Topic: 📣📣📣 [ANN] 👉 BESTMIXER.IO 👈 THE FUTURE OF BITCOIN MIXING! TECHNOLOGY IS HERE - page 10. (Read 25815 times)
June 21, 2018, 10:19:15 AM
Cool! Keep it up
June 21, 2018, 07:11:12 AM
I approve 
June 21, 2018, 06:39:12 AM
#1 BUMP from BESTMIXER.IO
Waiting for your feedback.
Waiting for your feedback.
June 21, 2018, 06:38:38 AM
Dear users of Bitcointalk community,
we have noticed that many companies raise their thread by only one word 'Bump'.
We decided to upgrade this method a little bit if you do not mind
If the community approves this method, we are planning to make a weekly bump in this format.
Waiting for your feedback.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
we have noticed that many companies raise their thread by only one word 'Bump'.
We decided to upgrade this method a little bit if you do not mind
If the community approves this method, we are planning to make a weekly bump in this format.
Waiting for your feedback.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
June 19, 2018, 04:16:16 PM
Today is a good day to anonymize your coins.
Save BestMixer.IO service in bookmarks today and use it with each transaction.
We are glad to welcome our new users.
Always ready to help in questions of anonymization.
Kind regards,
BestMixer Team
June 16, 2018, 03:21:37 PM
They don't guarantee that.
This is one of the considerable differences of BestMixer.IO from ChipMixer.
ChipMixer eventually admits that its client can get back his old coins.
BestMixer.IO protects its clients from the possibility of receiving their old coins at 100%.
P.S. 'BestMixer.IO on the Difficulties of Maintaining Anonymity' - bitcoin.com
Thank you for staying with us,
BestMixer Team
June 15, 2018, 07:32:48 AM
3. BESTMIXER CODE CAN NOT BE LINKED WITH A SPECIFIC CLIENT. READ ITEM 1, ITEM 2.
But can it link several addresses together? How do you link that code to the previously used coins; is it like a database/list of codes and transactions?I have a concern people, Let's say I send 1 BTC to Chipmixer and it commonizes into smaller chips, example 0.25, 0.1,0.1,0.5 etc etc.. and it gives me the keys all good. But when you spend the transaction and spend it anywhere it seems like it's very easy to pinpoint chip mixer transactions in a block.
Lets pick any block for example and see that there will be barely any transaction that's output is EXACTLY in 0.25 or 0.1 or 0.125 and if there are any transaction you can easily link them to chip-mixer transactions. I been scrolling through last few blocks and I can't seem to find any exact whole output.. when I did a transaction it was so easy to notice on block explorer in the block that was mined.
I suppose the only privacy we get is the fact that no one can pinpoint who exactly sent how much to chip mixer.
ChipMixer provides fungibility, not secrecy. Lets pick any block for example and see that there will be barely any transaction that's output is EXACTLY in 0.25 or 0.1 or 0.125 and if there are any transaction you can easily link them to chip-mixer transactions. I been scrolling through last few blocks and I can't seem to find any exact whole output.. when I did a transaction it was so easy to notice on block explorer in the block that was mined.
I suppose the only privacy we get is the fact that no one can pinpoint who exactly sent how much to chip mixer.
When you use CoinJoin or TumbleBit, you fungible bitcoins but it is no secret that you used it.
When you use Tor, it hides your connection, but it is no secret that you used it.
When you use Https, it hides your data, but it is no secret that you used it.
Fungibility means that every chip-sized transaction may be owned by anyone and there is no connection with previous transactions.
I agree with most of your post, however, having unconfirmed inputs in a regular size does not prove they were mixed by chipmixer at all... I could easily use some of my unspent outputs in a transaction that generates new outputs with the exact same value as chipmixer's chips...
It does not prove they were mixed by ChipMixer... but maybe they were? Lets say you are a blockchain analytist. You encounter ChipMixer-like output. You assume there is 50% probability it may be ChipMixer, so there is 50% chance no link between input and output. You have just gained some fungibility even when you do not use ChipMixer. Creating your own chips make blockchain analysis harder. We encourage everybody to do that.
2. Could you, please give an example of at least one method of attack on a client associated with the BestMixer code?
The only thing I can think of is that someone gets his own coins back after they've been mixed again by someone else. But that's just a matter of chance (not an attack), and can happen to any coins. June 15, 2018, 03:23:20 AM
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How secure is storing this code for the client's privacy?
