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sr. member
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Mostly agreed. We still need to support and develop alt implementations like bitcore and libbitcoin but always having a coup at our heals is a threat to user and investor confidence.

It's been this way for how much? 5 months already?

The U.S gonna pump, media scare, then dump, weak hands shitting their pants. And again and again.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political



BIG POST SNIP ~

I think you make too much sense for this forum Smiley

Great post and balanced.

Hopefully both sides of the debate may be a bit more open minded and learn something.

I like the point that XT is off the table (clearly), yet you still see "XTards" comments and such.
Its actually pretty funny.
legendary
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No bett, alternative implementations (that break consensus rules)  screw with confidence in the currency.

It's called a fee market. Relax. Let it happen.  Smiley

Mostly agreed. We still need to support and develop alt implementations like bitcore and libbitcoin but always having a coup at our heals is a threat to user and investor confidence.
legendary
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*waffle snip*

Alternative implementations are not a threat they are a means to the end of consensus. Luke-jr has it right:

[–] luke-jr Bitcoin Expert 2 points 1 year ago
If the majority of nodes ran btcd, the protocol would de facto be defined by btcd - you are correct.
..snip...

No bett, alternative implementations screw with confidence in the currency.

It's called a fee market. Relax. Let it happen.  Smiley
legendary
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Yes, your cynicism is palpable.  I agree.

I thought I just did "honestly admit" that I was speaking in general terms.  

I really don't see any "lies" or "back peddling" or "rationalizations" or "caveats".  
Why don't you pull out your thesaurus and see if you can paint an even darker
picture here?  Cheesy

What is the MAIN POINT, THE ESSENCE of what I'm saying?

People like Luke, Matt, Greg, and Pieter are major players in core and also are/were involved
with Blockstream.  If you take away Jeff and Gavin, sure there are others who contribute
but they aren't very influential.  

I admit, saying "everyone" was an innacuracy, and I'm more than happy to
admit that, but I haven't misled anyone (at least intentionally).   Most people
know there are many contributors to the open source project.

That's was my point the whole time and I think you know this was my point,
and I think you know my point is valid.

I believe you are splitting hairs in an attempt to discredit me but
its not working.  Go attack someone else.

~Apology accepted... please try and be more careful next time with your statements as we already have enough miscommunication
as is. It is not my intention to attack you but simply clear the air and make sure people aren't spreading false information (intentionally or unintentionally) Please correct any misstatements I make in the future as I wish to be as fair and accurate as possible as well.

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In other news --

https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/

wangchun from F2Pool is planning with some core devs yesterday for a planned 2MB hard fork and adding extra nonce space in feb/march 2017 to increase effective capacity up to ~4MB.

legendary
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A client can do things. Miners decide if they use it. The ceo and customers can only petition the client maintainers.
You must have misunderstood my point, but nevermind.

Can kicking is preferable to nothing. Unless you have a strong motive to do nothing?
In what world does SegWit equal to 'doing nothing'? The time needed for SegWit will probably be very similar to the time at which the fork would active (if Classic had enough support). So it is not really a question about time.

I want segwit. I think its great, because its a big help to getting LN. I really want LN, because I think that its an essential part of the road to allowing crypto replace fiat. I think blockstream are probably not bad guys. I'm open to the idea that not everything will be done on chain, and that's ok (provided Layer-N solutions share the same key attributes of being open source, peer to peer, do not require the use of their party, allows you to be your own bank etc)

What I don't want is all the bullshit. 2MB is nothing. Its just a contingency. The scaling roadmap accepts it as viable. Adam Back accepts it is viable. A whole bunch of miners have agreed it is viable. There is overwhelming support for it, and yet core won't merge it. This is absolutely the antithesis to the idea that bitcoin is decentralised. A few people are controlling bitcoin development and that is a fact. It is centralised right now.

