I got censored on bitcointalk.org.(a single post of mine that was deleted from this thread is a form of silencing of speech)
Bitcoin is going to need a lot of work. We're definitely not there yet.
What I've seen is a lot of misinformation floating about in this part of the Bitcoin community and it looks like any discussion of diversity here would fall on deaf ears. Well at least I know I'm not gonna try to discuss with anybody here because it's literally a "boys club".
Topic: Anita Sarkeesian - Feminist Frequency - Donating in Bitcoin - page 6. (Read 39015 times)
Is this the woman who made a fairly large sum of money from a kickstarter campaign and then went on an extravagant holiday with her partner not releasing any content for almost a year after the compaign was funded? The same woman who was caught on video saying she was not a fan of video games but now claims to have been playing them all of her life? The one that previously tried these same tactics on the music and film industry but got no attention?
What a joke.
What a joke.
Now on the general topic of Women in Bitcoin which probably needs to be solved to some degree before Sarkeesian will even respond to any request of her addressing Bitcoin at all, is this:
Andreas M. Antonopoulos may not be a feminist but he wants women to feel welcome in the Bitcoin space(and I hope some of you do too, and are not only speaking up at Reddit but also here on bitcointalk.org) and that is worthy of respect.
This video "Q&A with Andreas Antonopoulos - Bitcoin in 2015 and beyond" published Jan 8, 2015 http://youtu.be/1DG98FH1qlo?t=55m36s links directly to the topic about Women and Bitcoin.
If you find any corrections or if you proofread or heard something in the video that was said and that isn't found in my transcript after 55:36 then please let me know so I can correct it, pm me about it then. "" is one part where I didn't hear what somebody said so if you heard it please let me know so I can add it. I would like to get help so the transcript is totally alright.
I created this transcript myself since I didn't find any other on the world wide web:
@paulbuitink at 55:36 "we're almost running out of time but I'd just wanted to address the whole situation with women and Bitcoin, I know it's one of your hot topics Andreas example where we don't only see guys but also female entrepreneurs and developers participating. We have Annet here so maybe you guys discuss among yourselves how come there is such a limited amount of women in the whole of Bitcoin sphere."
Andreas M. Antonopoulos at 56:08 "Annet, why don't you go ahead?"
Annet de Boer @BitKassaNL at 56:10 "Yes. Well I think it's in a way expected that women are in less numbers than men because I think the audience that attracts to Bitcoin are either way tech savvy people and in that area women are already less...visible than men and well we have the groups of traders that are interested in Bitcoin and I think that's another area where women are not so well represented. People who are looking to invest in promising startups for example, that's another area where women are not so well represented so I think the whole subject is the sum of all the parts where women will tend to be less visible than men, but they are there, I know they are there. I'm not the only one, fortunately. I also would like to thank you Andreas that you as one of the role models in Bitcoin have an active opinion on diversity and I saw your website that you don't even attend/speak at conferences when they don't adopt an anti-harassment policy for example and I think that's very good to raise awareness amongst other people, maybe make it a bit more welcome also for women to come and take a look"
Andreas M. Antonopoulos at 57:59 "Yeah, thank you so much Annet, I have to say that my experience with this has been rather disappointing because once I started talking about this topic I got two reactions: One was extremely hostile response from some of the male personalities in the space including death threats and threats of violence and at the same time I heard from literally dozens of women telling me about their negative experiences where when attending a Bitcoin meetup or Bitcoin conference they have been harassed, dismissed, ridiculed, sexually assaulted, sexually propositioned and treated in a way that is truly appaling and disgusting and awful. Part of the issue here as Annet said is that finance, libertarians and technology are already areas where women are underrepresented but there are also areas where some of the men in the space are actively hostile and/or exploitative and/or predatory towards women and what that means is that the experience of the average person who gets into Bitcoin is very different depending on whether they are male or female. Males who enter Bitcoin generally find it to be an exciting