Topic: [ANN] AMP - The Currency That Powers Your Attention On Synereo - page 420. (Read 879199 times)

Quote from: SlyWax on March 31, 2015, 12:25:42 PM

How do you control all the interactions between one person and the content ?
If you do it by the network, then it will be a privacy nightmare, all your interactions with the content could be monitored !

If not monitored, you can't enforce it's trustfulness and you are susceptible to Sybil attack, or fake behavior.

That's where the DendroNET comes in, allowing a local consensus to be created. There's no one truth source (a centralized entity), but the part of the network around you can "vouch" for claims made in it.

Thanks for your answers, I'll continue to shoot

If there is no global consensus, how do you validate the distribution of AMPs ?

The fact that I read a post is made public or not ?

The only global consensus with have is for AMPs, which are a conserved quantity. That's what we use the blockchain and the Omnilayer for.
And no, it will not be made public. Generally, there are very few things that people on the network have to know about you if you interact with them. You have a lot of control over who gets to see what.

That doesn't explain how the network decide who get the Amp for reading content !?

Your node decides based on the view of the network available to it.

If it's my node, then I can corrupt it and make it so that it give me all the Amp that pass by.

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Quote from: Elokane on March 31, 2015, 06:08:25 AM

Quote from: Elokane on March 31, 2015, 06:08:25 AM

How do you control all the interactions between one person and the content ?
If you do it by the network, then it will be a privacy nightmare, all your interactions with the content could be monitored !

If not monitored, you can't enforce it's trustfulness and you are susceptible to Sybil attack, or fake behavior.

That's where the DendroNET comes in, allowing a local consensus to be created. There's no one truth source (a centralized entity), but the part of the network around you can "vouch" for claims made in it.

Thanks for your answers, I'll continue to shoot

If there is no global consensus, how do you validate the distribution of AMPs ?

The fact that I read a post is made public or not ?

The only global consensus with have is for AMPs, which are a conserved quantity. That's what we use the blockchain and the Omnilayer for.
And no, it will not be made public. Generally, there are very few things that people on the network have to know about you if you interact with them. You have a lot of control over who gets to see what.

That doesn't explain how the network decide who get the Amp for reading content !?

Your node decides based on the view of the network available to it.

SlyWax

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Activity: 248

Merit: 251

Quote from: boomboom on March 30, 2015, 10:10:22 PM

How do you control all the interactions between one person and the content ?
If you do it by the network, then it will be a privacy nightmare, all your interactions with the content could be monitored !

If not monitored, you can't enforce it's trustfulness and you are susceptible to Sybil attack, or fake behavior.

That's where the DendroNET comes in, allowing a local consensus to be created. There's no one truth source (a centralized entity), but the part of the network around you can "vouch" for claims made in it.

Thanks for your answers, I'll continue to shoot

If there is no global consensus, how do you validate the distribution of AMPs ?

The fact that I read a post is made public or not ?

The only global consensus with have is for AMPs, which are a conserved quantity. That's what we use the blockchain and the Omnilayer for.
And no, it will not be made public. Generally, there are very few things that people on the network have to know about you if you interact with them. You have a lot of control over who gets to see what.

That doesn't explain how the network decide who get the Amp for reading content !?

Elokane

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Activity: 817

Merit: 1000

Truth is a consensus among neurons www.synereo.com

Quote from: dannygroove on March 30, 2015, 08:27:00 PM

"AMPs will be received based on the USD value of the amount contributed as provided by CoinDesk."

So if I send BTC now, will it be automatically fixed to the actual BTC/USD price to date? Or at the end of the crowdsale?

Example: I send 4 BTC now (Coindesk's price at the time of post: 247,04 USD) = 988,16 USD = 152176,64 AMP (Is that amount fixed by the system automatically? or is it subject to change due to BTC's price volatility?)

Just a suggestion: You should fix AMP's value in BTC not in USD, say 154 AMP are worth 0.004 BTC instead of fixing it in USD.

agreed, investors are being forced to speculate on btc:usd price. many investors are not day traders.

It'll be fixed to the price now, when you make the transaction.

If you're not day traders, what's keeping you from participating in the crowdsale now?
Some people are sending us other currencies as well and I assure you they don't try to wait until the USD/xxx rate is more in their favor.

Nothing guarantees the price of BTC going up and you stand to lose from waiting just as much.

We can't rely on BTC only for payment, unfortunately - most of the services we'll pay for will require USD. We are doing this to avoid the situation that has plagued other projects like MaidSafe and Ethereum who have suffered a lot from the decrease in BTC price. If we are to do this right, we have to know exactly the resources at our disposal and plan accordingly.