The massive amounts of fud that has been posted ever since there has been any sniff of alternative implementations. Lets indulge the conspiracy theory that Hearn was an insider and that the extra stuff he put in XT was 'bad'. XT is off the table. Lets indulge the idea that 8MB with 2^n scaling was over zealous. BIP101 is off the table. Lets now take a look at the massive reduction in scope and resource usage in the latest proposal for a short term fix to the potential risks of persistently full blocks that classic is offering. 2MB with no further predefined scaling (possibly no opt in RBF).

Running classic is not the threat to the network that certain people would have you beleive. If enough people run it then maybe blocks bigger than 1MB will be mined, up to a maximum of 2MB. If there is no need then block sizes won't even go up that much, if block suddenly jump to 2MB then its clear there was definitely a need! Increasing the block size to 2MB doesn't mean I wont every transaction on chain, it doesn't mean that I think that increasing blocksize increases the scalability of bitcoin, it doesn't mean that I think increasing the blocksize limit is the *only* solution to increasing throughput.

It just means that I think blocks are filling up so it would be prudent to give some headroom. There is nothing nefarious about it, there is nothing uneducated about it there is no massive threat to decentralisation. Nothing more than capacity planning. Remember I am *for* LN, I am for segwit, I don't think that short term headroom is any threat to those things. moving from 3-7 TPS to 6-14 does not mean that suddenly we don't need real scaling solutions!!!

Core could gracefully acknowledge that perhaps on this one thing they might have been wrong, or they could instead make threats about switching POW algorithms to try and maintain their grip on the one true bitcoin. Are they really going to do that over this one issue, is gmaxwell *that* obstinate, are the the other devs really going to back him?

Doing the latter though is just more of that bullshit that *nobody* wants.

Alternative implementations are not a threat they are a means to the end of consensus. Luke-jr has it right:

[–] luke-jr Bitcoin Expert 2 points 1 year ago
If the majority of nodes ran btcd, the protocol would de facto be defined by btcd - you are correct.
..snip...
legendary
Activity: 1302
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Some are far more influential than others obviously.  Why don't you add up the commits (excluding Gavin and garzik) and see how far off I was.  Have fun Smiley

We all know core won't do anything without "consensus" so it might as well be everyone as its most of the major voices.  

Perhaps next time you can accurately qualify your statements from the start instead of making outright lies, and than have to back-peddle with multiple rationalizations and added caveats.... My cynicism is high with you as you are showing a lack of integrity to honestly admit you made a mistake and apologize for misleading the larger community.

Now you are suggesting , that those who contribute the most code and are the most productive work at blockstream.... I look forward to you spreading this narrative in the future.... somehow I doubt it will fit your agenda.

Yes, your cynicism is palpable.  I agree.

I thought I just did "honestly admit" that I was speaking in general terms.  

I really don't see any "lies" or "back peddling" or "rationalizations" or "caveats".  
Why don't you pull out your thesaurus and see if you can paint an even darker
picture here?  Cheesy

What is the MAIN POINT, THE ESSENCE of what I'm saying?

People like Luke, Matt, Greg, and Pieter are major players in core and also are/were involved
with Blockstream.  If you take away Jeff and Gavin, sure there are others who contribute
but they aren't very influential.  

I admit, saying "everyone" was an innacuracy, and I'm more than happy to
admit that, but I haven't misled anyone (at least intentionally).   Most people
know there are many contributors to the open source project.

That's was my point the whole time and I think you know this was my point,
and I think you know my point is valid.

I believe you are splitting hairs in an attempt to discredit me but
its not working.  Go attack someone else.







sr. member
Activity: 687
Merit: 269

More orwellian bullshit. "Switzerland is not a democracy and North Korea is not a dictatorship."

http://direct-democracy.geschichte-schweiz.ch/switzerlands-political-systems.html

Well said.
legendary
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you are correct. for some reason i didnt see that...

Probably the same reason you think a confederation is the same thing as a democracy.

IE, you are not very intelligent.   Wink

More orwellian bullshit. "Switzerland is not a democracy and North Korea is not a dictatorship."

http://direct-democracy.geschichte-schweiz.ch/switzerlands-political-systems.html
legendary
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https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41aocn/httpsbitcoinorgenbitcoincorecapacityincreases_why/cz0z9ym
https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/8d3a84c242598ef3cdc733e99dddebfecdad84a6

Keccak with a Nf15 appears extremely ASIC resistant.