I'm mainly thinking about the following (unanswered) questions that were raised about BitMixer.io.
Just 3 weeks after the first post about it, BitMixer closed. The questions were never answered, and I'm still curious. Prepare for a long quote (please note that I'm not pointing fingers, but I'd like to hear your opinion on this):
I'm mainly thinking about the following (unanswered) questions that were raised about BitMixer.io.
Just 3 weeks after the first post about it, BitMixer closed. The questions were never answered, and I'm still curious. Prepare for a long quote (please note that I'm not pointing fingers, but I'd like to hear your opinion on this):
1. BESTMIXER DOES NOT KEEP CUSTOMER IDENTIFICATION DATA.
2. BESTMIXER REMOVES ALL DATA OF THE ORDER 24 HOURS AFTER FULFILMENT OF ALL THE MIXING CONDITIONS.
3. BESTMIXER CODE CAN NOT BE LINKED WITH A SPECIFIC CLIENT. READ ITEM 1, ITEM 2.
4. THE USE OF THIS CODE ENSURES THAT YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR OLD COIN BACK DURING SUBSEQUENT MIXING.
Below is a scheme of how mixing works using BESTMIXER CODE.
STEP 0. The initial pool is shown, it contains 3 transactions, each transaction has its own BestMixer code.
STEP 1. The client sends 1 BTC to the BestMixer pool, his TRANSACTION is bound with the BestMixer code.
STEP 2. Our system finds a suitable transaction for the transfer, checks the amount and BestMixer code. The client receives mixed/anonymized coins, the balance with BestMixer code assigned earlier is sent back to the pool.
STEP 3. The updated pool now consists of 4 transactions, each transaction has its own BestMixer code.
We would like to emphasize that BestMixer code is assigned only to transactions. Once again, the use of such codes is an IMPORTANT part of any decent mixer.
In case of using GAMMA pool, the system chooses only transactions without assigned BestMixer code, i.e. these transactions were not received from clients, but were originally added to the pool by us or our investors. In this case, the use of BestMixer code is not needed. If you use GAMMA pool, you will never get your old coins back.
Two questions for you, LoyceV:
1. How does your FAVORITE service (of course, in YOUR opinion, the best service, otherwise you would not put advertising of this service in your signature) can guarantee that by mixing 1 BTC today, your coins will not come back to you in a day, a week or a month? (bypassing 2,3,10,100 transactions)?
2. Could you, please give an example of at least one method of attack on a client associated with the BestMixer code?
Please consider the items we highlighted above when answering. Thanks.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
June 13, 2018, 10:50:52 AM
June 13, 2018, 07:47:42 AM
Dear Friends,
we are often asked about the BestMixer code. In particular, in one of the comments to the news about BestMixer on the Bitcoin.com contains a similar question. In this message we tried to give as much as possible detailed answer.
This functionality is necessary for any mixer.
BestMixer code is a fundamental functionality; without such functionality any mixer can not be considered anonymous.
Consider a simple example of the sequence of events without use of the BestMixer code for each subsequent use of Alpha and Beta pools:
- today you sent 1 bitcoin to a mixer, getting back 1 anonymized bitcoin.
- after a day, a week or a month you sent 1 more bitcoin and got back 1 bitcoin from the address you sent a coin to, when you mixed first time.
It's not just about the integers, but also the parts of the total amount that you could get back from the old addresses when you use the service again.
Would you be satisfied with the service in this case? Does this service provide anonymity? In our opinion, the answer is unambiguous - no.
As you have already noticed, there is no users’ registration, logins, passwords, emails on our site - nothing that could be considered personal information or disconsider anyone.
As you can see on the pages of the site, BestMixer code is used in two issues:
- first of all, to avoid return of your old coins to you again
- secondly, to provide the maximum discount on the use of the mixer to our loyal clients.
Hence, BestMixer code is created to solve these two issues.
How does it work inside the system?
We have to mark transactions because without marking transactions, we would not understand whether it is your money or not when you repeat mixing; it would be technically impossible. Thus, we protect our clients from return of their old coins to them during subsequent mixing. The marking excludes our clients’ deposit from the common pool, so that they can not use it if the BestMixer code is applied.
The marking is also used to provide discount to the customers who support us by using our service repeatedly.
