Royse777 now using API to track wallet which is much better for future smooth work.
That could be a better improvement, then every mistakes should serve a lesson and a stepping stone to learn new things. Especially for an incident like this its too expensive covering your own funds. 
Topic: BetterCallRaul.it Domain Scam confirmed (Read 816 times)
Escrow should be the first thing when it comes to financial related activity in the forum, either a contest, giveaway and campaigns. There are many incidents happened the same as this yet unfortunately we again witness such an event where the manager suffers and covers all the losses.
The fact is that some person trust other before scammed and a person considers others as he is himself. Royse himself is trusted managers and he even not think single time that the team will do this shame work. I agree with you that escrow should be must before running any compaign. in case if signature the escrow address should have atleast two weeks fund and before ine week team should be asked for fund and should pause compaign if escrow address not funded on time. Royse777 now using API to track wallet which is much better for future smooth work.
Payment up front is something we (Cro 2) insist on when running any sort of campaign or competition on forum. We don't work with companies that aren't serius and feel like few months worth of escrowed funds are necessary to show commitment and atrract good members.
Better to always go for an upfront payment incase of uncertainties like this should occur, they may even be the ones loosing instead of putting their campaign participants on a dashed hope on nothing, but there's a level of how one could have built a rapport with these same employers/organizations without them paying up front and then you trust their reputation and representative as well, but in this case, it's risky to take and those managers that engage doing such already have their own personal money as backup in case of uncertainties.This should be done first by the managers so that they can avoid to ruin their reputation since case like this will continue to exist and its so hard to repeat the same action where they need to pay their participants coming out on their own pocket. But Royse is for sure well prepared on this kind of situation and we see how he give an assurance that his participants will get compensated.
Good gesture made by other participants that they are showing sympathy to their manager and say that they don't need to get paid since incident already happened, this could lessen the financial damage gotten by the manager.
Payment up front is something we (Cro 2) insist on when running any sort of campaign or competition on forum. We don't work with companies that aren't serius and feel like few months worth of escrowed funds are necessary to show commitment and atrract good members.
Better to always go for an upfront payment incase of uncertainties like this should occur, they may even be the ones loosing instead of putting their campaign participants on a dashed hope on nothing, but there's a level of how one could have built a rapport with these same employers/organizations without them paying up front and then you trust their reputation and representative as well, but in this case, it's risky to take and those managers that engage doing such already have their own personal money as backup in case of uncertainties.
Payment up front is something we (Cro 2) insist on when running any sort of campaign or competition on forum. We don't work with companies that aren't serius and feel like few months worth of escrowed funds are necessary to show commitment and atrract good members.
Better to always go for an upfront payment incase of uncertainties like this should occur, they may even be the ones loosing instead of putting their campaign participants on a dashed hope on nothing, but there's a level of how one could have built a rapport with these same employers/organizations without them paying up front and then you trust their reputation and representative as well, but in this case, it's risky to take and those managers that engage doing such already have their own personal money as backup in case of uncertainties.
Anyway realy unfortunate situation but sort of expected, a lot of mixers rushed to fill CM void and while some are trying to make money trough quality of their service it was inevitable that some would simply scam their way to profits.
You're right, after the incident with the CM, there's a notice on sudden boom on how these mixers were appearing and operating, yet i want to believe most of them have been this good intentions to make a good reputation in quality service delivery for their users.
Also looks like the person behind the project is doxxed completely:
I can't believe that he is that stupid.He probably purchased some fake identity and registered with that on yahoo finance.
Is there any number found available how much he scammed from the token sale?
Someone who used their real id will be too brave to fake the authority before anything else. He must be reported to Europol.
After @Bitcoin_Arena said they were a ripoff of eXch's site. I went to exch to find the following
People should also be very careful and not blindly trusting websites like kycnot.me, but checking their changelog is a good idea.Apparently Bettercallraul was also listed there and few days ago they got delisted.
Maybe they got inspiration for eXch plagiarism on that website.
Also looks like the person behind the project is doxxed completely:
I can't believe that he is that stupid.He probably purchased some fake identity and registered with that on yahoo finance.
Flag supported, sorry to see this type of behavior.
As Trofo said - escrowed funds in advance are a good protection against these things.
We hope it will become a standard for sig campaigns - it's in nobody's interest to see campaign managers in such situations.