space full of opportunity and interesting people and women who enter Bitcoin go to these meetings and they are received in a way where they are objectified, talked down to, touched inappropriately, propositioned, asked for dates, commented on their looks, all kinds of behaviour that is really juvenile at best and dangerously predatory in some cases and for the most part the organisers of these events turn a blind eye, even when they are notified that these things they tend to re-victimize the victim and eventually push women out of this space so it's not just a matter of women being underrepresented, it's also a matter of this being a space that is actively hostile to women in many cases. I would encourage people if you have a conference, certainly if it is a conference I'm attending, I do not attend conferences unless there is not just a published anit-harassment policy but one that is enforced which has a reporting structure that if someone is being harassed or they experience this kind of behaviour they will report it to someone who is trusted, someone who will take action in a specified manner and will follow the policy that excludes the harasser and not punish the victim again. Most of these incidences don't go reported because the people who are exploited are not in a position of power in this industry and if they say anything they end up getting kicked out of the group. I think this is a relatively toxic environment. It has changed a bit in the last year, as Bitcoin goes mainstream, its value become more mainstream as well and gradually we are seeing more and more people from different parts of life: male, female, different races, different ethnicities, different sexual orientations, people from different social status or economic status joining Bitcoin. We are seeing the diversity increase gradually, but it's still very much a white male 30-45 dominated area and so we need to be aware of what image we give to the outside world and how welcoming we are or how hostile we are to those that are trying to join because Bitcoin only succeeds if we make it as diverse as possible. That's a topic I really care about and as I've said before I just simply about a year and a half ago I took a pledge and said 'I'm not going to any conference unless they have, and in force a sexual harassment policy'. It is very easy to do that if you speak at conferences, you should expect that. You will notice that I will not go to certain very large, well-known conferences happening and if you wonder why I'm not at these conferences usually it's because the organisers of the conference either refused to implement such a policy or make a joke of it and don't really enforce it or because the line-up is almost entirely male dominated. One of these conferences I went to recently took some of the best speakers in the space and put them all in a single panel called Women in Bitcoin. Here you had VCs and investors and lawyers, smart contracts specialists and all kinds of bright people who had lots of interesting things to talk about but they were put on a panel to talk about the fact that they were female. That's not diversity. That's a joke."
@paulbuitink at 1:03.32 "Let's hope that Satoshi is a woman then"
Andreas at 1:03:36 "I like to think that she is at a conference and maybe you'll meet her."
@JopHartog at 1:03:42 "Great"
@paylbuitink at 1:03:44 "Any more questions?"
Andreas M. Antonopoulos at 1:03:47 "I can tell you I get a lot of death threats and hate mail for saying that too"
@paylbuitink at 1:03:54 "Well I think it's first it's good for the Bitcoin sphere also to get more adoption and get a better ambience within the industry. Any other questions maybe from Annet before you wrap up?
@JopHartog at 1:04:14 "No, thank you."
@paylbuitink at 1:04:16 thanks Andreas and then asks about Andreas book.
Corrections and help in the transcript is welcome.
Andreas M. Antonopoulos may not be a feminist but he wants women to feel welcome in the Bitcoin space(and I hope some of you do too, and are not only speaking up at Reddit but also here on bitcointalk.org) and that is worthy of respect.
This video "Q&A with Andreas Antonopoulos - Bitcoin in 2015 and beyond" published Jan 8, 2015 http://youtu.be/1DG98FH1qlo?t=55m36s links directly to the topic about Women and Bitcoin.
If you find any corrections or if you proofread or heard something in the video that was said and that isn't found in my transcript after 55:36 then please let me know so I can correct it, pm me about it then. "
I created this transcript myself since I didn't find any other on the world wide web:
@paulbuitink at 55:36 "we're almost running out of time but I'd just wanted to address the whole situation with women and Bitcoin, I know it's one of your hot topics Andreas
Andreas M. Antonopoulos at 56:08 "Annet, why don't you go ahead?"
