Topic: AMT fucks us over again - page 3. (Read 44799 times)

so whatever happened to the fraudster??? is he an international fugitive yet???

I'm down for that.

Hell if we ever get our money back we should just do a bitmain group buy.

I am pretty sure he did. Might explain some of that. Still illegal either way for him

Also he complained about not being able to get his prescriptions in China. Why didn't he just buy his pills via the silk road like his other drugs?

I think what really speaks volumes is that after months of  lack of communication he posted and back dated news stories on the site to give the impression that he was communicating all along. This speaks to the willfulness of the acts. Plus he did it shoddily and didn't erase the exif data that showed that he fudged the dates. This will go a long way to proving fraud.

This conference was in October 2014. By this point he was knowledgeable about his actions, he had already said and done various things that fall very well into scam territory plus Joshua Zipkin's Silk road purchases had happened too . The video went up on the 14th of October 2014. This is pretty laughable. No self respecting investor would want to do business with this guy just from this video alone. Oh and the other ones he posted as well. He was trying to cover his ass to show sales or somehow recover. Notice the false advertising on his ads below. That was also called out. ~0,9 (one presumes ~0.09) is what he is advertising. Miners are just now reaching 0.5, he clearly has the yeezus miner with those specs. AM BE200 chips in there running at 0.09. Ask yourself if that is not scammy behavior misleading with advertisements in that way? For the sake of argument let's say it WAS a typo, that is one of the KEY advertising points. It would be incredibly stupid to mess up one of your key features and mislead like that....again leads to more lawsuits for fraudulent advertising. And we have 3rd party video proof of it now as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbf2bQcByQE&feature=youtu.be

Sad fact is I and others did offer to help him build his business when we were giving him the benefit of the doubt, it was an effort to make him profitable to get us refunds or some compensation ahead of the lawsuit would have been a win for all, but he would not play ball (chats show all that). "Joshua Zipkin" shattered any and ALL confidence that he was a legit individual when he offered me 5k to hack BCT. The fact he would so stupidly offer that in writing is incredible to say the least. But besides all that, he said plenty of other things up to and including "fuck the mpp" ("Miner protection program" that compensates for ROI issues in the first few months of the life of the product) of course that information was all put up on the wayback machine so there is no way he can weasel out of that since he shut down the original site. The MPP is covered extensively in this forum.

He already knew he was screwing people over early on. I think around January is when the lies started really catching up with Joshua Zipkin. He lied about shipping dates and who he had shipped to. He apparently had large shipments of chips as a reseller. Which could have been legit on it's own. When Joshua Zipkin CEO of AMT started missing shipping deadlines, and lying about it, that is when things got to where they are at. Some people are going on 1+ year with no hardware or compensation. To date only ONE person ever got a refund. As far as we can tell about a half dozen people (the louder ones of us) got very used miners (super dusty obviously used physically) and linux logs full of usage going back as far as March if memory serves. I made backups of the images and posted them online for any technically savvy person to confirm my findings. (I will also lend that support to the plaintiff legal team free of charge as I have before). A number of us have been working hard to see this bear fruit. So seeing this step is huge for us, and means our efforts are making a difference even if we don't immediately see it.
 
#ASKFTC

For leaked chats click link in my sig, PDF will be downloaded with all the pertinents

Yeah, I understand what AMT has become. I'm just saying he had to have originally believed that he was running a legit business or the conferences make no sense.   

He likely wont have to. He can pretty much phone it in unless the court compels him to show. In alot of class actions appearance is not mandatory. But considering there are law enforcement entities interested in him, I am sure if he sets foot in the US he won't get to the court room. He will be in a prison cell awaiting criminal trial. Besides Joshua Zipkin's obvious involvement with Silk Road (already shown on blockchain), coming to the US would be detrimental. That still leaves the matter of "Jim Brown", AMT's other guy (who could actually be Tyler Lummis based on Gleb's aka Phinneaus actual meeting of the guy) "Jim Brown" who when looking up does not apparently match the descriptions given of him (even squeezed one out of Josh too in the chats), but a person matching Tyler Lummis description does, one has to ask....why the need for a false ID?

A scammer sets up false ID's for the purpose of deceiving people. Oh and read the leaked skype chats questionauth. you might also see why we think he is a scammer. Alot of what he says goes towards that. I have already worked with the legal team for the class to provide them with a ton of information. I worked with various other clients to get the information, and also have provided loads of information to various agencies interested in this situation. I won't go into details. But the class action is only the start here. Oh and the death threats against people here are another matter that is going to be dealt with by said agencies

Too many red flags here to take into consideration

I suppose the same could be said for BFL as well? They attended conferences also. And still scammed people the same way. "Joshua Zipkin" ripped his customers off by lying to them repeatedly about just about anything he said it seems as he claimed he beat the lawsuit (I believe that is referenced in one of the many threads). Delivery dates pushed back, then when some hardware shipped it was pathetically defective where the cards failed within minutes of the machine being powered on while "Joshua Zipkin" had full knowledge of the faults (search IMET for details and rebuttals). Then last august he shipped machines to some people in various states of disrepair, with all sorts of junk packed in (rusty steel plates for starters) and machines that were hashing at only 2/3rds their power at best.