To sum up, the BestMixer code is necessary to protect a client from getting his old coins back under any circumstances - this is one of the key points on which the system is based.
And as for the use of the Gamma pool, the there is no need to use the BestMixer code in this pool at all, since it is a separate pool, not tied in any way to either Alpha or Beta pool. Using the Gamma pool, the client may not use the BestMixer code at all.
As indicated on our website, this pool is suitable for the most demanding clients who are more interested in the history of the coins. How are the funds formed in this pool? It's either investors' money or our own reserves. And this pool is really going to be a big problem for startups like CHAINALYSIS:) and yes, its maintenance is really more expensive.
We would like to underline that at the moment there is no tool in non-anonymous cryptocurrency networks that could anonymize coins, while not being a third party.
All available methods of anonymization, such as CoinJoin, or Elliptic-curve Diffie–Hellman (ECDH), require the presence of a third party.
Therefore, considering the specifics of the project and the unsettled position of various states and state bodies on the issue of coins anonymization, we prefer to be an unregistered company; there are many reasons for this. We would like our clients to trust us, and we, in turn, will do everything possible to ensure that no byte of personal information is available to hackers or government agencies with their de-anonymization tools.
If you have any other questions, we would be happy to answer them.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
we are often asked about the BestMixer code. In particular, in one of the comments to the news about BestMixer on the Bitcoin.com contains a similar question. In this message we tried to give as much as possible detailed answer.
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Why does Bestmixer give you an account/discount number? That would seem to create a way to trace all of your mixing transactions.
This functionality is necessary for any mixer.
BestMixer code is a fundamental functionality; without such functionality any mixer can not be considered anonymous.
Consider a simple example of the sequence of events without use of the BestMixer code for each subsequent use of Alpha and Beta pools:
- today you sent 1 bitcoin to a mixer, getting back 1 anonymized bitcoin.
- after a day, a week or a month you sent 1 more bitcoin and got back 1 bitcoin from the address you sent a coin to, when you mixed first time.
It's not just about the integers, but also the parts of the total amount that you could get back from the old addresses when you use the service again.
Would you be satisfied with the service in this case? Does this service provide anonymity? In our opinion, the answer is unambiguous - no.
As you have already noticed, there is no users’ registration, logins, passwords, emails on our site - nothing that could be considered personal information or disconsider anyone.
As you can see on the pages of the site, BestMixer code is used in two issues:
- first of all, to avoid return of your old coins to you again
- secondly, to provide the maximum discount on the use of the mixer to our loyal clients.
Hence, BestMixer code is created to solve these two issues.
How does it work inside the system?
We have to mark transactions because without marking transactions, we would not understand whether it is your money or not when you repeat mixing; it would be technically impossible. Thus, we protect our clients from return of their old coins to them during subsequent mixing. The marking excludes our clients’ deposit from the common pool, so that they can not use it if the BestMixer code is applied.
The marking is also used to provide discount to the customers who support us by using our service repeatedly.
To sum up, the BestMixer code is necessary to protect a client from getting his old coins back under any circumstances - this is one of the key points on which the system is based.
And as for the use of the Gamma pool, the there is no need to use the BestMixer code in this pool at all, since it is a separate pool, not tied in any way to either Alpha or Beta pool. Using the Gamma pool, the client may not use the BestMixer code at all.
As indicated on our website, this pool is suitable for the most demanding clients who are more interested in the history of the coins. How are the funds formed in this pool? It's either investors' money or our own reserves. And this pool is really going to be a big problem for startups like CHAINALYSIS:) and yes, its maintenance is really more expensive.
We would like to underline that at the moment there is no tool in non-anonymous cryptocurrency networks that could anonymize coins, while not being a third party.
All available methods of anonymization, such as CoinJoin, or Elliptic-curve Diffie–Hellman (ECDH), require the presence of a third party.
Therefore, considering the specifics of the project and the unsettled position of various states and state bodies on the issue of coins anonymization, we prefer to be an unregistered company; there are many reasons for this. We would like our clients to trust us, and we, in turn, will do everything possible to ensure that no byte of personal information is available to hackers or government agencies with their de-anonymization tools.
If you have any other questions, we would be happy to answer them.
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
June 10, 2018, 05:40:20 PM
Thank you, Thirdspace, for your assistance.
Yes, that's right, even if the first confirmation is 24 hours later, the deposit will be valid and processed.