Annet de Boer @BitKassaNL at 56:10 "Yes. Well I think it's in a way expected that women are in less numbers than men because I think the audience that attracts to Bitcoin are either way tech savvy people and in that area women are already less...visible than men and well we have the groups of traders that are interested in Bitcoin and I think that's another area where women are not so well represented. People who are looking to invest in promising startups for example, that's another area where women are not so well represented so I think the whole subject is the sum of all the parts where women will tend to be less visible than men, but they are there, I know they are there. I'm not the only one, fortunately. I also would like to thank you Andreas that you as one of the role models in Bitcoin have an active opinion on diversity and I saw your website that you don't even attend/speak at conferences when they don't adopt an anti-harassment policy for example and I think that's very good to raise awareness amongst other people, maybe make it a bit more welcome also for women to come and take a look"
Andreas M. Antonopoulos at 57:59 "Yeah, thank you so much Annet, I have to say that my experience with this has been rather disappointing because once I started talking about this topic I got two reactions: One was extremely hostile response from some of the male personalities in the space including death threats and threats of violence and at the same time I heard from literally dozens of women telling me about their negative experiences where when attending a Bitcoin meetup or Bitcoin conference they have been harassed, dismissed, ridiculed, sexually assaulted, sexually propositioned and treated in a way that is truly appaling and disgusting and awful. Part of the issue here as Annet said is that finance, libertarians and technology are already areas where women are underrepresented but there are also areas where some of the men in the space are actively hostile and/or exploitative and/or predatory towards women and what that means is that the experience of the average person who gets into Bitcoin is very different depending on whether they are male or female. Males who enter Bitcoin generally find it to be an exciting space full of opportunity and interesting people and women who enter Bitcoin go to these meetings and they are received in a way where they are objectified, talked down to, touched inappropriately, propositioned, asked for dates, commented on their looks, all kinds of behaviour that is really juvenile at best and dangerously predatory in some cases and for the most part the organisers of these events turn a blind eye, even when they are notified that these things they tend to re-victimize the victim and eventually push women out of this space so it's not just a matter of women being underrepresented, it's also a matter of this being a space that is actively hostile to women in many cases. I would encourage people if you have a conference, certainly if it is a conference I'm attending, I do not attend conferences unless there is not just a published anit-harassment policy but one that is enforced which has a reporting structure that if someone is being harassed or they experience this kind of behaviour they will report it to someone who is trusted, someone who will take action in a specified manner and will follow the policy that excludes the harasser and not punish the victim again. Most of these incidences don't go reported because the people who are exploited are not in a position of power in this industry and if they say anything they end up getting kicked out of the group. I think this is a relatively toxic environment. It has changed a bit in the last year, as Bitcoin goes mainstream, its value become more mainstream as well and gradually we are seeing more and more people from different parts of life: male, female, different races, different ethnicities, different sexual orientations, people from different social status or economic status joining Bitcoin. We are seeing the diversity increase gradually, but it's still very much a white male 30-45 dominated area and so we need to be aware of what image we give to the outside world and how welcoming we are or how hostile we are to those that are trying to join because Bitcoin only succeeds if we make it as diverse as possible. That's a topic I really care about and as I've said before I just simply about a year and a half ago I took a pledge and said 'I'm not going to any conference unless they have, and in force a sexual harassment policy'. It is very easy to do that if you speak at conferences, you should expect that. You will notice that I will not go to certain very large, well-known conferences happening and if you wonder why I'm not at these conferences usually it's because the organisers of the conference either refused to implement such a policy or make a joke of it and don't really enforce it or because the line-up is almost entirely male dominated. One of these conferences I went to recently took some of the best speakers in the space and put them all in a single panel called Women in Bitcoin. Here you had VCs and investors and lawyers, smart contracts specialists and all kinds of bright people who had lots of interesting things to talk about but they were put on a panel to talk about the fact that they were female. That's not diversity. That's a joke."
@paulbuitink at 1:03.32 "Let's hope that Satoshi is a woman then"
Andreas at 1:03:36 "I like to think that she is at a conference and maybe you'll meet her."
@JopHartog at 1:03:42 "Great"
@paylbuitink at 1:03:44 "Any more questions?"
Andreas M. Antonopoulos at 1:03:47 "I can tell you I get a lot of death threats and hate mail for saying that too"
@paylbuitink at 1:03:54 "Well I think it's
@JopHartog at 1:04:14 "No, thank you."
@paylbuitink at 1:04:16 thanks Andreas and then asks about Andreas book.
Corrections and help in the transcript is welcome.
This woman clearly is spreading hatred for personal gain. I consider myself a male feminist but disagree with the vast majority of what she said. She doesn't provide solutions, only highlights existing and well acknowledged problems.
