For me there is a clear difference between shilling and having an opinion about something and expressing that opinion strongly. A shill blends into the environment, but the
majority of the posts are concentrated on obtaining one specific goal. You only need to browse such a users post history to isolate them. The shill will troll some threads and
post something with little value... but when it comes to his/her main goal, they will post extensively and with vigor. The OP is 100% correct in saying that these people needs to
be identified and labelled... but it's not going to be easy to differentiate between a shill and someone who feel strongly about a subject.
Many of these people joined in,
because they felt strongly about what they perceived as censorship and not really anything to do about block sizes. Yep, which would be part of the agenda itself: to make it seem as if there is a contentious debate and that this contentious debate is being censored.
Bitcoin is and can be many different things to different people, there are many coders and engineers who think that we can scale Bitcoin, therefore I think that we should, even if Core thinks that we should not, their reasons for not doing so remain ideological and I have a distinctly different vision for Bitcoin which also happens to align closer to the original vision of its founder as well. I am sure that there are many people that did originally sign up for this original vision and do not appreciate this bait and switch.
And this is why you are called a liar. The Core people do believe (understand) that Bitcoin needs to scale (hence, you know, the Scaling Bitcoin conferences?), just not in the discredited reckless ways you insist on baselessly continuing to promote, while ignoring all new information and arguments thrown at you.
[...]
I personally am slightly for bigger blocks but am aware that there might be serious risks with hardforking to bigger blocks. But the "style" of the small block militia drives me away from supporting core, blockstream and small blocks.
Problem is... you aren't the only one. I personally am a bit taken back by the current situation. Bitcoin has such promise. If a few reasonable changes were made, it COULD become a global currency, probably THE global currency. Honestly, it has everything going for it - a huge infrastructure buildout, pretty solid user base, good name recognition, almost 10 years of solid debugging and real world lab experience, and yet..... why the heck am I getting this impending sense of doom lately?
The "impending sense of doom lately" comes from the XT people who falsely insisted that there is an urgent need to increase the max block size. Quoting iCEBREAKER's brilliant observation again, "Their Big Lie is that Bitcoin was created to replace commercial banking, not central banking (as if the Genesis Text was about $2 ATM fees instead of TBTF bailouts)." The people behind it happen to be committed statists (believers in "authority" and collectivism and moral relativism).
@Lauda
I appreciate we establish a civlized, intelligent conversation about arguments, not insult, in a thread that was made to insult.
While we do it, someone let the hooligans out which yell from the sideline
I don't care about such kind of childish hatefull chorus, but I have a hard time to understand why you and your co-moderators tolerate that these people rampage your forum and damage the reputation of knowledged small blockers like you and the core developers.
I was really really shocked that
this quote from brg444 was not deleted:
The leaders of this governance coup are now nowhere to be seen, Mike Hearn having revealed themselves as the villain he always was is now gone working full time for the bankers he had probably always been in cahoots with. Gavin Andresen has taken residency over at a forum populated by notorious scammer cypherdoc and dangerous, sociopath, charlatan Peter R. After previously advocating for what was deemed a "safe" immediate increase to 20MB, he is now figuratively begging on his knees for 2MB "compromise" only for the sake of forcing a contentious hard fork on Bitcoin in order to undermine the trust of investors in what projects to be the most important year for Bitcoin yet.
I moderate myself a small bitcoin forum in germany, and I was told so often that I'm too soft against trolls. But I'd never ever allow some nobody with too much time to hooligan social media and to insult and polemize people which, if you like them or not, have done a lot for bitcoin and have brought out interesting research.
Ooooohhh, so shocking that no censorship is applied to free speech but discernment of dishonest shills is. This PC mentality you espouse is what every single authoritarian control system requires to get anywhere at all. It's very interesting how you are substituting "hooligan" for "Nazi", but that's what your German unconscious mind is thinking, isn't it? Just for the fun of it and to keep it short, I'll say this one time: Almost everything you have been told about WWII is a lie. I think you, as with many Germans today, have been indoctrinated into always trying to be so over-the-top "nice" ("tolerant") to people that you are easily taken for a ride by anyone pretending to be nice.
Only the charlatans are not brave/honest enough to come up with a proper name and instead leech on bitcoin's name notoriety.
Only the authoritarians are not brave/honest enough to live by the free market they
claim they espouse to. People calling themselves libertarians, but demanding protectionism in what's supposed to be an open and permissionless system, free from restrictions. I'm pretty left wing myself, you'd probably even call me "statist", but apparently even I have more stomach for an open market than you do, coward.
[...]
I crave the opposite of authority, you're the one who thinks they can tell other people what kind of software they can and can't run to suit your own agenda. You're the authoritarian fascist here. I say let the chips fall where they may, because I embrace a free and open market. I don't fear it as you do. Bitcoin is and should be whatever its users define by the code they run. If you don't want people to have a choice, a closed-source coin would be far better suited to your goals.
So you openly admit that you're a statist (i.e. an involuntaryist, an advocate of slavery), but you call other people "authoritarian"
WTF?
btcusary is a bigot? Who knew....
Wow, this is clear proof of sAt0sHiFanClub's dishonesty. Compare his post to my original post
here.