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Topic: [ANN] [banned mixer] - Bitcoin Mixer | BTC Tumbler | Anonymous | NO LOGS | NO JS - page 2. (Read 786 times)

hero member
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The term JavaScript appears 4 times in this Bitcointalk thread and 5 times on the web. Java just one. Thanks to your understanding of technology for correcting this typo.
If it's a typo, why do you continue calling TLS (which you are indeed using), SSL? To me, it still seems you are mixing terms up, but I agree that this is a subjective opinion and I cannot prove it as a fact. It's just the most likely explanation for me.

Not a good look; breaking big promises so quickly. How fast will you break your other promises, then? What if you need to suddenly activate JavaScript 'for technical reasons'? Or if you 'technically' need to start storing logs?

I have not broken any promise, you have omitted my last post:

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I am working on the web to improve the service and some parts will be unstable some days. Don't worry, it will be online again soon. Be patient please. Thanks.
Are 'unstable' and 'starting to utilize Cloudflare' the same thing to you? For me, this qualifies as breaking promises. Websites don't automatically fall back to Cloudflare when they get unstable, if it has not been actively installed and configured by the operator.
You could just as well take the whole webpage offline, fix your bugs and bring it back, all without setting up Cloudflare, which you yourself state is a privacy issue.

and you have preferred to test the web when it was not operational and was undergoing maintenance. There is no JavaScript or logs on the web.
Why is it not offline if it's not operational?

The latest version of SSL is deprecated for 8 years now.[/url] I really hope you are using at least TLS v1.2 in 2023. Also, this encryption goes out of the window if you use Cloudflare. Again raises questions about the level of understanding and / or attention to detail of the service operator.

Once again I don't know where you get that data from, do a certificate test before speaking.
Just quoting your own words:
SSL Encryption - No unencrypted traffic.

So this somewhat confirms my assumption that you're not typo'ing but using some terms interchangeably when they're in fact not really interchangeable. But this is all relatively unimportant to me; the important bit is the fungibility / 'UTXO scoring' issue.

Your list is opaque. If you are going to include me in your Blacklist Whitelist for Scoring, you should include more mixers (much older) from this forum. But Why aren't they on your list if you already know them?
It's not complete, that is true. I warmly welcome you to add more taint proclaiming services as a reply in that thread, so I can add them to OP.

I guess all you wanted is a link to your thread to give you visibility.
With all due respect, I am a humble poster. I think my threads already get lots of visibility; much more than I could ever have hoped for, and I am very grateful that other people get value out of what I post.

And I recommend you include in your opaque and unreliable list all the mixers that use scoring for more than 6 years. Until you do, your whitelist is worthless.
It is unreasonable to ask someone to maintain a complete list of such services; hence why I cannot feasibly make a whitelist (of fungibility promoters), but have to create a blacklist instead, that displays who actively pushes for BTC taint and against fungibility.

As it is a blacklist, I do find it useful as a first indicator for users who want to quickly check whether a service that they're considering using, has already been 'community-flagged' as a taint promoter. It does not guarantee that any website not on the list is 'safe', though, as stated in OP:
This is merely a blacklist, not a whitelist; exchanges not on this list aren't guaranteed to be 'safe and reliable'.

Like I wrote before, please feel free to add more services who openly state that they 'filter' or 'score' UTXOs based on blockchain analysis. This would benefit everyone.
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It is nice knowing you are working and trying to fix up things properly to avert unforseen circumstances which are not a good thing. Atleast this shows how serious you are in delivering Services to your clients. Working on improvement is better than ignoring improvement just to cover up mistakes.
I'm glad you're back online and hope you also took some  time to get some things mentioned by the members above fixed as I think all suggestions was for the growth of your work.

Hello, thanks you guys for your support, it is true that we have been online for a month and that some problems have arisen that have been solved and I am still working to try to improve this service.
I understand  that it haven't been easy but it isn't really nice that you guys are starting up with alot of issues and I think you should keep the thread active and also take your time to put yourself and when you're back, it will be best that you get some users to help test what you have to offer through testnets.

Welcome and you should also know that  criticism is onething you must receive especially  when  introducing something new and has to do with money, don't feel bad and I see you're doing well with answering the questions and I already see some new changes and it seems you guys also took out time to attend to almost all the complains listed and I love the improvements.
Kudos.
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Are you aware of the fact that Java is not an abbreviation for JavaScript? You seem to use the terms interchangeably. May make users mistrust your understanding of technology.

The term JavaScript appears 4 times in this Bitcointalk thread and 5 times on the web. Java just one. Thanks to your understanding of technology for correcting this typo.

Not a good look; breaking big promises so quickly. How fast will you break your other promises, then? What if you need to suddenly activate JavaScript 'for technical reasons'? Or if you 'technically' need to start storing logs?

