Pages:
Author

Topic: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) - page 45. (Read 46564 times)

full member
Activity: 267
Merit: 109

I'm afraid you noobs and authority cravers handle bitcoin to USG and corporations for the Big Brother Finale. (FASCIST! Angry)

Bitcoin is about freedom, but freedom is not about democracy.
It is about the individual (as in the individual must be able to mine, run a full node, access the blockchain and cryptographic signatures by himself).
Not the illusion of the greater number of stupid 'marketed' sheeple precipitating the rest into the abyss.

Bitcoin consensus mechanism fights exactly this by preventing social/populist coup over its protocol.

You are stupid if you think any fork attempt will be successful as the previous ones lamely failed and with not even as much people involved as of now.

Bitcoin's protocol is not some incorporated IOS that has to be upgraded every two weekstm.


This is the core of why I don't agree with a lot of the proposals out there. They seek to weaken Bitcoin's cryptography in some way or pass off complete signatures as not necessary. Without a fully verified node you may as well be using pebbles recorded in the rockchain,

You do realize that Simplified Payment Verification (SPV) was a major section in Satoshi's original white paper right?
It was part of the Bitcoin vision from day 1.  So where you do get this shit from?

SPV doesn't weaken the cryptography at all.  You're spouting nonsense.



I have no issues with SPV wallets in general. It is possible to use one that verifies off your own personal server.


It's not nonsense at all. I sense a redditard. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html

Just because it is appropriate for the bitcoin foundation (an institution) to run a full node doesn't mean
every individual user has to...which was the whole point of Satoshi's SPV...So yeah, it IS nonsense.



I'm not going to argue further with yet another brain-damaged BIP101 supporter, as you most certainly are.

Relevant quote from #bitcoin-assets today http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368164

See also: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/

Good luck with your scamcoin.
sr. member
Activity: 409
Merit: 286

About OP discussion, no wonder here is no analysis of top big blocks shills at all, because they just worship small blocks without rational reasons behind, thus most lacking analytical skills at all.

It just shows how disconnected with reality the OP'er has become. This is a side effect of living under a censoring regime. When you only get to see one side of an argument, you start to believe that it is the only narrative.
That's very true, yes, but the interesting phenomena we are witnessing here is that one side of the argument are seemingly completely closed to any new input. Surely many are mindless followers who still watch MSM (i.e. people with a need to be told what to do who go with initial impressions of what feels best and then listen only to confirmatory sources, because they have unknowingly lost the ability to think for themselves), of course, but some seem far too sophisticated in their understanding and writing. Your "Confirmed Gavinista" is reflective of this closed mindset.

I supposse you are serious with this.

It's very strange. If I look at this thread and at all other threads my picture is exactly the opposite.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
^^Saurian Mind Control Gas kicking in.
sr. member
Activity: 433
Merit: 260

About OP discussion, no wonder here is no analysis of top big blocks shills at all, because they just worship small blocks without rational reasons behind, thus most lacking analytical skills at all.

It just shows how disconnected with reality the OP'er has become. This is a side effect of living under a censoring regime. When you only get to see one side of an argument, you start to believe that it is the only narrative.
That's very true, yes, but the interesting phenomena we are witnessing here is that one side of the argument are seemingly completely closed to any new input. Surely many are mindless followers who still watch MSM (i.e. people with a need to be told what to do who go with initial impressions of what feels best and then listen only to confirmatory sources, because they have unknowingly lost the ability to think for themselves), of course, but some seem far too sophisticated in their understanding and writing. Your "Confirmed Gavinista" is reflective of this closed mindset.


Mostly it's just amusing that people around here like to think of themselves as crypto-anarchists, but only until someone disagrees.  Then they swiftly turn into crypto-fascists and start whining about "contentious issues" that shouldn't be discussed and attempting to justify stifling debate about it and calling people "shills".  You're about as anarchistic as the average teenager, but with slightly less of a spine.   Roll Eyes
That's a premature assumption you're making. Obviously it should be discussed, and is being discussed. The point is the observation that one side, or at least the most visible posters of one side, amazingly do not accept new input at all, and just keep reiterating the same false arguments ad nauseum.