Real feminists do NOT believe in what Anita Sarkeesian has to say.
She is a con person, who makes money from the donations of people who know very little about gaming, and feminism.
She has very little experience with gaming, most of the games shown on her channel are just unauthorised copying of other YouTuber's gameplay and just posting it as her own - in fact the game play has the exact same points as the YouTube gamers.
She has yet to finish here Kickstarter project, and is currently well over 2 years behind on schedule, and has only done half the videos she had promised. Apparently a big amount of money was supposed to go into playing and researching the game, but this cannot be true if she just makes blatant claims on random games. She somehow managed to also find something bad to say about Bioshock Infinite:DLC3 - that game and DLC pretty much supports gender equality.
I believe in gender equality, and basically equality between all humans (not in a communism way) - but she is a liar.
She is a con person, who makes money from the donations of people who know very little about gaming, and feminism.
She has very little experience with gaming, most of the games shown on her channel are just unauthorised copying of other YouTuber's gameplay and just posting it as her own - in fact the game play has the exact same points as the YouTube gamers.
She has yet to finish here Kickstarter project, and is currently well over 2 years behind on schedule, and has only done half the videos she had promised. Apparently a big amount of money was supposed to go into playing and researching the game, but this cannot be true if she just makes blatant claims on random games. She somehow managed to also find something bad to say about Bioshock Infinite:DLC3 - that game and DLC pretty much supports gender equality.
I believe in gender equality, and basically equality between all humans (not in a communism way) - but she is a liar.
People like Anita Sarkeesian are an insult to real feminists, stop trying to idolise her, I'm amazed you've kept this thread going for so long.
To real feminists like yourself? Do you have data or you only want to rant? Feminist Frequency hasn't only received contributions from Anita Sarkeesian. Jonathan McIntosh has also contributed. Did you watch 25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male?
Yes darling, everything is sexist. Now fuck off.
People like Anita Sarkeesian are an insult to real feminists, stop trying to idolise her, I'm amazed you've kept this thread going for so long.
Better post this timemark https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gAyncf3DBUQ#t=434
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
Femnazis are not interested in science, so don't bother them with facts, data and stuff like that. Like any other fanatics they are victimizing themselfs, demonizing the enemy and attempting to attract as much attention as they can for braiwashing the rest. Anita Sarkeesian tried to extend this sceme to one of the last bastions of manfolk but thanks to God she failed miserably. Certainly she and her followers don't want to give up on this "profitable" market segment.
I think that it has been already stated before that tjohej can't even assimilate the ideology she is supporting. I can't understand why people try to have some constructive discussion with her after she's proven over and over that she isn't even able to type down 2 different sentences without contradicting her own self or without going extremely out of context and derails to prove a point, but also fails miserably to do so. Let's bring an end to this thread. There's no reason to keep bringing it back from the dead since discussion here has nothing to offer.
Ignored for going offtopic and assuming stuff about my person. Go to the other thread I opened if you want to be ontopic. Being a good Ad Hominem candidate doesn't make it acceptable for you to post here and assuming stuff about my person without replying to the topic at hand.Do you even know how to read a first post? If you are not interested you don't post in a thread, but feel free to ask whomever you want to close the thread. If the community thinks this thread is worthless then I assume it should be closed, if it is damaging to even mention "feminism".
I think that it has been already stated before that tjohej can't even assimilate the ideology she is supporting. I can't understand why people try to have some constructive discussion with her after she's proven over and over that she isn't even able to type down 2 different sentences without contradicting her own self or without going extremely out of context and derails to prove a point, but also fails miserably to do so. Let's bring an end to this thread. There's no reason to keep bringing it back from the dead since discussion here has nothing to offer.
Better post this timemark https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gAyncf3DBUQ#t=434
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
Femnazis are not interested in science, so don't bother them with facts, data and stuff like that. Like any other fanatics they are victimizing themselfs, demonizing the enemy and attempting to attract as much attention as they can for braiwashing the rest. Anita Sarkeesian tried to extend this sceme to one of the last bastions of manfolk but thanks to God she failed miserably. Certainly she and her followers don't want to give up on this "profitable" market segment.