I have not broken any promise, you have omitted my last post:

The latest version of SSL is deprecated for 8 years now.[/url] I really hope you are using at least TLS v1.2 in 2023. Also, this encryption goes out of the window if you use Cloudflare. Again raises questions about the level of understanding and / or attention to detail of the service operator.

Once again I don't know where you get that data from, do a certificate test before speaking.

SSL Report: www.[banned mixer]
Protocols
TLS 1.3   Yes
TLS 1.2   Yes



Lastly, since you are a taint proclaiming service, I had to add you to my Blacklist

First, it is a blacklist in your opinion, for other people it would be a whitelist so thanks for including me.

Your list is opaque. If you are going to include me in your Blacklist Whitelist for Scoring, you should include more mixers (much older) from this forum. But Why aren't they on your list if you already know them?  I guess all you wanted is a link to your thread to give you visibility. And I recommend you include in your opaque and unreliable list all the mixers that uses scoring. Until you do, your whitelist is worthless.

Next time, Please wait until a website is not under maintenance to analyze it, so as not to confuse users as you say.



This is a first one for me, honestly. Are you trying to imply that users from the US or any country in the EU are not allowed to use your platform?
No, but US and EU users should be aware of the laws of their countries, this text is just a reminder of how the panorama is.  Even so, you are right and I still have to modify it a bit, give me time.

Are we going to see a Bitcoin Mixer performing KYC in the future to ascertain if a person is not from the US or EU?  Cheesy
Sure we are going to see things like that and more, but not here Smiley

Are you going to block such transactions on grounds that they originate from a gambling site?

No, your transactions will not be blocked.



It is nice knowing you are working and trying to fix up things properly to avert unforseen circumstances which are not a good thing. Atleast this shows how serious you are in delivering Services to your clients. Working on improvement is better than ignoring improvement just to cover up mistakes.
I'm glad you're back online and hope you also took some  time to get some things mentioned by the members above fixed as I think all suggestions was for the growth of your work.

Hello, thanks you guys for your support, it is true that we have been online for a month and that some problems have arisen that have been solved and I am still working to try to improve this service.

hero member
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not your keys, not your coins!
NO JAVA - Thormixer works without JavaScript. No JavaScript = No Problems.
Are you aware of the fact that Java is not an abbreviation for JavaScript? You seem to use the terms interchangeably. May make users mistrust your understanding of technology.

NO Cloudflare - We not using Cloudflare or any other cloud-based solutions. *Temporarily activated for technical reasons since July 2023.
Not a good look; breaking big promises so quickly. How fast will you break your other promises, then? What if you need to suddenly activate JavaScript 'for technical reasons'? Or if you 'technically' need to start storing logs?


SSL Encryption - No unencrypted traffic.
The latest version of SSL is deprecated for 8 years now. I really hope you are using at least TLS v1.2 in 2023. Also, this encryption goes out of the window if you use Cloudflare. Again raises questions about the level of understanding and / or attention to detail of the service operator.

Lastly, since you are a taint proclaiming service, I had to add you to my [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges. The reasons why, are posted in that thread.
sr. member
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You're down again, both versions - with clearnet showing the error "SSL handshake failed". Maybe you should first find reliable hosting + properly configure everything necessary and only then try to deal with this kind of business Wink

Hello, I know. Unforeseen events are normal when you start something. I am working on the web to improve the service and some parts will be unstable some days. Don't worry, it will be online again soon. Be patient please. Thanks.

It is nice knowing you are working and trying to fix up things properly to avert unforseen circumstances which are not a good thing. Atleast this shows how serious you are in delivering Services to your clients.
Working on improvement is better than ignoring improvement just to cover up mistakes.
copper member
Activity: 12
Merit: 10
You're down again, both versions - with clearnet showing the error "SSL handshake failed". Maybe you should first find reliable hosting + properly configure everything necessary and only then try to deal with this kind of business Wink

Hello, I know. Unforeseen events are normal when you start something. I am working on the web to improve the service and some parts will be unstable some days. Don't worry, it will be online again soon. Be patient please. Thanks.
legendary
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No problem, it's online.

You're down again, both versions - with clearnet showing the error "SSL handshake failed". Maybe you should first find reliable hosting + properly configure everything necessary and only then try to deal with this kind of business Wink
sr. member
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No problem, it's online.
I'm glad you're back online and hope you also took some  time to get some things mentioned by the members above fixed as I think all suggestions was for the growth of your work.
Cheers.
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hero member
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It looks like the site is now offline, both the clearnet and Tor Mirror. Someone please confirm, who knows? It could just be me.
OP had also been online a couple of days back but no update from him whatsoever regarding the status of the service or past issues raised

I confirm that, I was trying to try this service and I was not able to acess to server IP, perhaps they tried to modify some pages or stopped providing the service completely.
Good thing this service has been discontinued, the concept of clean and dark coins makes some bitcoin more valuable which is something that should not happen in any currency, mixing service is supposed to promote these concepts not never allow coins with a dark history.

