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Topic: [ANN] a-ads.com: Bitcoin advertising network. Advertise now! - page 57. (Read 174690 times)

legendary
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Something seems off with the counting of unique visitors today. My site has a pretty consistent amount of visitors per day. Today it seems that it just stopped counting unique visitors about 3/4 of the way through the day. I run two separate analytics platforms and they are giving accurate visits/views. A-ads is showing much less and I'm pretty sure my none of my visitors would have visited any of the other publishers sites because my niche is different than most.

Any idea why this might be?

Thanks in advance.

Could you please give me ad unit id?
newbie
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Something seems off with the counting of unique visitors today. My site has a pretty consistent amount of visitors per day. Today it seems that it just stopped counting unique visitors about 3/4 of the way through the day. I run two separate analytics platforms and they are giving accurate visits/views. A-ads is showing much less and I'm pretty sure my none of my visitors would have visited any of the other publishers sites because my niche is different than most.

Any idea why this might be?

Thanks in advance.
legendary
Activity: 1199
Merit: 1012
The problem has been fixed, everything seems to work normally.
legendary
Activity: 1199
Merit: 1012
ad shower Stop tracking?

please check it

Thanks for your message. Yes, we have a technical problem now and are working to resolve it. Statistics and deposits/withdrawals will be delayed. Ad rotation works fine, but changes to advertising campaigns won't propagate until we fix the problem. Sorry for inconvenience.
full member
Activity: 140
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ad shower Stop tracking?

please check it
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1118
If I put the same ad unit twice on my page, will it not affect my earnings?

If most of your income comes from untargetted advertisers' daily budgets, then it won't significantly affect your earnings since we distribute advertisers' money between publishers with respect to amount of globally unique traffic they generate, and this number doesn't depend on amount of banners placed on the page.

However if placing additional banner improves the chances that your visitor will buy from advertiser who rewards for sales, then it might increase your earnings.

E. g. we are such an advertiser. If your visitor comes to us from your ad unit and creates an ad, you will receive 50% of fees collected from that ad.

I am not sure how many advertisers do it, but according to our global stats goals make ~5% of publishers' income.

Alright, then. Thanks.
legendary
Activity: 1199
Merit: 1012
If I put the same ad unit twice on my page, will it not affect my earnings?

If most of your income comes from untargetted advertisers' daily budgets, then it won't significantly affect your earnings since we distribute advertisers' money between publishers with respect to amount of globally unique traffic they generate, and this number doesn't depend on amount of banners placed on the page.

However if placing additional banner improves the chances that your visitor will buy from advertiser who rewards for sales, then it might increase your earnings.

E. g. we are such an advertiser. If your visitor comes to us from your ad unit and creates an ad, you will receive 50% of fees collected from that ad.

I am not sure how many advertisers do it, but according to our global stats goals make ~5% of publishers' income.
legendary
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If I put the same ad unit twice on my page, will it not affect my earnings?
legendary
Activity: 1199
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We implemented several features for advertisers:
  • Advertisers can see how much traffic they get from each ad unit (sorted by non-unique clicks)
  • Advertisers can ban/unban ad units
  • Advertisers can see if their campaign is waiting for moderation

Also fixed couple issues in statistics.
legendary
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...should I get 1/2 of whatever is paid per day into your system (maybe 0.25B per day) ?

Yes, if you generate about half of our unique traffic, you are likely to get about half of publishers' income. It is a rough estimation though since advertisers are free to distribute their money as they like. If all of them just add root category to their campaign and pay (and you allow any ads), then yes, you get a half.

Please note that IPs that are unique for your site might not be unique for a-ads (e. g. if you get 100 pageviews from 10 IPs, but we saw 9 of those IPs from other publishers, we count only 1 unique IP for you).

Also if you are restrictive (e. g. you don't allow gambling ads) then you are likely to receive less than that. On the other hand if you generate quality traffic or for some other reason advertisers want to buy ads specifically from you - you are likely to receive more than that.

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or does every advertiser have to choose a particular publisher before I get any payout and then its only from that advertiser?
Considering its really impossible for advertisers to find my website to advertise on  (as its listed as "Ad Unit #XXXX") and you need lots of clicks to get to it/let alone find it..

Advertisers can buy ads specifically from you. E. g. if you hover the a-ads icon on top-right of your ad unit you will see "Your ad here" link. That is one of the ways to buy ads specifically from your site without spending much time in the catalog.

Advertisers can also use search to find your site if they know your URL, or they can select a category that contains your site. Many advertisers select just root category or "Bitcoin" (they can navigate the catalog and see the average traffic & CPM for each category).

The system is pretty flexible, the main principle is simple: advertisers pay to ad units (either explicitly via goal tracking API, or implicitly via targeting and daily budget) and get a share of impressions from them. It is somewhat tough to use it though, that's why advertising is cheap. But we aim to improve it.
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Geek
Edit: I read the numbers wrong... it says: 347K adverts not 15K so my numbers below are wrong..  but if there was only 15K (at the moment) unique impressions per day......