That's exactly what is it, profitable. They want to get as much attention as possible, to make headlines and make money off that attention.
Do you know biology?
Do you know that this thread is about Anita Sarkeesian and not biology? Do you also know that Anita Sarkeesian analyzes video games and not biology? Maybe learn a thing or two before posting.What It Feels Like to Be a Gamergate Target Published on Jan 14, 2015 by ABC News
There's also the 25 Male Gamer Privileges video by Jonathan McIntosh. Very educational. To solve a problem you first need to understand it.
25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male Published on Dec 2, 2014
You make no sense, at all. If a women's body is seen as a sexual object by both men(straight) and other women, what does that say? It's out of our control, it's something were born with, it's biological. It can't be changed. Your points make no sense. I wholly agree that violence against women is entirely wrong and should be condemned, but thinking a woman is "sexy" is not wrong. Would you rather evolution designed it so we thought of women generally as unattractive, sexually?
Exactly.
Better post this timemark https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gAyncf3DBUQ#t=434
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
Femnazis are not interested in science, so don't bother them with facts, data and stuff like that. Like any other fanatics they are victimizing themselfs, demonizing the enemy and attempting to attract as much attention as they can for braiwashing the rest. Anita Sarkeesian tried to extend this sceme to one of the last bastions of manfolk but thanks to God she failed miserably. Certainly she and her followers don't want to give up on this "profitable" market segment.
Better post this timemark https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gAyncf3DBUQ#t=434
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
No one could scientifically draw a connection between violence and games and suddenly, with sexism it's supposed to be the case, not because any of these feminazis did science on it, but just because they say so and they play the part of a pseudo-victim? Seriously, GTFO.
People getting pissed at your stupidity has nothing to do with you being or not being a woman or a man. It's got to do with you being stupid.
Do you know biology?
Do you know that this thread is about Anita Sarkeesian and not biology? Do you also know that Anita Sarkeesian analyzes video games and not biology? Maybe learn a thing or two before posting.What It Feels Like to Be a Gamergate Target Published on Jan 14, 2015 by ABC News
There's also the 25 Male Gamer Privileges video by Jonathan McIntosh. Very educational. To solve a problem you first need to understand it.
25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male Published on Dec 2, 2014
btw not all video games are sexist
Ok, nice. What is your opinion on Anita Sarkeesian and her work? Have you seen her tropes vs women in video games or "women as background decoration"? This thread is about that. Not about the things you mention.This isn't a thread about aviation pilots. It's about an individual called Anita Sarkeesian and her project Feminist Frequency who does videos about computer/video games.
Nobody here who knows what "on topic" means? Or as I guess too difficult a topic to answer, because lack of courage.
Do you know biology?
Do you know, that when men or even other women are given "pieces" of women to look at, such as just the breasts or buttocks, they tend the view the woman as a sexual object?
Did you know that? Did you also know that sexuality and arousal tests on women since the 1960's show that women are aroused by other women, regardless of their self-identifying sexual orientation?
Yea, so biology makes all your "feminist" points null and void, since not only men(straight men), but women themselves view other women as sexual objects.
btw not all video games are sexist
Ok, nice. What is your opinion on Anita Sarkeesian and her work? Have you seen her tropes vs women in video games or "women as background decoration"? This thread is about that. Not about the things you mention.This isn't a thread about aviation pilots. It's about an individual called Anita Sarkeesian and her project Feminist Frequency who does videos about computer/video games.
Nobody here who knows what "on topic" means? Or as I guess too difficult a topic to answer, because lack of courage.
btw not all video games are sexist
at least not the one and only game i like to play (it a combat flight simulator..)
but i didn't find many women (only 2 in many years of playing it on-line) who would actually like it !
is it because girls are getting dolls to play and boys leggo?
nowdays there are more and more women combat pilots and general aviation pilots
at least not the one and only game i like to play (it a combat flight simulator..)
but i didn't find many women (only 2 in many years of playing it on-line) who would actually like it !
is it because girls are getting dolls to play and boys leggo?
nowdays there are more and more women combat pilots and general aviation pilots
uh?
the more i dig in this forum
the more strange it seems.
the more i dig in this forum
the more strange it seems.
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