I expect that the provider of this service links his mixer to several CEXs accounts using APIs and it has been banned, it is closer to what BetterCallRaul.it Domain Scam confirmed was did
legendary
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It looks like the site is now offline, both the clearnet and Tor Mirror. Someone please confirm, who knows? It could just be me.

I confirm that the site is offline (both versions). Maybe OP decided to fix some things, and maybe he realized that the mixer isn't something that just can work like that. Luckily, the choice of mixers is more than good, one more or less does not mean too much.
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฿itcoin for all, All for ฿itcoin.
It looks like the site is now offline, both the clearnet and Tor Mirror. Someone please confirm, who knows? It could just be me.
OP had also been online a couple of days back but no update from him whatsoever regarding the status of the service or past issues raised
legendary
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Edited on request as it was temporary.


It would be nice if you have an official bitcoin address too on the website. It's easier to verify a bitcoin address instead of a PGP key. Not everyone wants to go trough the long hassle of verifying PGP key.
legendary
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Seriously, I even don't know to pick and leave out. This is way too strict for a mixer.
This is what you get when a website copies their Terms from other sites. Nothing new, I've seen it before.
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Thanks for your timely response

While reading through the disclaimer, which are also your terms of service. I have some questions. Let me first quote part of the disclaimer.

Quote from: https://www.[banned mixer
/disclaimer]2. Prohibition of use
By using the service you also agree that you are:


NOT an individual who is a resident of the United States of America, its territories or possessions, any state of the United States of America (the "USA")
NOT an individual who is a resident of any country of European Union (the "EU")
NOT a partnership, corporation or another juridical person formed under the laws of the USA or EU
NOT a branch, an agency or office located in the USA or EU of a partnership, corporation or another juridical person formed under laws other than those of the USA or EU
NOT a trust of which any trustee is described in previous items
NOT a fiduciary or an agent acting on behalf or for the benefit of an individual or entity described in previous items

You agree, that your decision to use our service was:
This is a first one for me, honestly. Are you trying to imply that users from the US or any country in the EU are not allowed to use your platform?

Are we going to see a Bitcoin Mixer performing KYC in the future to ascertain if a person is not from the US or EU?  Cheesy


Quote from: https://www.[banned mixer
/disclaimer]
User may never use [banned mixer] if his activity related to:


Activity which would violate, or cause a violation of, economic or financial sanctions, trade embargoes, and restrictions imposed, administered or enforced from time to time by governmental authorities, including, without limitation, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Department of Commerce, and any other governmental authorities with jurisdiction over you (collectively, “Sanctions”); and activity which would violate, or assist in violation of, laws, statutes, ordinances, or regulations regarding the publishing, distribution or dissemination of any unlawful material or information.
Drugs, and tools specifically intended for the production of drugs, Drug paraphernalia Illegal Drugs, substances designed to mimic illegal drugs, and/or other psycho active products (e.g.,K2, salvia divinorum, nitrate inhalers, bath salts, synthetic cannabis, herbal smoking blends, herbal incense, and HCG/HGH-like substances)
Products/services specifically offered or intended to be used to create drugs or grow ingredients for drugs (e.g. ‘grow shop’ products, seeds for cannabis plants, etc.)
Gambling: Lotteries; bidding fee auctions; sports forecasting or odds making; fantasy sports leagues with cash prizes; internet gaming; contests; sweepstakes; games of chance.
Escort agencies / massage parlors / sexual services
Timeshare and timeshare maintenance
Independent financial advisers (IFA), Payday loans and unsecure loan/lines originating from non FDIC insured banks
Counterfeit goods/replicas or those infringing on intellectual property rights, including those designed to infringe on such intellectual property (i.e., knock-offs, imitations, bootlegs)
Trade of weapons, ammunitions, military arms, explosive devices and firearm parts
Products/services that promote hate, violence, discrimination, terrorism, harassment or abuse
Products designed to circumvent copyright protection techniques or to otherwise facilitate the unlicensed use of copyrighted materials (e.g. ‘mod-chips’ to break the encryption of game computers to enable the playing of unlicensed copies of games)
Illegal products/services or any service providing peripheral support of illegal activities.
Any adult entertainment, websites & content
Fake references and other services/products that foster deception (including fake IDs and government documents)
Mail order spouse and international match-making services
Social media “click farms” (i.e., the sale of clicks/likes/reviews/endorsements on social media sites)
Intellectual Property Infringement: Engage in transactions involving items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the law, including but not limited to sales, distribution, or access to counterfeit music, movies, software, or other licensed materials without the appropriate authorization from the rights holder
Government tax avoidance
Jammers or devices that are designed to block, jam or interfere with cellular and personal communication devise/signals (e.g., GPS), Decryption and descrambler products including mod chips, Spy devices / services / software.
Seriously, I even don't know to pick and leave out. This is way too strict for a mixer. For example, what if a received payment made directly from a gambling company for a service I offered them. Are you going to block such transactions on grounds that they originate from a gambling site?
legendary
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The platform runs a scoring procedure for each incoming coin so to check its reliability and purchase it for its reserves. The service liaises with crypto stock exchanges and controls the money inflow around the clock – if the algorithm detects a shortfall it blasts notification messages to investors and quickly tops up the reserves. Coins with dark history are never let in.
A mixer that promotes the taint BS and tells you Bitcoin isn't fungible? That's a first the second after Wasabi!

