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Quote from: Last of the V8s on November 11, 2018, 06:34:46 AM

https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/310
Bitfinex is pleased to announce full support for the upcoming Bitcoin Cash hard fork taking place on November 15th, 2018.

Yes I just read this. They should post how they will handle all the margin and lending of BCH during the fork to avoid the problems with the Bitcoin Cash fork last Aug 2017.

Basically as you know when you lend BCH, you won't get creditted during the fork. However the individual that borrowed the BCH to short, he will owe both chains. And the individual that bought BCH to trade would also need to get credited.

I think the way that Poloniex handled the BCH fork in Aug 2017 was clean. If you borrowed BTC , you were creditted the BCH fork. There was no percentages like the way Bitfinex handled it.

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They forget to mention BitcoinStash also.
It is best fork and decentralised original Satoshi BitcoinCash coin

https://bstash.org/

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Bring back the power to people! Let them have BStash-es

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Quote from: Last of the V8s on November 11, 2018, 06:34:46 AM

https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/310
Bitfinex is pleased to announce full support for the upcoming Bitcoin Cash hard fork taking place on November 15th, 2018.

so other coin will born or just updated wallet of BCH only in the hardfork . It got highlight when it reached 0.084 to 0.098 in 1 day 10% rise. Even i am still holding .

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https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/310
Bitfinex is pleased to announce full support for the upcoming Bitcoin Cash hard fork taking place on November 15th, 2018.

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Quote from: Hulk1997 on November 11, 2018, 12:01:36 AM

Will be Multibit HD wallet give me access to BitcoinCash?

No brother, i will suggest you to export the private keys to some wallet which give you access to actions like BCC.
Thete are plenty on internet but download only reputed ones.

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Going into https://cryptolend.net/rates.html and checking the BCH lending rates we are currently sitting at 0.7% and we peaked at 0.75% a few hours ago, it seems they are running out of BCH to lend.

I am guessing people want to borrow BCH, so they can get both the BCH fork coins after Nov 15 and they are comfortable paying these crazy funding rates. However the fork isn't for another 4 days and by then most of the 2 day funding will most likely get cancelled.

Also Bitfinex hasn't released any statement what so ever on how they will handle the fork and how the margin trading for BCH will work.

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Quote from: Searing on November 10, 2018, 10:48:32 PM

Quote from: Bitbobb on November 10, 2018, 10:31:54 PM

Quote from: Searing on November 07, 2018, 04:41:55 PM

Again, folk on this thread have 'tried' to explain this to me before. But I'm still befuddled....so just checking...

IF you have a BTC paper wallet from 2015 with your BTC and of course 1st fork of BCH coin on that wallet from the first BCH fork.

AND you never have touched it. It still has its 'virgin' BTC and 'virgin' BCH sitting their patiently trolling you to blow it on girls and travel Sad

Do you have to move your BCH to an individual wallet BCH for this next BCH fork off of above original BTC 2015 paper wallet address chain to work?

Or will it act like all other forks of above with riginal BTC wallet with BCH on it....and you don't have to do zip...moving the BCH off of the legacy address?

Thus, does my original BTC and BCH wallet address from 2015 above act like the original 1st BCH wallet as well and no move is needed?

Hopefully, this clears up what I'm asking. I assume I can leave all this alone and this next BCH fork will be included in the 'varied attachments of many dubious

forked BTC coins' on this BTC paper wallet from 2015

I'd think this is the case for all those BTC wallets that have yet to move off BCH off them yet from the very first BCH fork. Thus this next BCH fork

will act the same, without any action on my part. Or my 'paranoia' is justified and this next BCH forked coin off of BCH can only fork off a 'pure' BCH address..thus I'd better move off the BCH.

Probably more than 50% of folk never moving their original BCH off their original BTC...that would be a lot less of this BCH forked coin in the world if the fork is off of a generated BCH wallet address only!

