Topic: AMT users thread. - page 11. (Read 60119 times)

Yea several eastern Europeans, a few part timers in philly and a few chinese. Roughly 6k a month.  We're not getting into this with you because its exactly what you want, to waist time. You'll be sued and you'll pay a lot for it and that's that. Really you deserve it.

Listen Tony, all of this crap that you're doing, doesn't mean a damn thing. Your fighting with a 26 year old who tried to build a business on a dime and eventually actually shipped you your product, after you agreed to receive it several times even though it was late. We know the refund is not your motive, your motive is to bankrupt us. It's too obvious. Just like in the beginning, no one helps someone else for 3-4 hours a day on a forum battling trolls like Phin for nothing.

Let me be clear, if you worked out a WRITTEN legal arrangement that showed your good faith attempt to refund EVERYONE back, not just "intentions" because intentions do nothing for anyone, but actions do, I would take back most if not all of the bad I have said and even go so far to help you repair your reputation. I have on numerous occasions recognized you have had your issues and those things were the truth as I knew them at the time. The IMET thing was clearly not your fault and I know that. I will freely admit and stick up for you on THAT point alone. However the issue lies in how you Joshua Zipkin handled it and lied to people time after time both before and after the lies are WELL documented so no "slander" as you put it. Your "fuck the MPP" and shipping lies among other things you have said are what got you in this mess. Again if you had been straight with ALL of us some of us would have understood and we did for a time, until we realized it was lies. You will not have 100 percent satisfied customers....NOONE ever does even at the best of times. I would back off you and consider the matter settled IF you did right not just by me but everyone who you have wronged. At least showing you are doing that would be a start.

Again you "intend" to make it right? Just make it right. Start showing you are making it right and I am telling you here now I will remove ALL my bad posts about you. I will issue a public apology and IF you are selling again with some of that refund money even buy a machine/s provided  you send it INTACT with all parts and in working order, in a timely (within 2 weeks). THAT is how far I am willing to go. I am putting forth a good faith effort here and even putting it in writing to show that I am willing to admit I was wrong......BUT you have to prove it. Intent means crap to anyone here. 6 months ago you said you intended the same thing and we still have seen nothing but more excuses. We got miners worth far less than what we paid, a slap in the face, with your own admission you "tested" them for "a few days" which confirms what I was saying in dogies review thread of your miner.

But you have maligned your own business by stating that mining sucks. In doing so you are essentially selling miners to get money from people. So that is on you as those are your own words. It is easily implied with what you have said.

You are stating you want to get your head above water....we can't and won't do anything for you until you have proven you are willing to do right by us first. Most if not ALL of your customers have been burned too many times to take anything you say at face value.

What? Didn't you send us an email saying that you got your miner working and everything was fine?

Oh right some of them are your family. Jeannette W. is one of them lives at your PA address correct? As perhaps even your other relative Jessica Z I imagine? You put my family in the crosshairs by claiming I was a classified high level worker for the government. I am not letting that shit go any time soon. I have no interest in anything happening to anyone. But you dragged my family into this....and put us into danger with your statements. I have not doxxed your address like you did mine. I suppose I could, but as you said honor and honesty and all that. Let someone else handle that task if they wish.

As for idiot......well you clearly owned the fact that you have a DEDICATED which is FULL TIME staff of 10 people. That means you have money to make this work. Money that is not being used to make things right with the customers ALL of them regardless of their naughty or nice status. Since you play favorites with your customers that too is going to hurt you in court. But you know since you don't like to comment on here, YOUR OWN WORDS, it seems unimportant what I say. Guess I am an idiot for even responding to you. Or I am imagining I am replying to you since you are not supposed to be replying here Joshua Zipkin aka AMT_Miners, since you don't have the balls to actually admit it's you actually penning these posts. And no I won't stop until justice is done on you. Eye for an eye is that not what you believe? You made it clear you are a racist. But the eye for an eye idea in Judaism does make alot of sense. I am not one for turn the other cheek cause that just means getting your ass kicked. Since you stole money from us, is it not karma (buddist? idea) that you do not make money as well? I imagine your karma will change once you make things right with those you have wronged. EVERYONE not just a select few you deem your nice list.

If we get our head above water, to the point where we can pay section at a time (exp - order groups 400-600-600-800) of clients back, we will and have every intention provide clients with something. But as of the last few months we have been skating on thin ice constantly, just getting by. And we have issued refunds where we could during that time.

AMT has a dedicated staff of 10 people. Your an idiot.

Tony Serratta,

You're a waist of time to respond to. But we'll do it because, there's not much else to do in this moment honestly. We skim your posts and look for something of relevance but never seem to find anything. Regarding larger investors we've already started paying them back and plan to continue doing so when things pick up. As they have invested a larger amount than you and most likely their order is in front of yours, they'll get paid back first. See Tony, you received your miners ahead of other people, and cloud hashing, and all sorts of fun extra's from us. We feel that we've taken care of you as a client. Regarding any warrant, that's a joke and a half, if you'd like please come down to the office in jenkintown and have a "chat". Stop making up things Tony Serratta, your supposed to be honest and honorable.  

As far as we are concerned, we did things to the best of our ability and any court will agree with that. They'll look at our financial records and see we took X in, and 60% of X went to chips, 25% of X went to our failings with IMET and 15% of X went to China's build with the chips we had left, and shipping miners to our clients. Clients just like you Tony. Regarding any crap about mining, we had a factory build our miners, they tested them for a few days and they we're shipped.

