one roof, but if Ken can legally not modify the contract, then we will have to go about it a different way.  Currently, the plan that is being drawn up is as following:

Ken will create a VMC offering at some point (when is anyone's guess).
Trading will continue on both offerings, AMC and VMC.
At some point, AMC holders will have the option to trade AMC shares in for an equal number of VMC shares.
We can assume that when the trade options are made available, Ken will officially announce VMC's acquisition of AMC, and will set a closing date.

Ken is still looking for feedback and suggestions from the community, so please keep them coming.  Great job guys!

I hope that AMC/VMC merging will happen so that gets the biggest issue out of the way. My next suggestion would be for us to work on a capped shares in the new security. We should have the shares capped at a reasonable number to avoid diluting the shares anytime in the future. This way the shares can continue to be valuable. If Ken can flood the market with massive amounts of shares at anytime this will dilute the investors shares and dividends will decrease. I don't know what the numbers of shares would be the best but would like to hear back from the community to discuss this matter.

+1

if this merger happens nice and fairly (i dont like how people could "game" the situation by buying "cheap" shares, but I guess they taking risk that a merge will never happen by doing this so who knows... on the flip side, what if AMC share price exceeds 0.0025 by some miracle and now you won't get a true 1:1 value

Everyone is getting really excited over nothing of substance. Please hold out until you see real evidence and get the contractual certainty you need before taking this seriously. It's not smart to rush back into this after a few assurances made on a forum. They won't stand up in court. You need a contract and evidence and until that materialises you are throwing good money after bad.

How do any of you know this isn't a ploy to get more money flooding into AMC before the big dissapearing act? The answer is you don't.
A few more days hyping this 'new development' up could net Mr Slaughter a dream-sized wad of cash.

And even forgetting the scam line - if this is a genuine company how do you know they are competant enough to follow through? What happens 3months down the line when they can't deliver and shares nose dive back to 0.0005 or lower? There is only one way to invest in any company and that is based on facts, evidence and finally projections of profit. You only have the last one of these three right now = sit on your hands.

+1
This could turn out similar to the infamous "news" hyped last week.

If you want to invest in success you need to invest in talent. I don't see any here.
Cool. Still planning to stick around or are you going to leave us to it?

If you think this situation has progressed over the past few days (it has certainly changed) then it is thanks to doubters like me not the sycophants. If me and Mega had not persisted with this you would still be in the VMC/AMC mess with no guarantees over rights and ownership. Now Ken from what I've read has said he's looking at solutions. The doubters have made him say that. Whether that is a genuine statement IS YET TO BE KNOWN.

What I'm saying basically is you need to question everything in this setup. When you get answers you then question them too. And finally if you want to invest - you do it ONCE YOU HAVE SEEN THE EVIDENCE. We are still at the question and answer stage and like I said there is still no evidence that this isn't going to end very badly. In any serious investors mind nothing has changed. It's only fools buying AMC right now and if they double or more their money here then on the next investment they will loose it - because they don't know how to ask the right questions.

You hear that?  It's the sound of no one caring.  I think a majority of us who have a stake in this company, put in no more than we were willing to lose.  Now, we are working to try to get this company in a position where we will hopefully see some decent ROI at some point.  Now, if you have nothing else to add, please run along sweet child.
SoylentCreek  you need to take a step back and put aside what i assume is hatred of steveioio and understand he is ENTIRELY correct.  If the "trolls" (these people were never trolling imo but raising valid concerns that you and others just did not like to hear) did not raise these questions there in deed would have never been ANY discussion about a merge.

Guys, just ignore the troll! Please do not let this thread derail back into the shit pile it has been over the last few days.

Seriously...?  Please look up the term Troll.  

This is trollling:
If someone with as few qualifications as Ken can deliver ASICs, how many others will have custom chips available?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You're back Entropy? I assumed after you deleted your earlier spam posts on this thread, you had gone for good. You can't pretend it never happened, plenty of people read them and remember your FUD.  Grin

Next up: Entropy sees the light, starts pumping AMC to increase the value of his holdings  Wink.
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Keep in mind, I still have over 10 pages to read through so i may have not read any changes yet.
EDIT: finished, questions still stand.
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