As Trofo said - escrowed funds in advance are a good protection against these things.
We hope it will become a standard for sig campaigns - it's in nobody's interest to see campaign managers in such situations.
After @Bitcoin_Arena said they were a ripoff of eXch's site. I went to exch to find the following:
1. eXch's profile in Bits.media (you can find it in their contact page) here we can see that Bettercallraul is the latest visitor of that profile:
2. After checking eXch's site further, I realized that the "reserves" looked kind of the same (depending on the period) as to what Bettercallraul was showing in their site (the maximum amount that can go through their ASM). See @LoyceV post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61984378
3. I reached out to eXch and they confirmed that Bettercallraul was indeed using their API so maybe...:
- Bettercallraul didn't hold any funds to start with, and they were processing transactions through eXch.
The API allows you to use a referrer ID so it's possible they were generating their revenue from the affiliate program: https://exch.cx/affiliation
Now for the dumped tokens, I found this on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/SkyWalker64007/status/1661582293553631234
https://twitter.com/GamblingWhale/status/1661092609849212955
Also looks like the person behind the project is doxxed completely:
https://twitter.com/SkyWalker64007/status/1660735328330854400
But why would someone dump the tokens then send everything to someone else (not sure what its connection with the project is) and a dead wallet
1. eXch's profile in Bits.media (you can find it in their contact page) here we can see that Bettercallraul is the latest visitor of that profile:
2. After checking eXch's site further, I realized that the "reserves" looked kind of the same (depending on the period) as to what Bettercallraul was showing in their site (the maximum amount that can go through their ASM). See @LoyceV post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61984378
3. I reached out to eXch and they confirmed that Bettercallraul was indeed using their API so maybe...:
- Bettercallraul didn't hold any funds to start with, and they were processing transactions through eXch.
The API allows you to use a referrer ID so it's possible they were generating their revenue from the affiliate program: https://exch.cx/affiliation
Now for the dumped tokens, I found this on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/SkyWalker64007/status/1661582293553631234
https://twitter.com/GamblingWhale/status/1661092609849212955
Also looks like the person behind the project is doxxed completely:
https://twitter.com/SkyWalker64007/status/1660735328330854400
But why would someone dump the tokens then send everything to someone else (not sure what its connection with the project is) and a dead wallet
Can you add more information that might lead to their identification? They don't seem to be professionals
Unlikely. Look at their profile: Location: TOR. You don't create a Monero exchange to be tracked. 
Flag supported. It’s just that they already spend a lot on their marketing but still commit a rug pull instead of maintaining the brand.
The way I understand Royse objective now on running the campaign. He wants to limit the information about the bounty to the participants only that’s why escrow address and spreadsheet are hidden on some of his campaign. Using this API will make it visible to all participants. Besides escrow address can be view on block explorer.
This API is very good tool for all the campaigns that disclosed the escrow address of the campaign to the public.
I think Royse or other signature manager should do this API on every signature thread so the user can be aware too if advertiser has topped up the balance
The way I understand Royse objective now on running the campaign. He wants to limit the information about the bounty to the participants only that’s why escrow address and spreadsheet are hidden on some of his campaign. Using this API will make it visible to all participants. Besides escrow address can be view on block explorer.
This API is very good tool for all the campaigns that disclosed the escrow address of the campaign to the public.
Can you add more information that might lead to their identification? They don't seem to be professionals, and with a little tracking, we will find that their deposits have ended up on a KYC centralized platform.
Does anyone know the exact date the site was taken down, it may have occurred some time before OmegaStarScream's response
They probably used some centralized exchanges, but if I remember correctly they had other privacy coins on their website, so it's not that hard to mask transaction paths.Does anyone know the exact date the site was taken down, it may have occurred some time before OmegaStarScream's response
Payment up front is something we (Cro 2) insist on when running any sort of campaign or competition on forum. We don't work with companies that aren't serius and feel like few months worth of escrowed funds are necessary to show commitment and atrract good members.
I don't know how other campaign managers are doing their work, but if I was working as one I would be very strict and ask for that extra bit of security.Then again, I would probably be a bad manager and mess something else in the process, because I suspect that anything can be a scam until proven differently
It's confirmed BetterCallRaul.it rug pulled and scammed us 0.05836495 BTC which they were supposed to spend in their signature campaign. I was considering, it's just a normal delay from them being busy
Flag supported.I think it's better to ask for payments in advance whenever you are working with some new crypto company, that way you will save yourself a lot of trouble down the road.