As for the fixed discount of 15% for mixing received by the participants of our Reward Program, in the future, the cumulative system will be applied to these codes, but the total percentage of the cumulative discount will not exceed 50%
Kind regards,
BestMixer Team
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I don't quite understand this, are you saying I just need to initiate sending (deposit) transaction within 24 hours
and even if the transaction receives first confirmation after 24 hours, deposit will still be valid and processed?
and even if the transaction receives first confirmation after 24 hours, deposit will still be valid and processed?
Yes, that's right, even if the first confirmation is 24 hours later, the deposit will be valid and processed.
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btw, I have a question. anyway I can see my current total volume mixed coin? for discount purpose Cheesy
and would the 15% permanent discount (reviewer reward) added on top of regular discount for maximum 65% discount?
and would the 15% permanent discount (reviewer reward) added on top of regular discount for maximum 65% discount?
As for the fixed discount of 15% for mixing received by the participants of our Reward Program, in the future, the cumulative system will be applied to these codes, but the total percentage of the cumulative discount will not exceed 50%
Kind regards,
BestMixer Team
June 09, 2018, 06:56:04 PM
Minuses of service:
- Fee per address, not per total transaction. Makes it expensive when using multiple addresses.
- Only 24 hours to send coins.
when you have multiple outputs, bestmixer does it singly no batch payment not even with other user's payment - Fee per address, not per total transaction. Makes it expensive when using multiple addresses.
- Only 24 hours to send coins.
this costs more but I agree the fee is (sometimes) a bit steep, I think the reason is to guarantee timely payment as promised
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Only 24 hours to send coins.
It seems this time interval is enough to transfer money to the mixer, while 24 hours are given to deposit, without taking into account the time it will take to obtain confirmation of miners.
and even if the transaction receives first confirmation after 24 hours, deposit will still be valid and processed?
btw, I have a question. anyway I can see my current total volume mixed coin? for discount purpose
and would the 15% permanent discount (reviewer reward) added on top of regular discount for maximum 65% discount?
June 08, 2018, 11:48:48 AM
Dear Friends,
we are glad to share with you the latest news about our service:
1. We have added support for Bech32 addresses, at the moment our service supports three types of bitcoin addresses:
P2PKH which begin with the number 1,
eg: 1BvBMSEYstWetqTFn5Au4m4GFg7xJaNVN2
P2SH type starting with the number 3,
eg: 3J98t1WpEZ73CNmQviecrnyiWrnqRhWNLy
Bech32 type starting with bc1,
eg: bc1qar0srrr7xfkvy5l643lydnw9re59gtzzwf5mdq.
2. New posts in press from "Bitcoinchaser" and "Cryptoinsider".
- BestMixer.io Debuts User-Friendly Bitcoin Mixer with Unmatched Functionality
- BestMixer.io Bitcoin Tumbler Protects Your Privacy with Digital Currency Anonymizer
3. Video, where our service is mentioned
It would be great to see your comments on this.
4. NoJS version is ready for 90%, it will be released in 10 days, and the next stage of the service testing will start .
5. Video tutorial is ready for 50%: we have finished the script, visual sketches, have chosen speakers, and now we have started drawing. In about 2 weeks we plan to add a detailed video tutorial about the use of the service in 11 languages.
6. In the Contact section you can also see our e-mail for communication: bestmixer [AT] protonmail.com
We will be happy to answer any of your questions and suggestions.
Thank you for staying with us,
BestMixer Team
June 06, 2018, 04:05:28 AM
Thank you for your opinion about the BestMixer service.
When using multiple addresses, multiple transfers are being performed. It is obligatory to pay a Miners' Fee for each transfer
This is how the cryptocurrency network works.
BestMixer is one of the few services that does not use a fixed Service Fee, but uses a dynamic value.
Usually, this value is lower than all other services many times, thus, at the moment, BestMixer takes the LOWEST Service Fee for transaction transfer compared to other similar services.
It seems this time interval is enough to transfer money to the mixer, while 24 hours are given to deposit, without taking into account the time it will take to obtain confirmation of miners.
1. Using a new address for each transaction is a common practice to protect your anonymity.
Otherwise, if someone had sent two transactions to the same incoming address, we would have to send two transactions to the same receiving address of that client.
