Topic: [ANN] Anonymous Crypto Debit Card | KYC-FREE (Read 549 times)

The other week I was scammed out of $350 by a guy on Discord claiming to sell invites for valuable torrent websites (site name omitted so I don't get lynched by their staff, even though they don't know me at all) People have him have a very peculiar writing style, I figured out.

First of course, they try to gain your trust, using promises and fake features, but they won't let you try the product for free, by any account.
Once they have your money, they will use the same techniques I mentioned above to try to hit you some more.

My point being, OP doesn't exhibit any of this. He even contacted me about my review offer (a follow up to that will be posted soon).

I know we like to look for hi-tech scammers in the Services board but the reality is, most of the scum is on the "Goods" marketplace section which is where most people on this site cut their teeth on.

Omg. Cannot believe I just god a feedback from dkbit98 that I'm your alt. Iam dead fr . With a reference to your profile instead of a real reference.
Like nobody can register an account and join the discussion.

I'd only say "Today I feel gay"  
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Sorry bro, Didn't expect that to happen.

Thanks I guess, but oh boy they will attack you and me now because you are brand new. I guess I can understand that a little.

I'm an old anonymous follower of BTT and It's crazy what is going on.

As a someone who is interested in such a service as OP's, I found this discussion really boring.

I don't mean such discussions are unimportant, I like how everyone in BTT put time and effort to warn users about some points in certain services, but here, They are put in a useless point, instead of discussing main topics related to this service; not how it deals with such a rare case like this. Like yall scared it'd steal users funds by saying its stolen funds.^{Like there is no other million ways for doing that but only this, if they are really scam as you call}. Here I'm just showing my point of view, I've not tried OP's service yet neither I'm saying its legit. I just wanted to criticize your way of discussion.

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I did fuckin said IM AN OLD ANONYMOUS FOLLOWER. I just joined to comment on this. Thats all. Lol

Guys, we are not going to respond anymore to this specific question. We answered enough how we deal with stolen coins. They are send back to the user. End of the story, nothing special nothing magical.

Our service is not based around stolen coins, we don’t accept them.
We always will and have accepted coins coming from gambling or mixers that was never an issue.

NOWHERE in your T&C do you say you will give peoples money back if you modify or terminate.
All it says it you can modify or terminate the service.

Look at it from the customers side. You are asking people to send you funds, when you have in your rules that you can change the rules of what you do and how you handle them at any time with no notice.

THAT IMO is going to scare people off.

-Dave

@CoinPayCard.net
You have your self to blame for not answering the questions clearly. I think they were pretty clear. You mentioned that the deposits are sent to you first. After a check, you send them to your 3rd parties. You are planning to introduce bitcoin shortly. In that case, you need to know that some chain analysis companies and exchanges have given themselves the right to decide which coins are clean and which ones are dirty and tainted. The funny things is: even if they deem a particular UTXO as clean, a different centralized exchange uses different rules and 3rd-party partners that can tag those clean coins as dirty or consider them dirty because they came from a gambling platform or a mixer. This is ridiculous and proof they have no idea what they are doing.

So who decides what coins and wallets I can use and which ones I can't?
If I try to deposit a BTC UTXO (in the future when it's supported) that you or your partners consider unwelcome, you will just sent them back to me no questions asked? By your own words, those coins are still with you. Therefore, 3rd-party services shouldn't have access to them unless you give them my coins. The way I understood your previous post, is that you will send the money back. So will you do that for coins that are allegedly stolen, hacked, used for gambling, or come from mixers? Is it clearly explained in the TOS that if you deem our coins to be dirty we will get them back?

I guess you don't have an answer to simple questions. which, again, is shady. My bank doesn't use anonymous card issuers, and my bank doesn't give inconsistent answers.

So which one is it: is it a public list, or do you use "third parties"? Which third parties? Or let me guess: they're anonymous too? Do they share the same list, or do they all have different lists?