Are you operating under the assumption that the "bad guys" are sitting idly by while decentralization undoes their millennia-old consolidation of centralized control over resources? Or do you not even believe there are any "bad guys" and that everything is as the MSM says?


I'm watching this "Small block militia" for some month and this is their master-piece.

Funnily I never found them really discussing reasons about the problems with an increase of the blocklimits (I know that those problems exist, but I'd like to discuss them). Sometimes they answer questions, but if you discuss it, they leave. Usually their habbit is not to discuss, but to start personal attacks, insults, doxxings, character assasination. Their mindset seems to be best characterized by a slavish submissive to authority and hate for everyone whose worldview expands their very narrow perspective on bitcoin and everything else.
You must be joking. The strongest statists among the core devs are the big-blockers! Gavin, Hearn, Garzik, etc. Do some research before you make ridiculous assumptions.


legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1013
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
...

Read up, hdbuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Maybe you'll use your head next time before you start hurling stupidity at people.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini.


Ok, so what you took from what I wrote was that you should start quoting fascist dictators?

[facepalm]

Go back sucking up on Coinbase//MIT popsicle.

The sooner you and your masters fork off tho, the better for bitcoin.

Sure, 'cause no one can freely disagree with an excellent mind such as yours.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
<>
In Orwellian slave-think, "conspiracy theories" is a euphemism for "cannot possibly be true, so I'll ignore it".
<>

George Orwell (Real name: Eric Arthur Blair[stein]) is a Jew. Orwell has often visited Communist meetings and was pro-Stalin. https://shadowmasterminds.wordpress.com/george-orwell-a-jew/
And I ain't too sure about you, either. Angry
So because he was Jewish and/or pro-Communist he had nothing interesting to say and therefore the term "Orwellian" that we have adopted from "1984" should not be used? Great logic bro.

Which part of "with Jews, you lose" don't you get?
Go ahead, keep thinking you're so clever, keep getting brainwashed in Jew schools by insidious Jew books full of Jew lies. Oh, you really pierced the veil now, bro, you really got a handle on The Truth!

Stay glued to those lying pages, while fake Orgone Trucks sit right outside your window, chemtrailing air into poisonous Mind Control Gas.
Sheep.
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination

The only way to truly determine whether big blocks or reduced utility will kill bitcoin is to run the damned experiment.


It is not possible to do any kind of test on test net, because the most important thing we want to observe from a change is its economical impact or its value (if bitcoin worth 0, no one cares about how brilliant its technology is, and it will be useless), this can only be done on live traffic

But because bitcoin is the only meaningful cryptocurrency with enough serious traffic, you can only run the test on bitcoin live traffic, which means you have to reach consensus first. A hard fork is inflation and will kill bitcoin's biggest promise of limited supply and will crash its value, thus will not be accepted by any rational participant

So I think the best test is first let 1MB block fill up, and see what happens, how many people complain and how is each one impacted. If there is no real serious impact or people find work around for their problem, then 1MB can stay for a while. If there are some serious issues popping up, then it proves that 1MB is not enough, so you can raise the limit and everyone is convinced

However, if you start to test with a large block size before 1MB limit was reached, then you would never have the chance to test 1MB full block at later time, and if 1MB is really a brilliant and agile solution, you just forever missed the chance to test it

sr. member
Activity: 433
Merit: 260
<>
In Orwellian slave-think, "conspiracy theories" is a euphemism for "cannot possibly be true, so I'll ignore it".
<>

George Orwell (Real name: Eric Arthur Blair[stein]) is a Jew. Orwell has often visited Communist meetings and was pro-Stalin. https://shadowmasterminds.wordpress.com/george-orwell-a-jew/
And I ain't too sure about you, either. Angry
So because he was Jewish and/or pro-Communist he had nothing interesting to say and therefore the term "Orwellian" that we have adopted from "1984" should not be used? Great logic bro.


