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Topic: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract - page 24. (Read 304320 times)

legendary
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still nothing from AMhash.  Undecided If he was infact kidnapped why keep it quiet. I dont know how all that equipment could be stolen and kept quiet until they wanted it out is very improbable. Something just doesnt add up...

'kidnapped' and 'stolen' by these guys most likely:



Or if he was lucky

legendary
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still nothing from AMhash.  Undecided If he was infact kidnapped why keep it quiet. I dont know how all that equipment could be stolen and kept quiet until they wanted it out is very improbable. Something just doesnt add up...

You really believe he was kidnapped still?  Roll Eyes

No official statements have even said or suggested he was kidnapped. That's Chinese whispers for you.
legendary
Activity: 2128
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still nothing from AMhash.  Undecided If he was infact kidnapped why keep it quiet. I dont know how all that equipment could be stolen and kept quiet until they wanted it out is very improbable. Something just doesnt add up...

You really believe he was kidnapped still?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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still nothing from AMhash.  Undecided If he was infact kidnapped why keep it quiet. I dont know how all that equipment could be stolen and kept quiet until they wanted it out is very improbable. Something just doesnt add up...
full member
Activity: 147
Merit: 100
What if he crossed the river into North Korea & THEN got kidnapped?  North Koreans are worse than Mongolian pirates when it comes to kidnapping...
Did you notice that now, North Korea is mining BTC with a power of 5TH/s ?
/joke
legendary
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I'm fed up with this, I don't believe in any these stories, they are all naive lies.
...

Then stop making up these bullshit stories and spreading them as if they're facts.
legendary
Activity: 980
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Is it stolen, or is it impounded.

Thats the question, and my guess is, its the latter. Its the only explanation that makes sense and would also explain FC being on the run. Unfortunately, it also means chances of recovery basically hinge on FC getting out of China and doing the right thing with his BTC stash, assuming there is still enough in there.
full member
Activity: 154
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The mining facility had no insurance?
Insurance against theft or natural disasters are so cheap, and even your tiny corner shop has it.

Truckloads of miners getting robbed?
Trucks loading and moving, no one's there at the facility or no one in the hood has seen it Smiley
Okay it was late night, but did they inform the police about it, where are the documents proving they informed the police about the theft.
Is it stolen, or is it impounded.
Or is this just a fable.

FriedCat missing?
Has the police been informed? Show us proof you did.
Why should he dissapear?
Is he arrested or kidnapped?
How do you know he's kidnapped? Did the kidnapper contact them for ransom?
Is he arrested? Anyone able to confirm?

FriedCat is no more but The BTC's are on the move (Wallet is active) BTW:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it-99497


I'm fed up with this, I don't believe in any these stories, they are all naive lies.
I'll do my best to gather all the evidence I can,
inform the Chinese government through all channels available
and initiate a legal process even if I get nothing but dust.

In the Chinese Judiciary System we trusts, I bet they'll get the real story out of you.
legendary
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Here we go again
Clearly, I didnt fud nearly enough, considering how many (claim to) have taken my assessment that there were no obvious red flags with AMhash as some sort of ironclad guarantee, despite my posts explicitly claiming the exact opposite.

If you cant trust the oldest and most trusted bitcoin asic manufacturer around, who are you going to trust? Your redflag-ridden "hashes backed by nonsense", l3sny ?

Wow i am really sad n sick of all this BS going on here.
Everything wents to shit in the end..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hghHyqZA
legendary
Activity: 980
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Clearly, I didnt fud nearly enough, considering how many (claim to) have taken my assessment that there were no obvious red flags with AMhash as some sort of ironclad guarantee, despite my posts explicitly claiming the exact opposite.

If you cant trust the oldest and most trusted bitcoin asic manufacturer around, who are you going to trust? Your redflag-ridden "hashes backed by nonsense", l3sny ?
hero member
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I can see one. Puppet stopped FUD and his 'predictions'. Complete rubbish commenting would be a waste of time.
legendary
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One says Amhash is nothing, has no importance, is not even good income for Asicminer because it's a tiny fraction of their wealth.
Then another says losing their farm got them screwed totally, and they need 2 years to recover, if they ever do.

Both statements dont necessarily contradict each other, if you assume friedcat vanished with the keys to their wallet (and the knowledge needed to bring BE300 to market).

As for suing, I tend to agree with Jutarul; if you would sue AMhash/rockminer, there is a good chance you wouldnt win because they might rightfully claim force majeure, or put the responsibility with AM and friedcat. And even if you'd win, you cant get blood from a stone.

As for suing AM; if indeed friedcat and the bitcoin wallet are gone, then AM is broke with only some IP that might be turned in to money, but requiring fresh capital first. Suing wont do much good here either, because by the time you could hope for a verdict, that IP will be worth next to nothing anymore and a trial would make it very difficult for AM to monetize it.

To win anything through a legal procedure, your only hope is going after FC's bitcoin wallet, but if he and his wallet resurface, its probably going to be the government that takes it (and him).

So your best hope is that AM is somehow resurrected, hopefully with fresh management to commercialize BE300 asap. Or you find someone to buy the IP, but its dubious that is really worth a lot, think Hashfast.

In short: there is no happy ending that I can see.
full member
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I don't think the company will return with an acceptable solution.
For me both announcements are unsatisfying.

sr. member
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compering David's Fan and Jutarul statement's one can easly say SHIT HIT THE FAN
full member
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Jutarul says we will lose money to their parasites if we sue them.

A criminal complaint, and providing the information/evidence we've gathered will start a lawsuit.
Fraud is a public offense, and even if you forgive them the government will not.
Considering the outcome of such lawsuit, AsicMiner should be very willing to please their shareholders.

