Topic: An Open Letter to the Bitcoin Community from the Developers - page 5. (Read 6002 times)

Still waiting for an explanation on this one Carlton.   Has your bias on this debate degraded your thinking
to the point of spouting non sequitors?

It is being live streamed so someone will probably record it if they aren't already. Other people can still participate in online discussion they are hosting.

I hope someone makes sure the whole event gets video taped. Montreal is way too far for me. However I would like to see as much as possible from that conference.
Furthermore I hope this will be a honest and really open minded debate. No shilly-shallying anymore.We need solutions!

I am all in for a debate on this subject and just hope they sell popcorn at the venue. You cannot miss this opportunity to rub shoulders with the main peanuts in Bitcoin.

In the left corner we have Bitcoin Core weighing in at 6000 supporters and in the right corner we have Bitcoin XT weighing in at 700 supporters. Let's get ready to rumble!

Anyone think it will be a fair fight? The referee for the fight will be ? ^puzzled^

FYI: If you can make it to Montreal and you think that you can actually add something to the event, I'm giving away two conference tickets. See here.


You'll be able to participate without attending in person. The event will be livestreamed, and everyone there will be connected to an IRC channel that will be open to the public.

I fail to see the conflict of interest.  What does Goldman and Moneygram have to do with anything ?

Trying to understand your constructive recommendation here.  Should they abandon development of the code?  Should they quit having open dialog?  Should they quit meeting in person? 

BIP101 thanks for your solution ! if we wait fore cores developers bitcoin is dead

I understand that companies like Circle (who are BIP101 backers) have Goldman Sachs and Moneygram as investors  
Little bit of a conflict of interest, perhaps?





More to come on that, I know there was another questionable investor in Circle (and no doubt in Bitpay and BitGo too). Just cannot remember, I may have to look for it later

According to an interview with one of the devs, they planned the workshops BEFORE Gavin broke off, and Gavin knew about the timing of the workshops when he and hearnia launched the spork. 

Yes, Amir Taaki has contributed and or created 5 bitcoin core BIPs There are many ways to contribute to Bitcoin core and be considered a developer. His contributions to our ecosystem have been most important with darkwallet/darkmarket/libbitcoin however.

More importantly and what makes his signature and others crucial to this letter is support from other implementations other than core.

The signers to the letter include more than the developers of Bitcoin Core, it includes other implementations.
The letter was signed by -


    12 Independent/Unknown/Other (38%)
    5 Blockstream (16%)
    2 MIT; 2 unSYSTEM; 2 Chaincode (7% each)
    1x each from Conformal, Ciphrex, Dogecoin, ETH Zurich, LedgerX, BitGo, Viacoin, and Coinbase (3% each)

Greg would have a good argument that the signers represent an unbiased group with nothing but Bitcoin's best interests in mind,
but the fact that several of the biggest contributors work for a private company that has taken millions of dollars in venture
capital and plan to offer services related to Bitcoin extensibility casts a shadow of doubt on that implication.

There's really no way around the fact that the handful of guys who want to continue to control Bitcoin core,
also happen to work for a private company in the business of Bitcoin functionality.

And this means you have the ultimate right to dictate to everybody else? Because you wrote some code?

Interesting argument. I think programmers who wrote some java system for a bank should go straight to the board of directors and demand to run the bank from now on.

In that case, we completely agree.  I felt a small tremor in the force.    I'm sure it will pass.

You're right to some extent. I did mean to say "in a public forum", but my net connection/bitcointalk.org was being screwy and couldn't be bothered to keep pressing "Edit" only for it to timeout again. Sorry about that!

That is an amazingly skewed perspective.  Agree with Gavin or disagree with him, but it is disingenuous to insinuate that he hasn't presented his arguments publicly.  See http://gavinandresen.ninja/ for a sampling of articles on the subject.

It's very nice to see the other core developers working towards a solution to the block size debate.  I don't know whether all five were invited to sign that proclamation or not.  In either case, I hope they all attend.

Fun times indeed ahead and also some wild fires too. Am holding a wide range of different coins that I know are and currently succeeding where BTC is not and am happy with them so far. Am looking at coins that are not controlled or need to hld their value with BTC not many are doing it but their is a few that is priced differently but 98% of all cryptos prices seems to go off BTC value because BTC is no1. If BTC was not would it be a new pair LTC to what ever crypto or even other coins. If Bitcoin fails another one will succeed theirs many markets out their and it only takes one as big and innovative to dominate the markets and take control.

Markets and crypto need to stop being valued under BTC and look at other pairs than just bitcoin. I give it till end of this year or 1/4 of next year if no good changes then it goona crash so hard and people going to be pissed right off. Hold for the longest. Feel sorry for all people who bought back in 2013 and it went poof back  down and down and a little up and I made a good few on trades back then. Now buying coin if I do I will be buying and trading and making on the low down and profiting down trading hard to do but it can be done. And then use to grab others that are good but holding BTC and a lot of it like now is risky with everything going on. Who knows what we have in stall for BTC but it not looking good unless the devs can get past this and only time and decisions made will seal the faith and future of BTC

how about Brock "chief scientist whatever it means buddy" Pierce.

careful about which coin you buy when whatever fork happens.

fun times ahead as basically the devs have been forced by two rogue rotten power grabbing devs and their reddit army to take action about something that was under control and thoroughly investigated.

there is no community behind. just retards.

y'all going to deserve what is coming. friggin bunch of unqualified blind followers.

if any fork, you better be short. or else you'll end up eating them shorts..

pop corn ready, now bring it on, time for bitcoin to loose them forkers in the abyss of their ignorance.