Hopefully, what I'm asking makes sense...but use small words and pictures....for clarity...I seem to be getting 'dimmer' with age, dont' ya know. ...not that I'm paranoid..it is just that I'm very, very, paranoid.

(could be worse, I could work for NASA and screw up the technical communications as I did with previous posts on this thread to me on this and everyone dies.eaaaak!..best to grovel and just ask again Sad

thank you for your patience on this

I will labor to be less of an 'idiot' in the future

brad

your question is good. please keep asking until you are satisfied.

You do not need to do anything. If you have your private keys you have your coins. There is only ONE BitCoin Wink

However Seg wit coins, lightning network tokens and now DSV are not secure ECONOMICALLY speaking Wink

Well, I never really got a clear answer. I assume? Huh

that since the BTC paper wallet I have from 2015 has BTC on it undisturbed...and thus also on that same wallet when emptied has BCH on it undisturbed...

that when/if I move the BTC someplace ..wa la! it becomes my 1st BCH wallet ..thus this coming fork will then show up on such.

otherwise, what is it 51% or some such of BTC wallets have NOT seperated their BCH coins from such by moving and siphoning off the BCH....

if that is not the case....well we will see...just not doing crap....if I have to run around moving all the forked coin off my original BTC chain in order to get any forks of those forks...

well now that is just gettin silly

but as to the above an answer from someone on the above well 'deafening silence'

so that means that the craig wright fork of BCH if it ONLY is off seprated BTC wallets etc...the payout in BCH would probably be what 40% of BTC wallets from back in the day IF PEOPLE CLAIM IT

if not craig wright fork does not have to shoot out a lot of BCH forked coins.

or

it is just obvious what i put above is correct and I don't have to do anything to get the BCH fork of my 'untouched' 2015 BTC wallet with original BCH ...and my question is just stupid to those in the know

*hey, I'm not the sharpest shovel in the shed*

anyway, not doing crap....my 2015 paper wallet of BTC is sitting safe/fat and happy in the bank safety deposit box.....if I start moving coin around to differenent addresses and such....I could snap like

a dry twig and have a life of romance/travel and adventure....shudder.....sounds like work..best not to be tempted even 'gazing' on those 2015 paper wallets...I could be ....well....'exciting' grrrrrrr....

later

brad

if your btc never touched seg wit and your bch never touched dsv/ctor you are fine and will have both coins still after fork. In your case your btc&BCH are pre-seg wit and pre- dsv/ctor so you are safe in both scenarios.

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Quote from: Bitbobb on November 07, 2018, 01:26:32 AM

Quote from: jbreher on November 06, 2018, 10:47:35 PM

Quote from: HostFat on November 06, 2018, 02:53:10 AM

How to easily split if somehow the Wright chain get some value

https://github.com/markblundeberg/coinsplitter_checkdatasig/releases/tag/3.3.1CS

I don't know the name Mark Blundeberg. Is he a major Electron Cash submitter? I only ask, as a forked wallet would be an excellent way to steal the coins of unsuspecting users.

Note I am not trying to malign monsieur Blundeberg. I just don't know. And this is crypto. Stay wary, my friends.

Edit: Jonald seems to have some modicum of confidence in Mr Lundeberg. From https://electroncash.org/nov2018.html :

Quote

I, Jonald Fyookball, maintainer of Electron Cash, have checked the deterministic Windows build of Mark Lundeberg's coinsplitter and can confirm the following SHA256 checksum reproduces on my setup:

b307b23f86aa8ec600d43686e3bf75d41ed423ea54290632d61466f8ab904656 Electron Cash-3.3.1CS.exe

I have not, however, reviewed the full set of code differences from the official Electron Cash.

Though note the fact that the changes have not been thoroughly reviewed.

I seem to remember that a malfeasant fork of Electrum was the way many got scammed out of their Bitcoin Gold.

be concerned. As I understand the fyookball guy is not able to be proven as a real person nor can he create a legit business to take electron cash to the next level of legitimacy...

handcash made statement today they are ready for the fork and are SV node based.