You say that base the payout on the number of unique ip addresses.

At the moment (on your home page) you say you have around 15,000 Unique IP Addresses/day

Say I have 15,000 Unique IP Addresses/day (I have a lot more).. should I get 1/2 of whatever is paid per day into your system (maybe 0.25B per day) ? or does every advertiser have to choose a particular publisher before I get any payout and then its only from that advertiser?

Considering its really impossible for advertisers to find my website to advertise on  (as its listed as "Ad Unit #XXXX") and you need lots of clicks to get to it/let alone find it..

Thanks..

Just trying to figure this out.


legendary
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Thanks for your comments, LennonNZ!

How do you know what a Unique Impression is. As I have lots (Well all of them) of mobile users a lot of carriers NAT them to the same IP Address.

We count globally unique IPs per 24 hour period. That means if we saw this IP during last 24 hours, it won't be counted as unique (even if that impression was not from your site).

It shouldn't be a problem since we are not pay-per-click or pay-per-impression. We distribute advertisers' money among publishers with respect to their unique traffic. So absolute numbers are not important (only the relative ones are) and all the publishers are in equal position.

I have a 300x250 advert and it shows 3 text ads. At the moment 2 of them are the same all the time. Maybe you can change it so it only shows unique adverts and doesn't show the same advert twice/three times.

Probably that means that advertisers that paid to your site don't have graphic banners of 300x250 currently.  Probability of each ad being shown on publishers' site depends on amount of money paid by advertiser to that site. If there are only 2 advertisers for this ad unit then there is not much we can do about it. Though there are 21 active advertising campaigns currently, so it is a bit strange. What's your ad unit id?

Are the places which the adverts linked to actually looked at. I can see 1 advert at the moment.. all it goes to is another page with a single advert on it.

Yes, ads are pre-moderated. We ban obviously harmful content, and flag controversial one as such in order to protect publishers from ads that they wouldn't allow. However this process is subjective, so if you feel we made a mistake - please let us know.

the Quality of pages where your adverts are on. Do you check them?
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There is no content except adverts! If someone is searching for a certain website to place their adverts on .. its near impossible.

No, we are not restrictive towards our publishers, we don't evaluate the quality of publishers' sites and traffic they generate. We kind of shift this responsibility to advertisers.

Advertisers can either find particular sites in catalog (or using search feature), or start a massive advertising campaign with enabled goal tracking and find out which traffic sources are efficient for them. Then advertisers can use an API to reward efficient ad units in order to get more traffic from them. Alternatively they can start a new campaign with ad units that work good for them.

However I agree that catalog is not convenient. There are many useful sites in it, but they are hard to find among all that trash. We plan to change it.

Thanks again for your time & feedback!
member
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Geek
And.... (yes I'm posting as I'm checking things out)

the Quality of pages where your adverts are on. Do you check them?

http://phivan.yolasite.com

There is no content except adverts! If someone is searching for a certain website to place their adverts on .. its near impossible.

http://b1batdau.jav-heaven.com

I didn't know you could have that many adverts on 1 page.

+ lots more..

Maybe you should have quality checks/rules about other adverts on pages.. actually having some decent content...

member
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Geek
Just one more thing..

Are the places which the adverts linked to actually looked at. I can see 1 advert at the moment.. all it goes to is another page with a single advert on it.

For an advertising network to go well it has to have quality advertisers..
member
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Geek
Just a comment..

I have a 300x250 advert and it shows 3 text ads. At the moment 2 of them are the same all the time. Maybe you can change it so it only shows unique adverts and doesn't show the same advert twice/three times.

member
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Geek
How do you know what a Unique Impression is. As I have lots (Well all of them) of mobile users a lot of carriers NAT them to the same IP Address.

Do you set a cookie or alike or do you just unique the ip address (not very good)

legendary
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legendary
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Hi guys, I decided to type up and share my first experiences using your ad network.  It seems like a great idea and I'd like to see it succeed.

I decided to try your network for a few reasons: 1.) you accept bitcoin!  2.) I like the anon/privacy aspect of your service  3.) I saw your site mentioned here on bitcointalk and also involved in the European bitcoin conference  4.) I wanted to test advertising a gambling-related site, and I see many ad networks do not support that type of link.

My main concern with using this network was click fraud.  I know this a major issue with all internet advertising (I recently read this:    A quarter of online ad traffic is fraudulent / The Amount of Questionable Online Traffic Will Blow Your Mind) but I was especially concerned using this network, because bitcoin and anonymous seem to attract the worst of the scammers.  I have some confidence that big advertisers like Google can do some things to fight this, but less confident that new/small networks like this one can do anything.

I used a link-shortener that gives me some tracking/analytics as my advertised URL in an attempt to audit where some of these clicks are coming from.

So here's some "results" from my first campaign:

I've just shut it down and requested a refund of my remaining balance because my guess is that nearly 100% of the clicks I paid for were fraudulent.

