Topic: [ANN] Bisq - Exchange, Decentralized. - page 4. (Read 2883 times)

I have made multiple trades at Bisq and fully vouch for it. Great stuff and very cool! Thumbs up to people who developed that excellent platform!

Being the aforementioned issue with taproot addresses and bitcoinj present in any version of bisq, updating to 1.9.5 still warrants new exciting features like the status light at bottom right! 

Why did you update the app then? Use the old one, look for the old application build in the folder Downloads

I recall learning that bisq uses the bitcoinj library not long ago.  You're correct; as of the most recent major release of bitcoinj they've implemented sending to segwit v1 addresses, but have yet to implement creation of taproot addresses.

Here's an excerpt from the bitcoinj V0.16.0 release notes:

However, it's still not possible to send to a taproot address from the Bisq wallet.  Here's what I get when I try:

I guess bitcoinj has no compatibility with taproot (yet?), and since that's the library Bisq uses for all bitcoin functions, that's a limitation we need to cope with

For those of you who are using bisq, I'm sure you've already seen the update notice informing you of version 1.9.5 having been released about a week ago.  The new P2P connectivity GUI indicator is a pretty cool feature.  At least now when you're browsing through offers, and one times out you'll know if it's your connection or the other party.  I haven't had one time out since the new version, and since I have a couple of instances running from time to time, I've notice that if one instance is having connection issues, the offers from that instance will not be visible to others.  So, I figure the issue with timing out once taking an offer shouldn't be as big of an issue anymore.

Still no Taproot address compatibility, I guess it was wishful thinking to interpret "Prepare Bisq for bitcoin-core v23 compatibility" meant taproot implementation.

Thanks for sharing this information ! will update as soon as possible

Sorry for the muli-post, but I just wanted to give everyone a headsup; Bisq version 1.9.5 is currently in the testing phase, and the pre-release may be as early as tomorrow.  There are a few improvements to the UI, and some bug fixes as well.

Here's a list of the planned improvements:


And, more info here:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq/tree/release/v1.9.5

FIFY. 

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I don't understand how the US government could justify sanctioning Bisq, but that doesn't mean they're not plotting to do so.  Bisq itself is nothing more than "ebay" for digital assets.  I don't see Bisq as an obfuscation tool, at least not anymore than Coinbase Pro, or any other centralized exchange.  The only difference is the lack of KYC and traceability, but there's no US law that has codified traceability requirements of digital assets, or cash for that matter.  Because that would be unconstitutional... (as if that matters.)

Bisq has implemented rules that I believe make it less prone to government sanctions; i.e. there are limits on fiat to BTC trades that allow no more than 0.25BTC to be traded in one transaction.  The rules aren't so much for AML reasons, but rather for the safety of traders.  However, those ruled would make it more difficult (and less obscure) if one were to use Bisq to wash large sums of fiat.  But the fact remains that with some effort Bisq can be used by bad actors.

Nevertheless, I would love to see Bisq move it's source code to a decentralized or self-hosted gitlab type of hosting site.  The governments of the world (and specifically the US) are starting to panic as their corruption is getting exposed.  They know that their only hope of maintaining their grip on power is by ensuring they control their subjects' currency.  Anything Bisq can do to mitigate a governments ability to shut the system down will ensure that the bitcoin revolution lives on.

That is something we will consider, yes, Bisq should definitely move forward

Have you spoken to a real lawyer about the implications? And probably more then one because one that is well versed in EU law probably has no clue about US law.
Going with the theory that if you cover the EU + US you can probably be covered for most places. I don't know squat about implications of doing what you do, but I can see some overzealous enforcement person trying to make a name for themselves trying to cause trouble. Sad, but true.

-Dave

Honestly we haven't talked extensively about this, yet, still we feel the pressure, no doubt.
Brief references to the possibility of choosing an alternative to github have been made, and if you notice how, under DAO > Governance, all proposals links do not point straight to github, but rather to a translation url that redirects to the correct issues on github thereafter, this was a possibility that had been put in code since the start.

More extensive discussion was entertained regarding the specifics of the FinCEN legislation, where Bisq, as a platform which doesn't get involved in the trades directly, not like TornadoCash (I reckon), it cannot really be considered a middleman acting as financial entity. The security deposit, and the rest of the trade protocol, is only "led" by the application, yet all the funds move exclusively between the trading peers, no middle step involved where Bisq manages the funds in any way.

The recent tornado cash issue triggered me to think about the worst. Things like the US government sanctioning Bisq.network, having profiles of developers in GitHub deleted and probably arresting some of the developers who may not be anonymous (we all know how crazy those Government Motherf*ckers can be)

Does Bisq have a plan to make sure that their operation remains smooth even after being sanctioned (In case it happens)?
Perhaps opting for decentralized alternatives to github?

Full disclosure:


I met w000000t on Bisq's IRC channel, https://bisq.chat.

Awesome! I'm pasting the source here so it can be found easily for anyone to verify.

Just posted a link to my previous post in offtopic at bisq.chat

Could you verify that it's you by e.g. sending a screenshot of your post from w000000t's profile in https://bisq.chat/ and writing that that's you? Maybe simply in Random/Off-Topic channel.

Hello people
this is w000000t from the Bisq support team, I was notified there was some trolling going on in this thread so I decided I finally needed to get an account on THE forum, and here I am. I reckon the trolling has been cleaned already, but I suppose, since I'm here... AMA if you want.
I know more than the average, being a support agent and all, but not everything. There is actually a lot to learn about Bisq, and I'm not done so myself.

Already did that  the email address I'm using here on the forum is not related to my person itself so even if it get published somewhere, I don't really care about Thanks for pointing out

Just as a probably helpful information:

Bitcointalk has been hacked several times, where various data was obtained by hackers, such like also E-Mail Addresses, which are normally hidden from public (for a good reason). Because in case a hacker obtains your mail address and your real name or can tie your Bitcointalk account (via Mail) to your real-life identity, you might be in danger because such data is sold on the Darknet frequently (see also Ledger's big hack).
Unfortunately, hackers are acting very aggressively.

So, I can recommend using a different, pseudonymous mail address for your Bitcointalk Account and for Crypto in general.
It's just a recommendation but I assume many people will agree here.