Topic: [AMHASH] 10 BTC REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT AMHASH OWNERS - page 3. (Read 15563 times)
You'd think if AirWolf had done all this amazing sutff and got money back for Forum members they would have given him some positive trust feedback?
...Naïve person that I am...
You've sent coin to Canadian Anon claiming to be an unlicenced Panamanian exchange, assuming that coin will go to Chinese Anon calling himself "friedcat."
You're clearly well-versed in international finance, a super-srs d00d. Anything but naive
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If Friedcat was a scammer, why wait until now to move the funds? I'd think they'd have moved the funds +/- 5 minutes after "disappearing." Curious.
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If Friedcat was a scammer, why wait until now to move the funds? I'd think they'd have moved the funds +/- 5 minutes after "disappearing." Curious.
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If he controls the private keys, why would he? You do understand how Bitcoin works, right? Read Satoshi's white paper, brah, it's powerful stuff.
Guess it all depends on how the original account in question is set up. Naïve person that I am, if I was establishing a bitcoin-oriented business today, I'd be doing it with multi-sig (M of N signatures required to move funds), requiring multiple company officials to agree on funds movement, and expect that anyone joining me in the business would absolutely expect such a setup. Otherwise they'd see it as a huge red flag and jump ship, warning others away as well.
So a scammer would need to steal additional keys to abscond with the funds, and would need to act promptly to remove the funds before honest actors in the company realized something was amiss and took steps to move/safeguard the funds themselves.
Until such basic expectations about good business practices are absolutely standard across the bitcoin community we'll continue to be plagued by scams that could have been avoided.
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If Friedcat was a scammer, why wait until now to move the funds? I'd think they'd have moved the funds +/- 5 minutes after "disappearing." Curious.
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If Friedcat was a scammer, why wait until now to move the funds? I'd think they'd have moved the funds +/- 5 minutes after "disappearing." Curious.
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If he controls the private keys, why would he? You do understand how Bitcoin works, right? Read Satoshi's white paper, brah, it's powerful stuff.
there are big money movements on the asic miner wallets...
Which wallets?
Ditto that. What's the point of making statements like that without providing the evidence?
If Friedcat was a scammer, why wait until now to move the funds? I'd think they'd have moved the funds +/- 5 minutes after "disappearing." Curious.
So Friedcat is missing, Amhash can't tell a straight story or say what they know of what is going on, some anonymous collector/extortionist is trying to hunt them down while maintaining their own anonymity and failing a basic test for proof of funds... just another dramatic bit of theater in bitcoinland :-) (With apologies to those invested in this mess.)
there are big money movements on the asic miner wallets...
Which wallets?
...In any situation featuring an anonymous personality (friedcat) allegedly committing fraud or being the victim of worse, why should the rest of us turn around and trust/believe other anonymous actors? ...
BTCecause BTCitcoin!TM
After digesting this thread as a spectator....
1. AirWolf needs to stop making lame excuses and sign the message already.
2. In any situation featuring an anonymous personality (friedcat) allegedly committing fraud or being the victim of worse, why should the rest of us turn around and trust/believe other anonymous actors? Who is "Airwolf"? Why should we believe he is anything but another scammer? Investors who are likely out funds should have learned a lesson and not cooperate or fund other actors who may defraud them further.
In short, legit efforts to recoup losses should be above-board and not anonymous, not make vague illegal-sounding threats, threaten friends and family, etc. Real manliness doesn't involve exaggerated displays of swagger; while it may involve being firm and showing perseverance, it also requires the use of tact, a sense of responsibility and forbearance and a right ordering of priorities - such as not threatening innocent people for the sake of recovering ones funds, even if that means losing everything.
1. AirWolf needs to stop making lame excuses and sign the message already.
2. In any situation featuring an anonymous personality (friedcat) allegedly committing fraud or being the victim of worse, why should the rest of us turn around and trust/believe other anonymous actors? Who is "Airwolf"? Why should we believe he is anything but another scammer? Investors who are likely out funds should have learned a lesson and not cooperate or fund other actors who may defraud them further.
In short, legit efforts to recoup losses should be above-board and not anonymous, not make vague illegal-sounding threats, threaten friends and family, etc. Real manliness doesn't involve exaggerated displays of swagger; while it may involve being firm and showing perseverance, it also requires the use of tact, a sense of responsibility and forbearance and a right ordering of priorities - such as not threatening innocent people for the sake of recovering ones funds, even if that means losing everything.
there are big money movements on the asic miner wallets, so there are 2 possibilities:
1 Friedcat is sole owner of the access to companies wallets and is draining the purse, or
2 Friedcat is not the only one who has access to the funds, and some other Am principals are accessing funds.
both of the possible cases are in contradiction to what officially has been stated by Am/Amhash
NB
AM shall not turn back at their subsidiary Amhash as they were allways saying it is joint-venture between them and rock miner
1 Friedcat is sole owner of the access to companies wallets and is draining the purse, or
2 Friedcat is not the only one who has access to the funds, and some other Am principals are accessing funds.
both of the possible cases are in contradiction to what officially has been stated by Am/Amhash
NB
AM shall not turn back at their subsidiary Amhash as they were allways saying it is joint-venture between them and rock miner
I told you then, and i tell you now: I WILL GET OUR MONEY BACK
Whose money you bring back?