All in all, as we've said before, this forum is you're life, not ours. Your the volunteer moderator, not us. Your crap effects our sales, when clients google AMT they find these threads and usually choose not buy. But that's your goal, to stop our business so we cant pay people back. That effects business and causes us to not be able to take care of clients, especially those big ones. So for someone who was so helpful and so considerate and such a rocket scientist, your bright enough to realize that all you are now is a manipulative prick that only wants to see us burn. We've given all of our information to the lawyers, every bank account and financial record, and they'll have a nice month and a half going through it, but all it says is that AMT rand out of X in July and Josh used what ever he had from his own accounts to ship miners.

Regarding your lawsuit, we've been instructed to hold on off until the motion is answered. But yes it is written up and ready to be filed, that's happening. Believe it or not there are those that have invested in AMT, whom we have taken care of, that would like very much to see you pay for slander. So regarding paying for it, as we said before, it would be free. To you this is a game of strategy, to us these are client's who need to be taken care of but cant because of your day to day. But the market is terrible for mining right now, and if you mix that with a terrible rep, you have a failing company. And some clients will be paid back even if we file bankruptcy. Everything that you've done and continue to do, will come back to you Tony in a court of law.

Please note it is not a them. Its a him. Joshua Zipkin is the sole person who speaks for his company if you want to call it that. He outsources work to others altho I do think his family handles operations in the US, seeing a there are people associated with him who handle shipping. But in all Joshua Zipkin is the one who does the talking. It's easy to see it's him even with the sock puppets.

^^ Ditto. Only exception is that my personal chats with Josh will not be released. While Joshua Zipkin never presented me with a copy of the NDA signed by him I *did* submit an amended and signed copy to him regarding working on solving the problems with the first Bitmine.ch/AMT hash boards. For what it's worth I do consider myself professionally bound to the NDA and as the personal chats are nearly 100%  regarding protected IP owned by Bitmine.ch and others (not not mention very dry and technical) they are not open for Public view.

Normally since the relationship with Josh/AMT has ended I would destroy all pertinent IP documents however - given the ongoing legal matters they are safely archived if needed until the legalities are resolved.

As Opeium has said, a disclaimer is needed: This was an open and honest (on our part) chatroom meaning off-the-cuff chatter. Some about folks here are um, not spoken of in the best light. Then again, in the Early Days of the AMT Saga Opeium and I made our views about them known here so Sorry in advance and hopefully is water under the bridge.

To the true trolls mentioned - Fine. We already said it before but, you were right. Then again even a broken clock is right 2x a day. I still say bugger off.

With the full context of the chats one thing that will be very clear was our intent and reasons for our contact. Only goal for me was getting the Bitmine.ch/AMT board crap party resolved so miners could get shipped. Period. Josh put an end to that within weeks with plans for China... Going with Innosilicon's boards was the one intelligent thing Josh has done. Actually settling with his existing customers would be the one other but don't see that happening in this lifetime.

For all intents and purposes and better or worse, so the community at large can see his full range, the FULL chat logs from when we started will be getting released. No more snippets of leaks. NotFuzzyWarm and I agreed it would be better the community sees it all. Rather than snippets. Our real and skype names will be changed to our forum names for purposes of privacy. That is the only change. Obviously in alot of cases we said things to bait him to talk and gain his trust. Those who we speak of already are aware of this as it has been pointed out in private as well. At any rate for better or worse those chats are being prepared for a full release.

Joshua Zipkin is predictable....easy to read. I will admit I am not proud of the things I had to say in those chats to get him talking, but it was necessary to keep his trust especially when he started questioning it.

I will also similarly be releasing my personal chats with Josh as well. Since he has shown no interest in being honest with anyone. The best way is to just expose him raw. I did what I thought was right at the time to try to get everyone made whole. He made excuses not to. Despite stating in the first AMT thread that AMT would go broke to make this right with us. That again was another lie.

Interesting point you make....I guess this means you have been turning a nice profit with the bitcoins you mined while you held our hardware, why not use some of that to pay us back? The funny thing is I have forensic evidence to prove that you did actually do that and have provided it to relevant agencies who requested it. AND you know my credentials in that area since you so generously doxxed me to the community with an added lie to put my family in danger. I won't forget that. And I will make sure you pay for it within the system. I don't need to go through extra-legal channels to do anything to you. You did it all to yourself. All I have to do is point people to the information and show it to them. And the rest just happens.

I thought it would be interesting to note Joshua Zipkin predictably popped online and still does usually after posts in these threads. He acts like he does not care but this forum is his lifeline. And the fix is simple. Stop mining with the hardware he has, pay the people back he defrauded (Oh yea one of those orders was 250k yea we know about it and that's gonna be a hard one to fulfil). If Joshua Zipkin made it so we just broke even, it would go a long way. But he won't and won't even respond to this request. If so I expect it will be more excuses as to why not.

OH yea where is that refund and lawsuit you promised Josh? Oh right you can't? Cause you in Sofia right now with a pending warrant for your arrest right? Kinda hard to sue someone when you are wanted man. Find it interesting that you post when the chats come up. I am guessing that did not help you too much. But it did get the attention of a number of people however who I am sure are eager to have a "chat" with you.