Electrum fork handling bug, which electron cash inherited.
https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/electrum/blockchain.py#L267

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Quote from: Bitbobb on November 10, 2018, 10:31:54 PM

Quote from: Searing on November 07, 2018, 04:41:55 PM

Again, folk on this thread have 'tried' to explain this to me before. But I'm still befuddled....so just checking...

IF you have a BTC paper wallet from 2015 with your BTC and of course 1st fork of BCH coin on that wallet from the first BCH fork.

AND you never have touched it. It still has its 'virgin' BTC and 'virgin' BCH sitting their patiently trolling you to blow it on girls and travel Sad

Do you have to move your BCH to an individual wallet BCH for this next BCH fork off of above original BTC 2015 paper wallet address chain to work?

Or will it act like all other forks of above with riginal BTC wallet with BCH on it....and you don't have to do zip...moving the BCH off of the legacy address?

Thus, does my original BTC and BCH wallet address from 2015 above act like the original 1st BCH wallet as well and no move is needed?

Hopefully, this clears up what I'm asking. I assume I can leave all this alone and this next BCH fork will be included in the 'varied attachments of many dubious

forked BTC coins' on this BTC paper wallet from 2015

I'd think this is the case for all those BTC wallets that have yet to move off BCH off them yet from the very first BCH fork. Thus this next BCH fork

will act the same, without any action on my part. Or my 'paranoia' is justified and this next BCH forked coin off of BCH can only fork off a 'pure' BCH address..thus I'd better move off the BCH.

Probably more than 50% of folk never moving their original BCH off their original BTC...that would be a lot less of this BCH forked coin in the world if the fork is off of a generated BCH wallet address only!

Hopefully, what I'm asking makes sense...but use small words and pictures....for clarity...I seem to be getting 'dimmer' with age, dont' ya know. ...not that I'm paranoid..it is just that I'm very, very, paranoid.

(could be worse, I could work for NASA and screw up the technical communications as I did with previous posts on this thread to me on this and everyone dies.eaaaak!..best to grovel and just ask again Sad

thank you for your patience on this

I will labor to be less of an 'idiot' in the future

brad

your question is good. please keep asking until you are satisfied.

You do not need to do anything. If you have your private keys you have your coins. There is only ONE BitCoin Wink

However Seg wit coins, lightning network tokens and now DSV are not secure ECONOMICALLY speaking Wink

Well, I never really got a clear answer. I assume? Huh

that since the BTC paper wallet I have from 2015 has BTC on it undisturbed...and thus also on that same wallet when emptied has BCH on it undisturbed...

that when/if I move the BTC someplace ..wa la! it becomes my 1st BCH wallet ..thus this coming fork will then show up on such.

otherwise, what is it 51% or some such of BTC wallets have NOT seperated their BCH coins from such by moving and siphoning off the BCH....

if that is not the case....well we will see...just not doing crap....if I have to run around moving all the forked coin off my original BTC chain in order to get any forks of those forks...

well now that is just gettin silly

but as to the above an answer from someone on the above well 'deafening silence'

so that means that the craig wright fork of BCH if it ONLY is off seprated BTC wallets etc...the payout in BCH would probably be what 40% of BTC wallets from back in the day IF PEOPLE CLAIM IT

if not craig wright fork does not have to shoot out a lot of BCH forked coins.

or

it is just obvious what i put above is correct and I don't have to do anything to get the BCH fork of my 'untouched' 2015 BTC wallet with original BCH ...and my question is just stupid to those in the know

*hey, I'm not the sharpest shovel in the shed*

anyway, not doing crap....my 2015 paper wallet of BTC is sitting safe/fat and happy in the bank safety deposit box.....if I start moving coin around to differenent addresses and such....I could snap like

a dry twig and have a life of romance/travel and adventure....shudder.....sounds like work..best not to be tempted even 'gazing' on those 2015 paper wallets...I could be ....well....'exciting' grrrrrrr....

later

brad

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Quote from: Searing on November 07, 2018, 04:41:55 PM

Again, folk on this thread have 'tried' to explain this to me before. But I'm still befuddled....so just checking...