Which law? In which country?
I know, you're not going to answer any of those questions. The reader can draw their own conclusion from that.

I'll use this post to add leave neutral feedback. Neutral, because that's how the Trust system should be used. It's not because I trust you. For further reading, see here.

You keep asking the same question, I can give you the same answer only so many times. It's not hard to google blacklisted wallets. I don't have a list on demand, as we are connected with 3rd parties that provide these lists and updated them according to law.

So you have nothing. Noted.

There is something called google

Where can I find this public list?

So to be clear, a blacklisted wallet is a wallet that is 99% involved in, for example, a hack. These wallets are then blacklisted, meaning exchanges and business will reject payments from those addresses. Blacklisted wallet can be found on public lists, provided to the crypto community by law enforcement worldwide. It's impossible for 99.99% of the crypto users to have a blacklisted wallet. Coins can be tracked, but after they are getting mingled and distributed to legit users, it's impossible to track them. So again we deny these transactions and the coins are sent back to the wallet they come from.

At last, I will say it again. Coins itself cannot be blacklisted. It's the wallet they are in that are blacklisted. I think it's time to close this topic. I have given enough answer regarding this topic.


How should we know if wallets are linked to theft if they are not blacklisted? Blacklisting is just a public list of wallets involved in hacks and theft. I think the other users has a complete other thought behind blacklisting a wallet, and doesn't know what it exactly means.

I think that it's simply a small difference between the ways you two see the things. You can block an address from sending you money (black list it). But I think that what was meant in that question was that if certain input(s) are declared to be stolen (doesn't matter how) and you have received those coins (or parts of that), and you will not handle them because they're stolen... what will you do next, seize them (under whatever reasons) or return them to the originating address, or maybe something else?
As an addition, I guess that the question is about money directly linked to a theft, not money washed through 1000s of addresses in many years after a theft.

The only place on earth where you can use a blacklisted wallet is on a mixer or on a tor marketplace. So your question is weird. You're questioning this topic like somebody could magically have a blacklisted wallet without knowing. That is simply not true and impossible.

It's important to understand how crypto works, coins itself cannot be blacklisted. It's the wallet that are blacklisted. And as I said, these transactions are 99.99% auto rejected.

I asked you a very simple question, so I would like to see a simple answer please, and evaluate risk of using your service.
For the record, people don't always know if someone blacklisted their coins because they usually don't dig deep in history of all transactions.
It wouldn't be hard for any legitimate business to simply answer this question, so I will repeat again, in case you received coins that are blacklisted by someone for any reason, are you going to return this coins to original sender or do something else?

So, if you have a blacklisted wallet, you would know it. Because 99% of the times a wallet is blacklisted when they are involved for example in a hack. So we don't expect anyone using our service with a blacklisted wallet. These transactions are 99.99% auto rejected.

At this time, we don't have plans for physical cards, unfortunately. These cards come with more rules and regulations, and are a logistics nightmare at the moment.

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You misread the entire conversation.

That's cute. Millions of Bitcoins have been stolen over the years, and most of them found a new owner by now who had nothing to do with the theft. That's why money is fungible. You can't blame someone for what someone else did with that money in the past. Using USDT instead of Bitcoin only makes it worse, as it's a centrally controlled centralized token. Nobody blames someone who spends a dollar bill that was stolen before, why would you act different when it comes to digital currencies?

I've seen this before. It sounds shady.

Ok, let's see what happens in next weeks and months.
I am always a bit suspicious whenever new crypto related service appears, maybe because I saw so many scams that I can't count them all.
You will have to prove that you are legit, and I would like to hear experience from other people who used your cards.
I will consider contacting you for testing when you add Bitcoin.

I understand, and in case received coins are blacklisted by someone, are you going to return coins to sender or do something else?
It would be better to make this checks BEFORE sending transaction.

PS
Is there any chance for releasing coinpaycard physical cards and shiopping worldwide?

Hit me up (private message). I've reviewed cards for Ezzocard and AlexPCS in the past.