I guess yours. If any. Do not know how you want to retrieve mine.
How will this take place? I tell you how much shares i have and you pay me?
Sounds very unlikely.
Sounds more like total bullshit.
It will help a lot that if you are a victim of AMHASH, you also contact this addresses
CoinDesk: [email protected]
CCN: [email protected]
Ask them to run the story and provide some sources, like this example message:
Are you aware of this new scam involving ASCIMINER and ROCKMINER:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10646608
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10645504
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10661393
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10643266
Please look in to this.
CoinDesk: [email protected]
CCN: [email protected]
Ask them to run the story and provide some sources, like this example message:
Are you aware of this new scam involving ASCIMINER and ROCKMINER:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10646608
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10645504
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10661393
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10643266
Please look in to this.
I told you then, and i tell you now: I WILL GET OUR MONEY BACK
AMHASH SCAM HITTING THE NEWS: http://www.btcreporter.com/2015/03/04/mystery-in-bitcoinland-the-disappearance-of-friedcat/
Now this plot deepens, a lot of the users here trying to obfuscate the hunting effort have been in contact and doing business with Xie Jian (a.k.a RockXie) the man responsible for the AMHASH scam....
Oh now you have received a negative trust from Chris_Sabian, will you (now) sign a message from that bitcoin address ? Or maybe are you only a liar ?
Now this plot deepens, a lot of the users here trying to obfuscate the hunting effort have been in contact and doing business with Xie Jian (a.k.a RockXie) the man responsible for the AMHASH scam....
My god you guys are acting as if 10 BTC is a million dollar stash. I have my own issues with the OP, but come on, who cares if he proves the 10 BTC with a signed message. WTF?
He will prove that he is not a liar, it is only a question about the honesty (not only a question of "money"). He want first the information but also the users want first the signed message (not the bitcoins) but only the signed message.
My god you guys are acting as if 10 BTC is a million dollar stash. I have my own issues with the OP, but come on, who cares if he proves the 10 BTC with a signed message. WTF?
@AirWolf , do you understand that no one believe that you are owning 10 btc and that it is your/yours bitcoin address ? I think you "think" we are stupid but we aren't stupid.
Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.
Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.
He is not cop orating and he is claiming to have a reward for those who work in giving proof of something he wants. This is very close to a scam as he is not willing to prove he owns the ten btc he claims he does also what chances do anyone have of really getting the imaginary btc even if they provide the right evidence. If vod was here he would be red i would think about it also if i was in the trust list at least until he provided signed message. Cheers.
I do not want to give him a negative trust because he is not a scammer (probable scammer) but he is a liar and how we can trust a liar? Let's see if he will sign a message from that address ( I think it is needed about 30-40 seconds or less).
Yes i agree he is a probable scammer but is that not what the trust is for to weed out the probable scammers before they do scam?
He has been asked probably about 10 times from different people to provide a signed message and he has not done so,
leaves only room for him not owning the address and then obviously not able to pay the money he claims he will pay.He is a very shady character because like you say just 30-40 seconds and its all sorted hmmmm
@AirWolf , do you understand that no one believe that you are owning 10 btc and that it is your/yours bitcoin address ? I think you "think" we are stupid but we aren't stupid.
Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.
Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.
He is not cop orating and he is claiming to have a reward for those who work in giving proof of something he wants. This is very close to a scam as he is not willing to prove he owns the ten btc he claims he does also what chances do anyone have of really getting the imaginary btc even if they provide the right evidence. If vod was here he would be red i would think about it also if i was in the trust list at least until he provided signed message. Cheers.
I do not want to give him a negative trust because he is not a scammer (probable scammer) but he is a liar and how we can trust a liar? Let's see if he will sign a message from that address ( I think it is needed about 30-40 seconds or less). However the title is a purely misleading he doesn't want to prove the ownership of the bitcoin address.
@AirWolf , do you understand that no one believe that you are owning 10 btc and that it is your/yours bitcoin address ? I think you "think" we are stupid but we aren't stupid.
Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.
Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.
He is not cop orating and he is claiming to have a reward for those who work in giving proof of something he wants. This is very close to a scam as he is not willing to prove he owns the ten btc he claims he does also what chances do anyone have of really getting the imaginary btc even if they provide the right evidence. If vod was here he would be red i would think about it also if i was in the trust list at least until he provided signed message. Cheers.
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