Allow me to quote myself on the subject of "taint":
I've seen several posts lately from people willing to treat Bitcoin as non-fungible because they believe some coins are "tainted".
I'd say this is a severe threat to Bitcoin, and I wouldn't be surprised if governments use this because they can't stop Bitcoin in any other way. If people believe Bitcoin is "tainted", they won't accept it anymore. "We" should really inform people not to fall for this.
Nobody would reject a dollar bill because it has previously been used in a crime, despite the fact that 85 to 90% contains traces of cocaine. Claiming Bitcoin isn't fungible is just plain stupid.
legendary
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Did I understand correctly, the fee for your service is 4% + 0.0007 BTC?

Coins with dark history are never let in.

What happens to coins with a dark history that does not pass your test?
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1. I'm just exploring your site and don't find a button which I can switch to a dark theme, because your site looks shiny in my eye.
2. are you affiliated with nordvpn?, because I find it on the download VPN link on your home page.
3. On 24x7 Support link, better to put direct link to your Profil Message, or Ann Thread to make it faster if have a problem.
4. I don't know for you guys, but for me, 0.003 minimum is large enough, I usually use 0.001 for minimum.
5. is there no trial for free-fee mixing?
Hello blue Snow... answering your questions:

1 - Dark theme is on the way. For now enjoy the light.
2 - We recommend Nord because it is outside of the Five-, Nine-, 14 Eyes alliances. but use what you want.
3 - Good idea, thanks for the appreciation. You can also send an email.
4 - Yes, the minimum is 0.003 BTC. May change in the future.
5 - No trial at the moment, It may be implemented.

Now looks like this: Support 24x7: support@[banned mixer], [email protected], Profil Message or Ann Thread

Cheers.
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PS: If you need marketing assistance then I can help you.
Hi Royse777 and thanks for the offer, talk to you soon.

You don't use Cloudflare or any other cloud-based solutions which I must say I commend you for
Thanks for being here Bitcoin_Arena. Fortunately we don't trust Cloudflare, or any other cloud-based solutions. Find out why

How do you plan on mitigating future DDoS attacks?
With DDoS Protection.

What does background check for incoming coins mean exactly? Are you going to reject coins from some sources and return them to sender or not? Trusting private investors and worldwide centralized exchanges is not good, and based on your website you are doing that and working with them.  I don't believe in complete anonymity with Bitcoin, and I wouldn't pay extra high fees using new websites that promises to provide service like this.After performing some testing I could say more, but I don't see anything special that stands out from all other Bitcoin mixers available now.
Hi dkbit98. The platform runs a scoring procedure for each incoming coin so to check its reliability and purchase it for its reserves. The service liaises with crypto stock exchanges and controls the money inflow around the clock – if the algorithm detects a shortfall it blasts notification messages to investors and quickly tops up the reserves. Coins with dark history are never let in. Money that has passed the scoring goes to transit (intermediary) wallets (there is a dedicated wallet for each investor) and is used to make clients’ transactions untraceable. The algorithm carries out multi-layered cleansing that achieves a clean track record for your coins. Aforementioned investors are independent traders with accounts at crypto stock exchanges who sell their output transactions to us.
legendary
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Welcome to the forum,

1. I'm just exploring your site and don't find a button which I can switch to a dark theme, because your site looks shiny in my eye.
2. are you affiliated with nordvpn?, because I find it on the download VPN link on your home page.
3. On 24x7 Support link, better to put direct link to your Profil Message, or Ann Thread to make it faster if have a problem.
4. I don't know for you guys, but for me, 0.003 minimum is large enough, I usually use 0.001 for minimum.
5. is there no trial for free-fee mixing?
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