You people are wasting your time arguing with Veritas. He will continue with his nonsense no matter how many times you counter his "arguments". The most effective way to oppose him would be to hire a similar person to follow and reply to all his posts.
I'd say the most effective way to expose (not so much "oppose") him is to assemble the strongest evidence and construct a clear case that showcases how improbably it is that he is just a regular clueless follower/fanboy.


legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1013
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
<>
In Orwellian slave-think, "conspiracy theories" is a euphemism for "cannot possibly be true, so I'll ignore it".
<>

George Orwell (Real name: Eric Arthur Blair[stein]) is a Jew. Orwell has often visited Communist meetings and was pro-Stalin. https://shadowmasterminds.wordpress.com/george-orwell-a-jew/
And I ain't too sure about you, either. Angry

I actually applaud him for dragging Orwell into this.

I also seem to remember an episode of QI where Alan Davis used a similar defence against Stephen Fry.

Alan: Everyone said Einstein was a nutter at first, you know
Stephen: They said that about a lot of nutters as well
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
...

Read up, hdbuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Maybe you'll use your head next time before you start hurling stupidity at people.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini.


Ok, so what you took from what I wrote was that you should start quoting fascist dictators?

[facepalm]

Go back sucking up on Coinbase//MIT popsicle.

The sooner you and your masters fork off tho, the better for bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1013
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
...

Read up, hdbuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Maybe you'll use your head next time before you start hurling stupidity at people.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini.


Ok, so what you took from what I wrote was that you should start quoting fascist dictators?

[facepalm]
sr. member
Activity: 471
Merit: 250
BTC trader
You people are wasting your time arguing with Veritas. He will continue with his nonsense no matter how many times you counter his "arguments". The most effective way to oppose him would be to hire a similar person to follow and reply to all his posts.

I don't understand why these huge block shills don't try to persuade the chinese miners with their populist propaganda. Let's say they dumb down 90% of us and we go with their populism - still XT/UL/Classic/Hugeblock/Moonfork would need support from the miners to fork off. So why the efforts present here on this forum?
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
<>
In Orwellian slave-think, "conspiracy theories" is a euphemism for "cannot possibly be true, so I'll ignore it".
<>

George Orwell (Real name: Eric Arthur Blair[stein]) is a Jew. Orwell has often visited Communist meetings and was pro-Stalin. https://shadowmasterminds.wordpress.com/george-orwell-a-jew/
And I ain't too sure about you, either. Angry
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
...

Read up, hdbuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Maybe you'll use your head next time before you start hurling stupidity at people.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini.


Quote from: VeritasSapere
Since I do think that the block size limit should be increased, and right now I have to choose between Core or BIP101, I choose BIP101, even if it a choice between the lesser of two evils. This is a case of political realism. In political thought the lesser of two evils is often the pragmatic reality we have to accept in order to even justify the existence of the state, and we should not think that 90% consensus is practical considering how democracies actually and practically function.

LOL! Why the hell would you want to "justify the existence of the state", especially in these terms, unless you are a proud, ultra-dogmatic, foaming-at-the-mouth slave?

The poor kid apparently studied "political philosophy" Roll Eyes




For now, dump your evidence and/or observations (or even just the case you feel showcases the most obvious shilling) in this thread! Preferrably concisely summarized, though the more detailed and hyperlinked the better.

To my mind, the most obvious case is VeritasSapere. What is the probability that this guy is not employed full-time by a group whose goal it is to destroy Bitcoin? The username itself seems like a clue.
There is no evidence of shilling on either side of the debate, so what is the point in per suing this line of argument? Accusing other people of being shills without evidence is just ad hominem and not conductive towards productive discussion.
The purpose of this thread was/is to assemble the evidence.