Oh and there are the skype chats where he stupidly admits alot of things. This is not a savvy person. Going to conferences was just a way to try to get clients for his petahash ambitions. He spoke of those too. He was looking for suckers.

I think his idea was he was going to set up farms. Of course what he didn't take into account was that he has no technical skill, a substandard product, and a reputation that could sink any business dealing with clients capable of using Google.

I think there was an obvious initial thought that he would sell to individuals, produce a good product, and work his way into larger corporate deals. When he realized that would take some actual work and that things might not be going with his fantasy plan he cut off communication with customers even though he knew at that point he couldn't deliver. At that point it became negligence for not letting his customer base know what was going on. That led to fraud as he continued to make specific claims of shipping dates that he had to know couldn't be honored.

As I understand it there are still customers who haven't received their miners. There  are instances like mine where they received incomplete products after great delay. I've not seen anything posted where the delivered miners are working with in the advertised specs.

I love that he said he didn't come to the Vegas conference because of lack of money but he has no problem showing up at conferences in other countries.

It's ok, he'll have to show up for the court proceedings. He's probably scared shitless. I know I would be if I were in this position.

The photos above are from a Bitcoin conference. Why would someone that set out to have a scammer business and do nothing more than fleece people waste tons of money attending a confrence who's only attendees are other businesses that are never likely to buy his product? Attending a conference makes no sense.

Did Pirate@40 ever have a booth at a conference? No, he met the other members of his theft cartel alone in Las Vegas. 

In the immortal words of Freddy Mercury.....Another one bites the dust!! All said and done I do think at the very beginning Joshua Zipkin might have had the intention of putting out a product as is obvious by the fact that an actual product eventually got out the door even if in the shittiest condition. BUT poor management (which by Josh's own admission was terrible both public and in skype chats), lies, and his subsequent blame the customer problems, just fucked him up. It's pretty obvious though he did have plans to mine with the hardware. And did and there is plenty of hard evidence to back that up from a technical standpoint. Fact is he might actually be doing that now with the hardware that failed to deliver. He screwed us over monumentally. So he will have to pay up. The judge obviously did not buy his bullshit excuses and bs sales crap, otherwise why outright ignore the sales records to push the case forward? Clearly it met the criteria. And considering that the Judge must have seen the BFL case, he saw the obvious similarities in this case.

I imagine "Joshua Zipkin"'s face when the result came for the class:

Shock


Confusion



Dissapointment



Anger



And once he realizes he has lost all his hard scammed money, what Joshua Zipkin will need to do to get drugs now that Silk Road is no longer out there:




DISCLAIMER: These photos are not altered beyond cropping. They are straight from a video on youtube at a conference in Kiev in October 2014.

We should get discussion rolling back here since the BFL thing is slowing down as they enter discovery.

That and I'll post in the official thread and see if this court doc disappears.

Also, Zipkin said at one point he had beat the class action. This was obviously premature. Here is the denial of the motion to Dismiss based on jurisdiction. From December 10th, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_er85osA9tfcVp6d0lMUVhVQWM/view?usp=sharing

Also it looks like the class action has another lawyer joining the team.

Looks like the Judge agrees that if the jury applies punitive damages (which it could) that it could easily surpass the $5mm dollar rule based on the defendant's submitted order log. The plaintiffs assert that the logs that were submitted we not complete.

I'll look more into what is needed to certify a class. If anyone wants to reach out to the lawyers hanging around the BFL thread maybe we can get their opinions on some things.

Have you tried reaching out to one of his lovely assistants at AMT's Philly facility located at the rear of the Masonic Temple? If nobody's there, simply walk out the back door, cross the street, and speak to his mother, Janette Weiss, since she's the one known to sign for RMA packages via the carriers. Hell, you may even get lucky and find Joshua's dad, Harrison Zachariah Zipkin, there enjoying lunch with the misses consisting of shopska and kyufteta.

Wow zipkin is really making us wait for his December announcement!

Here is an article demonstrating some of his antics. Including the wayback machine's copy of the MPP.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/amt-ceo-joshua-zipkin-naughty-nice-list/

Just so noone forgets what he has done to his customers.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140331025005/http:/advancedminers.com/miner-protection-plan/

Prior to his changing the URL altogether to try to get away with this.

"amtminers.com scam"
"joshua zipkin scammer"

There are so many threads that I don't even know which to check. I figure this was one that wouldn't be locked. I to am waiting on the "annoucment". I e-mailed sales since my order shipping date according to their records submitted to the court say mine shipped on 4/7/14. That of course was the non working chip burning, heat sink unseating "kit".

So my 6 month time frame has passed and I've yet to meet profitability. I requested the additional hashing power needed to meet profitability, or a refund.  I told them they had one week to comply or I'd be reaching out to all the agencies that I contacted in the past, again. And that if those agencies can't compel him to co-operate then I'd be filing a lawsuit.

This was how they said the MPP had to work before ignoring it all together. So if they don't comply there should be nothing stopping a legal victory. 

A few people in the Nth official thread mentioned it. Not to mention I believe that something was supposed to happen this month or some new announcement for refunds for all and such according to Joshua Zipkin.