Excellent. I would consider this as an option. I wouldn't dream of leaving the current SHA256 miners a week ago , but after attempting to have some friendly discussions with some of the Bitcoin Classic/ Bitcoin unlimited group of supporters it appears their ideals and understanding of bitcoin are much different than my own. I do respect that core devs are so prepared that they already have an alternative ready just in case the unlikely happens. 

my GPUs are in the starting blocks. Grin Grin Grin

GPU's are enough to secure an Altcoin/BS-Chain with nearly zero value.
sr. member
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It's 20. January 2015

Bitcoin Core operates correctly. Millions of $ coins are being sent effortlessly.

Reddit taken over by shills. A massive circle jerk of paid accounts cheering
for things that could harm Bitcoin (hard fork, attacks on devs)

What a beautiful afternoon.
legendary
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Some are far more influential than others obviously.  Why don't you add up the commits (excluding Gavin and garzik) and see how far off I was.  Have fun Smiley

We all know core won't do anything without "consensus" so it might as well be everyone as its most of the major voices.  

Perhaps next time you can accurately qualify your statements from the start instead of making outright lies, and than have to back-peddle with multiple rationalizations and added caveats.... My cynicism is high with you as you are showing a lack of integrity to honestly admit you made a mistake and apologize for misleading the larger community.

Now you are suggesting , that those who contribute the most code and are the most productive work at blockstream.... I look forward to you spreading this narrative in the future.... somehow I doubt it will fit your agenda.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political




So you stand behind your statement ".and that the same guys in core (everyone
except Gavin and Garzik) who are against meaningful blocksize increases work
for a private company called Blockstream" as well ? How do you rationalize this lie?

generalization (ok not "EVERYONE" who has made a commit) but
you can see some info here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/



So 8 of the remaining 43 work for blockstream. Are you suggesting most of the other 35 are big block supporters too?

You call 8 out of 43 only a generalization to represent everyone! You can't see how that isn't somewhat misleading if not completely distorted?

Some are far more influential than others obviously.  Why don't you add up the commits (excluding Gavin and garzik) and see how far off I was.  Have fun Smiley

We all know core won't do anything without "consensus" so it might as well be everyone as its most of the major voices. 
legendary
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Merit: 1035




So you stand behind your statement ".and that the same guys in core (everyone
except Gavin and Garzik) who are against meaningful blocksize increases work
for a private company called Blockstream" as well ? How do you rationalize this lie?

generalization (ok not "EVERYONE" who has made a commit) but
you can see some info here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/



So 8 of the remaining 43 work for blockstream. Are you suggesting most of the other 35 are big block supporters too?

You call 8 out of 43 only a generalization to represent everyone! You can't see how that isn't somewhat misleading if not completely distorted?
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political




So you stand behind your statement ".and that the same guys in core (everyone
except Gavin and Garzik) who are against meaningful blocksize increases work
for a private company called Blockstream" as well ? How do you rationalize this lie?

generalization (ok not "EVERYONE" who has made a commit) but
you can see some info here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/

legendary
Activity: 994
Merit: 1035


In the statement above you are supporting the conspiracy theory that Core is delibretely and secretly stalling.

I don't know how secret it is, but yes I believe they intend to delay increases in blocksize for
as long as they can and minimize their magnitude.  It's no secret that Greg Maxwell has
been against increasing the blocksize, at least any time soon.

I believe keeping the blocksize limit fits with their business model.
Blockstream has funded development of LN, and
obviously they need to create profits somewhere.

Sorry BitUsher, but I don't see that I've been misinformed about anything.  

I know you believe that I'm not seeing things clearly.
And I in turn, believe you are not seeing things clearly.
(Specifically, that we easily can and should increase main chain capacity now,
but that Blockstream doesn't want to do it for business reasons.)
 