Evidence provided with this nonsense spam spewing bot looped into interacting with one of the biggest troll in here (lampnotchop or something)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13521447
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13521944
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13521442
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination
Mining nodes are all already in data centres. We are already far past this point, so I would not consider that to be a good reason not to increase the blocksize. Miners can not "raise the fee" they simply just choose what transactions to include and not to include, collectively this creates a free market for fees. With an arbitrarily small block size limit it has more in common with a centrally planned economy.
This is back to Peter Todd's famous question: If it is already centralized then why make it worse

The relay network that miners are using right now are a perfect example of now we are relying on private company to provide the bitcoin network necessary service. Following this route, in future all the mining nodes will operate on a private company's network, so that a couple of phone call can shut them down right away

Small block size does not preventing you from inventing fee-free transaction services off-chain. In fact, limited at 1MB or limited at 8MB is the same effect
because bitcoin is never going to scale indefinitely. So, if you sooner or later have to limit the block size, then why not do it now when bitcoin core software is still relatively light weight. It is the direction that matters, not parameters
This is the engineers nirvana fallacy, just because Bitcoin does not scale efficiently it does not mean we should not scale Bitcoin at all. I think this is wrong and even small increases to the blocksize will bring massive practical benefits to both people and the protocol as a whole.

Even if one megabyte is the practical limit of the network today, which I do not think is the case, in the future this limit should still be increased in order to reflect the true technological capabilities of the time.

I can agree with the principle that we should not increase the blocksize limit more then our technology will allow, even if one megabyte currently represent this limit which I find hard to believe that this is the case. It does stand that this limit should be increased in the future if we want to see Bitcoin bring about as much utility and benefit as possible. This whole one megabyte forever idea really does not make any sense, I also doubt that Satoshi somehow magically choose this number which would reflect this technological limit now and for all time. Satoshi was actually quite clear on this subject, he thought that the blocksize should be increased when the need to do so arose.

Quote from: Konrad S Graf
The protocol block size limit was added as a temporary anti-spam measure, not a technocratic market-manipulation measure.

So your idea of the block size limit is the technology, but technology can be very different for different parts of the world, you can not expect everywhere in the world have 1GB fiber. Besides, there is the great firewall of China. Just try to open some chinese website like tudou.com or youku.com you will see how slow it is. If most of the cheap electricity and chip manufacturing exists in china, then other miners are limited by the chinese connection speed. A larger block in western will just make it orphaned more frequently by the chinese miners since they have higher hash power and you don't have enough time to broadcast your block to them before they mined their next block
sr. member
Activity: 433
Merit: 260
For now, dump your evidence and/or observations (or even just the case you feel showcases the most obvious shilling) in this thread! Preferrably concisely summarized, though the more detailed and hyperlinked the better.

To my mind, the most obvious case is VeritasSapere. What is the probability that this guy is not employed full-time by a group whose goal it is to destroy Bitcoin? The username itself seems like a clue.
There is no evidence of shilling on either side of the debate, so what is the point in per suing this line of argument? Accusing other people of being shills without evidence is just ad hominem and not conductive towards productive discussion.
The purpose of this thread was/is to assemble the evidence.

Quote from: VeritasSapere
Since I do think that the block size limit should be increased, and right now I have to choose between Core or BIP101, I choose BIP101, even if it a choice between the lesser of two evils. This is a case of political realism. In political thought the lesser of two evils is often the pragmatic reality we have to accept in order to even justify the existence of the state, and we should not think that 90% consensus is practical considering how democracies actually and practically function.
LOL! Why the hell would you want to "justify the existence of the state", especially in these terms, unless you are a proud, ultra-dogmatic, foaming-at-the-mouth slave?

... and join the human race.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

I'm afraid you noobs and authority cravers handle bitcoin to USG and corporations for the Big Brother Finale. (FASCIST! Angry)

Bitcoin is about freedom, but freedom is not about democracy.
It is about the individual (as in the individual must be able to mine, run a full node, access the blockchain and cryptographic signatures by himself).
Not the illusion of the greater number of stupid 'marketed' sheeple precipitating the rest into the abyss.

Bitcoin consensus mechanism fights exactly this by preventing social/populist coup over its protocol.