IF you have a BTC paper wallet from 2015 with your BTC and of course 1st fork of BCH coin on that wallet from the first BCH fork.

AND you never have touched it. It still has its 'virgin' BTC and 'virgin' BCH sitting their patiently trolling you to blow it on girls and travel Sad

Do you have to move your BCH to an individual wallet BCH for this next BCH fork off of above original BTC 2015 paper wallet address chain to work?

Or will it act like all other forks of above with riginal BTC wallet with BCH on it....and you don't have to do zip...moving the BCH off of the legacy address?

Thus, does my original BTC and BCH wallet address from 2015 above act like the original 1st BCH wallet as well and no move is needed?

Hopefully, this clears up what I'm asking. I assume I can leave all this alone and this next BCH fork will be included in the 'varied attachments of many dubious

forked BTC coins' on this BTC paper wallet from 2015

I'd think this is the case for all those BTC wallets that have yet to move off BCH off them yet from the very first BCH fork. Thus this next BCH fork

will act the same, without any action on my part. Or my 'paranoia' is justified and this next BCH forked coin off of BCH can only fork off a 'pure' BCH address..thus I'd better move off the BCH.

Probably more than 50% of folk never moving their original BCH off their original BTC...that would be a lot less of this BCH forked coin in the world if the fork is off of a generated BCH wallet address only!

Hopefully, what I'm asking makes sense...but use small words and pictures....for clarity...I seem to be getting 'dimmer' with age, dont' ya know. ...not that I'm paranoid..it is just that I'm very, very, paranoid.

(could be worse, I could work for NASA and screw up the technical communications as I did with previous posts on this thread to me on this and everyone dies.eaaaak!..best to grovel and just ask again Sad

thank you for your patience on this

I will labor to be less of an 'idiot' in the future

brad

your question is good. please keep asking until you are satisfied.

You do not need to do anything. If you have your private keys you have your coins. There is only ONE BitCoin Wink

However Seg wit coins, lightning network tokens and now DSV are not secure ECONOMICALLY speaking Wink

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There is still very little information about the stiffest plug. They write that it will be an improvement in Bitcoin Cash.There is a great expectation in recent days.

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Oh and who just mined two 32MB blocks?

Good - stress - test !

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What Tone Vays did

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I didn't know there were so many sensitive pussies in the crytpo space, CSW can say one thing and half the community gets their feelings hurt. SMH

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Quote from: Last of the V8s on November 10, 2018, 05:52:33 AM

Well I respect you for not rising to my ad homs, and I may have been wrong to characterise it exactly as a pyramid scheme. idk/idc

Anyway look the answer to your main question 'how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?' is of course "not very hard". The devs and the best features are all in bitcoin already.

No altcoins have any worthwhile technology that bitcoin doesn't, nor will they have any such thing in 2 years' time. Yes their dollar and/or bitcoin values may skyrocket and there is easy money to be had from them in the short term, but that's not the same as sound money and sound, proven tech, aka Bitcoin.

There is a lot more to counter in what you have put, but can I beg you as my parting shot to reconsider just one part, that there exists an 'academic' discipline called 'economics'. Conjoining these two terms results in an oxymoron. It defies logic, so I wouldn't trust anyone who banks on their experience in such a field.

Time will tell, i see Inititiative Q is reporting well over 2 million signups now so the viral fomo marketing seems to be working. Bitcoin will always have the first mover advantage but there are still many problems to solve. I agree that the majority of alts have very little technical merit, but bitcoin has not achieved much adoption, and the drop from 20k has scared a lot of new entrants, and a free distribution looks pretty good compared to 6.5k per Bitcoin with still a chance we drop below 5k. Crypto insiders have very different psychology compared to all the people who heard about bitcoin in 2017 but are uncertain on what to invest in, Bitcoin looks expensive, Initiative Q is free, so it isn't surprising crypto regulars are calling it a scam, and noobies on facebook are going nuts.