I turned the campaign on before I went to bed last night, now turned it off this morning, and paid approximately 0.05 BTC while it ran.

I had three places to measure "metrics" on how this fraud campaign was doing: 1.) a-ads.com itself said I got 1,039 clicks, 2.) the link-shortener analytics said 2,437 clicks, and 3.) the destination gambling site registered 1,293 new cookies, but apparently ZERO new "conversions" (i.e. someone actually depositing bitcoins and gambling).

Here's some analytics from the link-shortener on where most of these clicks came from:

Referrers
amnhac.co.vu       674
tinhot.co.vu          521
tieuthuyet.co.vu    382
ad.a-ads.com       300
briankt.co.vu        194
stevenkt.co.vu      153
sharetut.co.vu      101
emtoikhong.co.vu   98
direct (email, IM, apps)   13

If you take a look at any of those .vu referrer pages, it seems that some "clever entrepreneur / scammer" has been gaming your system.

So in conclusion, great idea, I would love to see it work, but I will not be attempting any further campaigns here until I have some kind of assurance that I'm accomplishing something besides making professional scammers slightly richer.

Thank you very much for this research.

You are right, filtering the traffic is not trivial for small companies. And we don't do it. What we do is we shift the responsibility & control towards advertisers as they are the only ones that know if their advertising campaigns are efficient. We don't charge per click or per impression. If one generates tons of clicks - that doesn't mean he receives tons of money.

We just redistribute advertising budgets among ad units with respect to their globally-unique traffic. Advertisers get a proportional share of impressions in return. Advertisers can select specific traffic sources they pay to. In fact they have full control over their money via Goal Tracking API (though it appeared to be complicated, so we plan to simplify it somehow).

The idea is that you start an advertising campaign, track efficiency of ad units, filter out the ones that are inefficient or fraudulent, reward the ones that are good and generate registrations/sales/deep views (and thus get more impressions from them). That's up to you. Just enable the checkbox "Goal tracking" in the campaign's options and you'll receive a GET parameter (that identifies campaign and ad unit) with each visitor.

TL;DR: So, yes, scammers will always generate fake traffic, but we don't pay per click. Advertisers can pay selectively to the ones that work good for them. You can enable goal traffic for your campaign to track the traffic sources and reward the ones that are good.

Thanks again for your time & feedback. This is a very common problem for our new advertisers. We plan to make it easier for advertisers to pay selectively and to blacklist ad units they don't like.
sr. member
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Hi guys, I decided to type up and share my first experiences using your ad network.  It seems like a great idea and I'd like to see it succeed.

I decided to try your network for a few reasons: 1.) you accept bitcoin!  2.) I like the anon/privacy aspect of your service  3.) I saw your site mentioned here on bitcointalk and also involved in the European bitcoin conference  4.) I wanted to test advertising a gambling-related site, and I see many ad networks do not support that type of link.

My main concern with using this network was click fraud.  I know this a major issue with all internet advertising (I recently read this:    A quarter of online ad traffic is fraudulent / The Amount of Questionable Online Traffic Will Blow Your Mind) but I was especially concerned using this network, because bitcoin and anonymous seem to attract the worst of the scammers.  I have some confidence that big advertisers like Google can do some things to fight this, but less confident that new/small networks like this one can do anything.

I used a link-shortener that gives me some tracking/analytics as my advertised URL in an attempt to audit where some of these clicks are coming from.

So here's some "results" from my first campaign:

I've just shut it down and requested a refund of my remaining balance because my guess is that nearly 100% of the clicks I paid for were fraudulent.

I turned the campaign on before I went to bed last night, now turned it off this morning, and paid approximately 0.05 BTC while it ran.

I had three places to measure "metrics" on how this fraud campaign was doing: 1.) a-ads.com itself said I got 1,039 clicks, 2.) the link-shortener analytics said 2,437 clicks, and 3.) the destination gambling site registered 1,293 new cookies, but apparently ZERO new "conversions" (i.e. someone actually depositing bitcoins and gambling).

Here's some analytics from the link-shortener on where most of these clicks came from:

Referrers
amnhac.co.vu       674
tinhot.co.vu          521
tieuthuyet.co.vu    382
ad.a-ads.com       300
briankt.co.vu        194
stevenkt.co.vu      153
sharetut.co.vu      101
emtoikhong.co.vu   98
direct (email, IM, apps)   13

If you take a look at any of those .vu referrer pages, it seems that some "clever entrepreneur / scammer" has been gaming your system.

So in conclusion, great idea, I would love to see it work, but I will not be attempting any further campaigns here until I have some kind of assurance that I'm accomplishing something besides making professional scammers slightly richer.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1045
Are the payments being delayed now? I always had the payment processed immediately but today the counter changed from 0.01BTC back to 0 but that wasn't processed and I wasn't paid yet.

Everything seems to be working normally. It may take up to ~1 hour to process the withdrawal. Please let me know if it won't happen. Thanks for your question!
Got it! It took a little longer than usual, just wanted to know if things changed on your site.
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