Cooperating leadership, well that's okay, but you should first be honest against your victims for that.

One says Amhash is nothing, has no importance, is not even good income for Asicminer because it's a tiny fraction of their wealth.
Then another says losing their farm got them screwed totally, and they need 2 years to recover, if they ever do.

Liar liar.
member
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They got no insurance, they want us to compromise and give them 2 years to fix things Smiley
What a hell of a deal.

So...  Trading halted for 2 years?

full member
Activity: 154
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They got no insurance(Which is pretty cheap), they deny responsibility(because they probably stole electricity and got caught), they want us to compromise(Give up our rights to some extend) and give them 2 years to fix things Smiley

What a hell of a deal.

PS: Seems like there are no real companies in China.
full member
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David Fan: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10739094
Jutarul  : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10740209



STATEMENT FROM DAVID.FAN

Dear customers and clients,

The last few weeks have not been easy for the company. Friedcat went missing and this caused an interruption with the business. We are slowly recovering from the loss in company leadership.

First, the company is still operating, albeit at a reduced employee count. The physical location of our new office is currently confidential to guarantee an undisturbed office environment. Our sales contact is still the same. For all other requests please contact us through our general help line (email: [email protected]).

With friedcat missing, the current management of the company is carried out by David Fan temporarily. We will keep you informed of any significant changes, as we are still developing a long term solution to the current situation. We understand that many people are concerned about friedcat and his safety. We ask to not spread any misleading rumors and not pursue speculation.

Due to unforeseen events , the computational that power AMHash managed by RockMiner has become unavailable. We are sorry for the resulting damage experienced by any third parties. We are doing everything in our power to mitigate the damage.


Yours truly,
ASICMINER Management


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STATEMENT FROM JUTARUL

Let me break the silence, since many have wondered about the events on the board and among major shareholders. I apologize to all who sent me messages and didn't get a reply. But the situation at ASICMINER is simply hard to diagnose without first hand information. I guess I speak for every major shareholder when I say that no one saw the current situation coming. Sure - the company has been struggling lately, in part because the window of opportunity closed quickly and ASICMINER didn't move as fast as some of the competition. However, seeing how ASICMINER got hit by a double whammy of first loosing its farm and then its CEO is quite disturbing, to say the least.

The situation surrounding Rockminer is complex. I am saddened to see such an aggressive stand of Rockminer towards ASICMINER. I can only suspect that they are getting a lot of pressure themselves. However, there are more professional ways to deal with the issue than to clutter the internet with confidential material - that alone speaks volumes. The only excuse I can see for this is that ASICMINER so far has dealt with the situation poorly - and this is inexcusable.

The contractual obligations are currently being analyzed. So far it is clear that there seems to be no real clause which defines who is liable for events like theft or fire. Obviously, there has been no insurance plan either. The general rule for situations like these is that any clear liability assignment is commercially not viable and the affected parties have to sort it out somehow. The problem is that the product AMHash theoretically involves 5 Parties (Operator, Manufacturer, HashLord, Contract Platform, Contract Holder), of which neither has the ability to absorb the damage alone.  So far the overall understanding is that ASICMINER should carry some responsibility - however, the ability of the company to deal with the current fallout is hampered. Pressuring the company to do anything which it can't deliver is not productive.

I hear that some parties are considering legal steps. Let me tell you that from experience this won't end well for anybody and only results in wasting money on the parasitic elements of our economy. What we need in the current situation is a leadership figure who seeks compromise. This crisis won't be solved overnight. If a solution is reached it's likely gonna be a 2 year plan or some form of agreeable settlement. I hope I didn't shock anybody with this assessment.

Regarding the shareholding. It has been of a lower priority. For everyone who is holding shares and has traded recently, please preserve the full trail up to the last checkpoint, which means the cryptographic signatures which are used to authorize reassignment of shares. If traded unsafely, there is no guarantee that the ownership can be confirmed. Beware of double spending vectors in OTC transactions and use escrow if possible.

I saw some claim for the board not doing its work. Unfortunately there is no job description for board members, nor do they have an official duty with the company (unless a board member decides to get actively involved with the business). The conclusion which was already drawn a long time ago is that proper assessment requires boots on the ground. But those who actually were, never developed the habit of fiduciary reporting. AM Management always enjoyed a lax handling. I am not certain whether a stronger hand would have helped though. The business is tough. One little detail though - FC was always conflicted which information to release to the board and which not - especially since some of the board members have a conflict of interest because they are working for the competition. As such we covered mostly the baseline of sticking to financial statements as required by law.

According to the latest status the BE300 is confirmed and working. However, to bring the chip to market requires FIXED COST + COST PER CHIP + BUILD OUT COST. The funding situation for this is dire and it would require a new investor or a big buyer who has to be certain that he gets what he is promised. There are two scenarios where this could be quickly achieved:
a) A bitcoin price explosion would release dormant capital instantly shifting the reward/risk ratio.
b) A new type of investor who enjoys preferred treatment over AM Shareholders for the financing of the BE300 tech. Likely implemented as a joint venture.

I will collect further questions via PM and answer them publicly. I am certain I missed a few important points in this post.

Regards
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Statement posted, not from AM Shareholders Board, but from David Fan (cofounder). Nothing new: FC misssing, they're headless:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10739094

Didn't see that one I would have missed it if you didn't point it out thanks
2 hours after your post another statement was posted from the AM shareholders board, from Jutarul
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10740209
sr. member
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ladies and gentlemen i have posted automated translation of rock xie's old post just to show how unreadable it is.It had  somwhere 110nm mentioned but who the hell made it out to be 5PH mine???

be serious even with free elec there would be no sense of doing it having 40nm in hand so please stop spreading this bs !!!!!!!!!!!
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