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Quote from: SlyWax on March 30, 2015, 07:59:31 PM

Quote from: Elokane on March 30, 2015, 06:43:34 PM

Quote from: SlyWax on March 30, 2015, 12:50:32 AM

Can I reply to a post in Synereo without Amplifiying it ?
ie : I don't like the post, I say it with a comment, but don't want it to grow stronger with my interaction.

Excellent question! Our attention model is designed such that if you dislike something, you have to make a choice whether to simply leave it be and not contribute to that message's proliferation or actively engage and discuss your dislike about it, also drawing more attention to it. It is therefore encouraged to let things go unless you think commenting can improve on the situation somehow.

So the more polemic content will get promoted.
People will make harassing or shocking content on purpose.
And it will be passed to your friend even tho you are trying to combat it...
There should be a way to post a non amplifiying comment !
How could you report or debunk a hoax or fake without propagating it !

There will be reporting mechanisms that operate outside of the logic of the attention model so that harmful content could be dealt with.
There are people on social networks who already post shocking content - or any other content - just so that they can get attention. You don't have to be connected to them.

We're also considering implementing a mechanism that allows people to mark something as fake. If there's a consensus in your local community that something is fake, it'll be marked as so. You could also then filter it out completely if you wish.

Quote from: dannygroove on March 30, 2015, 08:27:00 PM

How do you control all the interactions between one person and the content ?
If you do it by the network, then it will be a privacy nightmare, all your interactions with the content could be monitored !

If not monitored, you can't enforce it's trustfulness and you are susceptible to Sybil attack, or fake behavior.

That's where the DendroNET comes in, allowing a local consensus to be created. There's no one truth source (a centralized entity), but the part of the network around you can "vouch" for claims made in it.

Thanks for your answers, I'll continue to shoot

If there is no global consensus, how do you validate the distribution of AMPs ?

The fact that I read a post is made public or not ?

The only global consensus with have is for AMPs, which are a conserved quantity. That's what we use the blockchain and the Omnilayer for.
And no, it will not be made public. Generally, there are very few things that people on the network have to know about you if you interact with them. You have a lot of control over who gets to see what.

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"AMPs will be received based on the USD value of the amount contributed as provided by CoinDesk."

So if I send BTC now, will it be automatically fixed to the actual BTC/USD price to date? Or at the end of the crowdsale?

Example: I send 4 BTC now (Coindesk's price at the time of post: 247,04 USD) = 988,16 USD = 152176,64 AMP (Is that amount fixed by the system automatically? or is it subject to change due to BTC's price volatility?)

Just a suggestion: You should fix AMP's value in BTC not in USD, say 154 AMP are worth 0.004 BTC instead of fixing it in USD.

agreed, investors are being forced to speculate on btc:usd price. many investors are not day traders.

dannygroove

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"AMPs will be received based on the USD value of the amount contributed as provided by CoinDesk."

So if I send BTC now, will it be automatically fixed to the actual BTC/USD price to date? Or at the end of the crowdsale?

Example: I send 4 BTC now (Coindesk's price at the time of post: 247,04 USD) = 988,16 USD = 152176,64 AMP (Is that amount fixed by the system automatically? or is it subject to change due to BTC's price volatility?)

Just a suggestion: You should fix AMP's value in BTC not in USD, say 154 AMP are worth 0.004 BTC instead of fixing it in USD.

SlyWax

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Activity: 248

Merit: 251

Quote from: Elokane on March 30, 2015, 06:43:34 PM

How do you control all the interactions between one person and the content ?
If you do it by the network, then it will be a privacy nightmare, all your interactions with the content could be monitored !

If not monitored, you can't enforce it's trustfulness and you are susceptible to Sybil attack, or fake behavior.

That's where the DendroNET comes in, allowing a local consensus to be created. There's no one truth source (a centralized entity), but the part of the network around you can "vouch" for claims made in it.

Thanks for your answers, I'll continue to shoot

If there is no global consensus, how do you validate the distribution of AMPs ?

The fact that I read a post is made public or not ?

SlyWax

sr. member

Activity: 248

Merit: 251

Quote from: SlyWax on March 30, 2015, 12:50:32 AM

Can I reply to a post in Synereo without Amplifiying it ?
ie : I don't like the post, I say it with a comment, but don't want it to grow stronger with my interaction.

Excellent question! Our attention model is designed such that if you dislike something, you have to make a choice whether to simply leave it be and not contribute to that message's proliferation or actively engage and discuss your dislike about it, also drawing more attention to it. It is therefore encouraged to let things go unless you think commenting can improve on the situation somehow.

So the more polemic content will get promoted.
People will make harassing or shocking content on purpose.
And it will be passed to your friend even tho you are trying to combat it...
There should be a way to post a non amplifiying comment !
How could you report or debunk a hoax or fake without propagating it !

TrackCoin

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On This AMP wall shown what's power have in the currency....

Elokane

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