Logically the preferences and actions of the 99.9% of humans who currently don't own any crypto will have a BIG influence on which projects reach mass user adoption, and our current banking system literally creates money from nothing using bank credit, so the possibility that Initiative Q might create money from nothing by signing up millions of noobies who believe they missed the cheap bitcoin but still have a chance with initiative Q isn't that far fetched.

Sometimes it's better to act based on what you think will happen, not necessarily what you want to happen.

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Yes, price in short term doesn't equal fundamental value.
And bitcoin fundamental value is definitely highest

Interesting article about BCH situation:

The Bitcoin Cash civil war: Chain split or consensus?

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Quote from: boomboom on November 10, 2018, 05:00:46 AM

Quote from: Last of the V8s on November 10, 2018, 04:16:19 AM

Here's the article archived https://archive.is/7rwQ6 not that it's of much substance.

Hey what's with the pyramid scheme in your signature? Inniative[sic] Q?

All the scams making you stupid bro? People get red-tagged for supporting these scams...

After some research i don't think Initiative Q is a pyramid scheme, they're public people with verifiable experience in payments and academic economics experimenting with viral marketing, they've flipped the 2017 ico roadmap and gone with a free distribution which I respect. They're[sic] plan seems to be concentrate on growing awareness using viral fomo to generate signups, and leave the tech details for 1-2 years when some of the scaling problems are solved. This is a smart move imo, much better than an ICO for unproven tech like most of the high flyers from 2017. If the viral fomo ends up with +20 million users, which looks possible, how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?

Back in Jan 2014 NEM were giving away free stakes before they had any tech, you just had to post 'interested' in a thread. Those nem stakes ended up being worth over 1M USD, but many thought it was a joke.

'If enough people come, you can build IT when the time comes, using the best of everything' ... that's better than an ICO paying for 'we'll build it and they will come'

Well I respect you for not rising to my ad homs, and I may have been wrong to characterise it exactly as a pyramid scheme. idk/idc

Anyway look the answer to your main question 'how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?' is of course "not very hard". The devs and the best features are all in bitcoin already.

No altcoins have any worthwhile technology that bitcoin doesn't, nor will they have any such thing in 2 years' time. Yes their dollar and/or bitcoin values may skyrocket and there is easy money to be had from them in the short term, but that's not the same as sound money and sound, proven tech, aka Bitcoin.

There is a lot more to counter in what you have put, but can I beg you as my parting shot to reconsider just one part, that there exists an 'academic' discipline called 'economics'. Conjoining these two terms results in an oxymoron. It defies logic, so I wouldn't trust anyone who banks on their experience in such a field.

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Quote from: Last of the V8s on November 10, 2018, 04:16:19 AM

Here's the article archived https://archive.is/7rwQ6 not that it's of much substance.

Hey what's with the pyramid scheme in your signature? Inniative Q?

All the scams making you stupid bro? People get red-tagged for supporting these scams...

After some research i don't think Initiative Q is a pyramid scheme, they're public people with verifiable experience in payments and academic economics experimenting with viral marketing, they've flipped the 2017 ico roadmap and gone with a free distribution which I respect. They're plan seems to be concentrate on growing awareness using viral fomo to generate signups, and leave the tech details for 1-2 years when some of the scaling problems are solved. This is a smart move imo, much better than an ICO for unproven tech like most of the high flyers from 2017. If the viral fomo ends up with +20 million users, which looks possible, how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?

Back in Jan 2014 NEM were giving away free stakes before they had any tech, you just had to post 'interested' in a thread. Those nem stakes ended up being worth over 1M USD, but many thought it was a joke.

'If enough people come, you can build IT when the time comes, using the best of everything' ... that's better than an ICO paying for 'we'll build it and they will come'

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