2. Human factor. Since this is a common practice, such transfers are considered by the system to be erroneous.
Such transfer can occur only if the customer deposits on several separate orders, and mistakenly transfers money to the address of the same order again.
In this case, after contacting Support, funds transferred again to the same address will be returned to the client.
Kind regards,
BestMixer Team
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Fee per address, not per total transaction. Makes it expensive when using multiple addresses.
When using multiple addresses, multiple transfers are being performed. It is obligatory to pay a Miners' Fee for each transfer
This is how the cryptocurrency network works.
BestMixer is one of the few services that does not use a fixed Service Fee, but uses a dynamic value.
Usually, this value is lower than all other services many times, thus, at the moment, BestMixer takes the LOWEST Service Fee for transaction transfer compared to other similar services.
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Only 24 hours to send coins.
It seems this time interval is enough to transfer money to the mixer, while 24 hours are given to deposit, without taking into account the time it will take to obtain confirmation of miners.
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Only first transaction is processed.. if you send more it's stuck (need to contact support).
1. Using a new address for each transaction is a common practice to protect your anonymity.
Otherwise, if someone had sent two transactions to the same incoming address, we would have to send two transactions to the same receiving address of that client.
2. Human factor. Since this is a common practice, such transfers are considered by the system to be erroneous.
Such transfer can occur only if the customer deposits on several separate orders, and mistakenly transfers money to the address of the same order again.
In this case, after contacting Support, funds transferred again to the same address will be returned to the client.
Kind regards,
BestMixer Team
June 05, 2018, 03:15:54 PM
The service looks very good. Nice to see they posted vulernabilities so other mixers can improve.
The ability to choose pools is amazing. I expect the problem with "trusted" coins or so called trust score of address, to come to mainstream in next months/years.
There should be huge development emphasis on this aspect, as blockchain analysis tools are constantly improving.
Minuses of service:
- Fee per address, not per total transaction. Makes it expensive when using multiple addresses.
- Only 24 hours to send coins.
- Only first transaction is processed.. if you send more it's stuck (need to contact support).
The ability to choose pools is amazing. I expect the problem with "trusted" coins or so called trust score of address, to come to mainstream in next months/years.
There should be huge development emphasis on this aspect, as blockchain analysis tools are constantly improving.
Minuses of service:
- Fee per address, not per total transaction. Makes it expensive when using multiple addresses.
- Only 24 hours to send coins.
- Only first transaction is processed.. if you send more it's stuck (need to contact support).
June 05, 2018, 02:45:06 PM
May 16, 2018
Almost all mixers with a vulnerability we found, fixed their systems.
Almost all mixers with a vulnerability we found, fixed their systems.
Description of vulnerabilities:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33958406
Details:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34021863
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34081331
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33958885
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
June 05, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
Just enter into the CAE-check the address where the coins were sent from to your usual bitcoin mixer, and it will show you the receiving address(es).
Why the CAE-check URL is broken?
June 03, 2018, 04:50:10 PM
Dear Friends,
before the start of a week we would like to inform you about the latest updates:
- the minimum transfer amount is reduced to .001 BTC
- the maximum transfer delay is increased to 72 hours
- the percentage distribution between several addresses can be specified to hundredths
- our video is now available in all previously announced languages on our website
Both non JS version of the website and the inclusion of Ethereum are being developed.
It was nice today to read a news about our service at Bitcoin.com:
https://news.bitcoin.com/meet-bestmixer-the-bitcoin-tumbler-trying-to-outwit-chainalysis/
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
before the start of a week we would like to inform you about the latest updates:
- the minimum transfer amount is reduced to .001 BTC
- the maximum transfer delay is increased to 72 hours
- the percentage distribution between several addresses can be specified to hundredths
- our video is now available in all previously announced languages on our website
Both non JS version of the website and the inclusion of Ethereum are being developed.
It was nice today to read a news about our service at Bitcoin.com:
https://news.bitcoin.com/meet-bestmixer-the-bitcoin-tumbler-trying-to-outwit-chainalysis/
Best regards,
BestMixer Team
May 31, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
Is it safe to transfer directly from bittrex wallet to your wallet?
It is certainly safe, as well as to transfer coins from one address to another.
For each mixing order, we create a new unique incoming address.
Kind regards,
BestMixer Team
May 31, 2018, 02:13:01 PM
Is it safe to transfer directly from bittrex wallet to your wallet?
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