Both sides of the debate have their opinions and biases
and both sides feel they have good reasons and are right.

I'm ok with others having a different opinion than me.


So you stand behind your statement ".and that the same guys in core (everyone
except Gavin and Garzik) who are against meaningful blocksize increases work
for a private company called Blockstream" as well ? How do you rationalize this lie?

(Specifically, that we easily can and should increase main chain capacity now,
but that Blockstream doesn't want to do it for business reasons.)

There you go again... deliberately misleading the general public ... you can't just help yourself can you?
To others reading : The reality is SegWit has the same effective capacity increase as Bitcoin classic and is on schedule
 and will likely be released sooner than Bitcoin classic.

legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political


In the statement above you are supporting the conspiracy theory that Core is delibretely and secretly stalling.

I don't know how secret it is, but yes I believe they intend to delay increases in blocksize for
as long as they can and minimize their magnitude.  It's no secret that Greg Maxwell has
been against increasing the blocksize, at least any time soon.

I believe keeping the blocksize limit fits with their business model.
Blockstream has funded development of LN, and
obviously they need to create profits somewhere.

Sorry BitUsher, but I don't see that I've been misinformed about anything.  

I know you believe that I'm not seeing things clearly.
And I in turn, believe you are not seeing things clearly.
(Specifically, that we easily can and should increase main chain capacity now,
but that Blockstream doesn't want to do it for business reasons.)
 
Both sides of the debate have their opinions and biases
and both sides feel they have good reasons and are right.

I'm ok with others having a different opinion than me.
 



  

legendary
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you can't be serious, as this is easily dis-proven.

Oh but he is, and him and Veritas Sapere will argue with you all day long about who turns the handle that runs Niagara Falls, or how Michael Jackson was actually neither black or white. Amongst other non-sequiturs.
legendary
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.. I was open to using bitcoin classic in the past now I won't even consider touching it with my experience talking with their supporters...


awww..billy gonna take his ball and go home?   Cry

I am more puzzled and disappointing than upset as profit is a much lower priority to what interests me with bitcoin . You are another example of a bitcoin classic supporter who is very poorly educated and constantly spreading misinformation. Its almost as if you are a troll... but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are merely very misinformed.

Ok, so enlighten me then.  What's the #1 thing in your opinion that you believe I'm misinformed about?

look through your own post history, I and others have seen you repeatedly spreading false statements:

Here is one example among many :


 That's why we're in this mess and should be
as obvious as the fact that the emperor is wearing no clothes.  Those that
can't tell have bought into some dogma that "core must be right" while ignoring
the obvious facts that Core has done nothing but stall and fail to increase
transaction capacity, despite a lot of good sounding "ideas" like "lightning",
"scalability conferences", "segwit",...and that the same guys in core (everyone
except Gavin and Garzik) who are against meaningful blocksize increases work
for a private company called Blockstream
who is in the business of blockchain
technology.

I'm sure I sound like a broken record by now to some, but you asked me directly
and I'm telling you the reality as I see it.




In the statement above you are supporting the conspiracy theory that Core is delibretely and secretly stalling. You assert they are just spreading a lot of "ideas" or marketing rhetoric. The evidence, Code and testing,  suggests otherwise.

Than you go on to suggest the lie that everyone who works for core, "besides Gavin and Garzik"  who are against meaningful blocksize increases work for blockstream. Really? All remaining 43(active commits in 2015)  core devs either support large blocks or work for Blockstream?...You can't be serious, as this is easily dis-proven.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
.. I was open to using bitcoin classic in the past now I won't even consider touching it with my experience talking with their supporters...


awww..billy gonna take his ball and go home?   Cry

I am more puzzled and disappointing than upset as profit is a much lower priority to what interests me with bitcoin . You are another example of a bitcoin classic supporter who is very poorly educated and constantly spreading misinformation. Its almost as if you are a troll... but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are merely very misinformed.

Ok, so enlighten me then.  What's the #1 thing in your opinion that you believe I'm misinformed about?
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