There was something fishy last time I asked few questions BetterCallRaul, but I can't remember what exactly was that.
I think they probably received larger amount of coins from someone to exchange and they decided to keep it for themselves
Anyway realy unfortunate situation but sort of expected, a lot of mixers rushed to fill CM void and while some are trying to make money trough quality of their service it was inevitable that some would simply scam their way to profits.
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Can you add more information that might lead to their identification? They don't seem to be professionals, and with a little tracking, we will find that their deposits have ended up on a KYC centralized platform.
Does anyone know the exact date the site was taken down, it may have occurred some time before OmegaStarScream's response
flag supported
the idea of joker josue is good
That would be this api. The balance is always up to date.
I think Royse or other signature manager should do this API on every signature thread so the user can be aware too if advertiser has topped up the balance
the idea of joker josue is good
I think it's good that you protect yourself against this type of fraud. Because you are harmed, as well as all campaign participants.
One suggestion is that you use the @bitmover API to always indicate what balance the escrow has, visible as soon as you enter the topic.
One suggestion is that you use the @bitmover API to always indicate what balance the escrow has, visible as soon as you enter the topic.
That would be this api. The balance is always up to date.
Code:
[img]https://bitcoindata.science/api/addressbalance.php?address=bc1qq7p0es3dv5hcynjjf40f2xjjr6qp5py47d2f6n847vduuq9gvnyq7y9ecd[/img]
I think Royse or other signature manager should do this API on every signature thread so the user can be aware too if advertiser has topped up the balance
It's confirmed BetterCallRaul.it rug pulled and scammed us 0.05836495 BTC which they were supposed to spend in their signature campaign. I was considering, it's just a normal delay from them being busy
Flag supported.I think it's better to ask for payments in advance whenever you are working with some new crypto company, that way you will save yourself a lot of trouble down the road.
There was something fishy last time I asked few questions BetterCallRaul, but I can't remember what exactly was that.
I think they probably received larger amount of coins from someone to exchange and they decided to keep it for themselves
It's a shame, and highly low value moral from whoever behind the BetterCallRaul.it project.
Scammers don't live by moral codes, but photoshopping CM seized image was a real circus show. 
It's confirmed BetterCallRaul.it rug pulled and scammed us 0.05836495 BTC which they were supposed to spend in their signature campaign.
Shame on those people who did that to someone like Royse and the participants of the signature campaign. It wasn't fault of Royse to trust those people because honest people like him always trust those people who later on take advantage of such honest people. I don't know that how can those scammer sleep by doing such acts with honest people. However, what they have done is not your fault and you should not be sad for their act.
Now that I'm sure that the BetterCallRaul hasn't sent any funds to Royse for the campaign. I request Royse to not send me the payment from his pocket, I truly appreciate your efforts as a best campaign manager and I'm okay without the payment. In such times we all should support Royse sir, instead of filling our pockets from his pocket.
It's my humble request to the participants of the BetterCallRaul to understand the situation and support the manager who has done his job in the best way possible. I hope that many of the participants will understand the situation and will not take any payments from Royse's pocket.
It's a shame, and highly low value moral from whoever behind the BetterCallRaul.it project.
As I was expecting they did not pay the scammed amount of BTC that was supposed to be paid for the signature campaign. I'm really sorry for this incident and it's truly shameful behavior from the people behind the BettercallRaul.it Project and its owner. In the future it's important to be careful of shady and insure projects that willing to be promoted on bitcointalk. To prevent such situations like this from happening again make sure to secure funds for several weeks before launching a campaign, and don't go for more weeks only when you have funds secured from the project.
The name of the site is suspicious since it doesn't really sound like a serious platform that's why I also suspect that this is exit scam
You can't judge a book by it's cover. Some people prefer a funny name, while some scammers use "very serious names" and scam nonetheless. 
It's a shame, and highly low value moral from whoever behind the BetterCallRaul.it project.
It really is to be regretted, the fact that the idea clearly remained that they did this in a premeditated way.
This ends up hurting everyone's work! But this is only the fault of the project team.
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