You are stupid if you think any fork attempt will be successful as the previous ones lamely failed and with not even as much people involved as of now.

Bitcoin's protocol is not some incorporated IOS that has to be upgraded every two weekstm.


This is the core of why I don't agree with a lot of the proposals out there. They seek to weaken Bitcoin's cryptography in some way or pass off complete signatures as not necessary. Without a fully verified node you may as well be using pebbles recorded in the rockchain,

You do realize that Simplified Payment Verification (SPV) was a major section in Satoshi's original white paper right?
It was part of the Bitcoin vision from day 1.  So where you do get this shit from?

SPV doesn't weaken the cryptography at all.  You're spouting nonsense.



I have no issues with SPV wallets in general. It is possible to use one that verifies off your own personal server.


It's not nonsense at all. I sense a redditard. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html

Just because it is appropriate for the bitcoin foundation (an institution) to run a full node doesn't mean
every individual user has to...which was the whole point of Satoshi's SPV...So yeah, it IS nonsense.

full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Why should we sacrifice anything just because some think that they should be paying for coffee with Bitcoin?

Where does this idea come from? Do you genuinely think this is about coffee?
It's about coffee, free beer and airplanes.
Increasing the block size limit is the same as adding more payload to a airplane; it can only take so much before it crashes. It would be wiser to first improve the plane itself.
full member
Activity: 267
Merit: 109

I'm afraid you noobs and authority cravers handle bitcoin to USG and corporations for the Big Brother Finale. (FASCIST! Angry)

Bitcoin is about freedom, but freedom is not about democracy.
It is about the individual (as in the individual must be able to mine, run a full node, access the blockchain and cryptographic signatures by himself).
Not the illusion of the greater number of stupid 'marketed' sheeple precipitating the rest into the abyss.

Bitcoin consensus mechanism fights exactly this by preventing social/populist coup over its protocol.

You are stupid if you think any fork attempt will be successful as the previous ones lamely failed and with not even as much people involved as of now.

Bitcoin's protocol is not some incorporated IOS that has to be upgraded every two weekstm.


This is the core of why I don't agree with a lot of the proposals out there. They seek to weaken Bitcoin's cryptography in some way or pass off complete signatures as not necessary. Without a fully verified node you may as well be using pebbles recorded in the rockchain,

You do realize that Simplified Payment Verification (SPV) was a major section in Satoshi's original white paper right?
It was part of the Bitcoin vision from day 1.  So where you do get this shit from?

SPV doesn't weaken the cryptography at all.  You're spouting nonsense.



I have no issues with SPV wallets in general. It is possible to use one that verifies off your own personal server.


It's not nonsense at all. I sense a redditard. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000

I'm afraid you noobs and authority cravers handle bitcoin to USG and corporations for the Big Brother Finale. (FASCIST! Angry)

Bitcoin is about freedom, but freedom is not about democracy.
It is about the individual (as in the individual must be able to mine, run a full node, access the blockchain and cryptographic signatures by himself).
Not the illusion of the greater number of stupid 'marketed' sheeple precipitating the rest into the abyss.

Bitcoin consensus mechanism fights exactly this by preventing social/populist coup over its protocol.

You are stupid if you think any fork attempt will be successful as the previous ones lamely failed and with not even as much people involved as of now.

Bitcoin's protocol is not some incorporated IOS that has to be upgraded every two weekstm.


This is the core of why I don't agree with a lot of the proposals out there. They seek to weaken Bitcoin's cryptography in some way or pass off complete signatures as not necessary. Without a fully verified node you may as well be using pebbles recorded in the rockchain,

You do realize that Simplified Payment Verification (SPV) was a major section in Satoshi's original white paper right?
It was part of the Bitcoin vision from day 1.  So where you do get this shit from?

SPV doesn't weaken the cryptography at all.  You're spouting nonsense.



I have no issues with SPV wallets in general. It is possible to use one that verifies off your own personal server.
Pages:
Jump to: