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hero member
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September 27, 2012, 09:18:49 AM
#70
It also worries me that you need to give away your anonymity to support this project.
Where will this precious data end up when shit hits the fan?

I agree, this doesn't even keep one of the core values of bitcoins, that is anonymity, kinda disappointed, I wanted to get a membership until I see have to provide a real address and real name. 

You can still donate anonymously

But I want a vote

You vote when you use bitcoins and install a client software that fits your needs. You don't need to break anonymity for that.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
September 27, 2012, 09:13:25 AM
#69
What does the "Foundation" actually do, that isn't happening already? What is the product or service that it provides? Seems something like a talk-shop, lobby, think-tank along those lines right?

Besides being able to curry favour with certain (unnamed) entities on the member's behalf, what does a member get in return for their bitcoins? A vote?

At the downside risk of painting a big, fat target for bitcoin attackers, I don't really see the balance of upside benefits, icbw.

Bkkcoins:
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This feels like the beginning of the end to me. A good 'ol boys club where only the Bitcoin rich get influence. How else can they justify paying large dues? How is this foundation going to respond to government pressure to change the code, to regulate and control who uses Bitcoin and how? It seems like we're going from what was a decentralized system to one where the developers are directly under the influence of the major dues payers and will be, whatever they say now not withstanding, under direct government control.

Bitcoin is inherently different than Linux and one thing that brought many users together in using Bitcoin was that it had no central nexxus for control.

I know how you feel but the worst outcome here, as I see it, is the beginning of the end of the official 'Satoshi' client. In this game, the best software wins network majority. A centralised, compromised client offering weighed down by "the Foundation" can always be usurped by a more desirable client offering ... from wherever it springs ... although there is always that network warning key that Gavin holds that could be used to propagandise against upstart client "threats" I suppose.

Obligatory troll: would Gavin (or any dev) even tell us if they worked for a TLA ... recall he did sell the bitcoin traceability aspect via graph theory analysis in his talk to the CIA?
sr. member
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September 27, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
#68
Can you get the lawyer to talk to the S.E.C lol?
sr. member
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Lead Core BitKitty Developer
September 27, 2012, 09:12:43 AM
#67
This is absolutely no needed in the bitcoin world. I don't think the bitcoin network needs a big fat target foundation "orienting" the coding or influencing users.

I don't see any utility in this foundation but helping some lazy ass journalist in understanding the bitcoin spirit answering a phone call. Just read the code or come to the forums to build an informed opinion!!!

The only influence the network needs is the power of the majority accepting and using the bitcoins.

+1
hero member
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September 27, 2012, 09:11:09 AM
#66
This is absolutely no needed in the bitcoin world. I don't think the bitcoin network needs a big fat target foundation "orienting" the coding or influencing users.

I don't see any utility in this foundation but helping some lazy ass journalist in understanding the bitcoin spirit answering a phone call. Just read the code or come to the forums to build an informed opinion!!!

The only influence the network needs is the power of the majority accepting and using the bitcoins.
member
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September 27, 2012, 09:07:30 AM
#65
Great  ! now bitcoin will have legal entity
full member
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September 27, 2012, 09:06:49 AM
#64
It also worries me that you need to give away your anonymity to support this project.
Where will this precious data end up when shit hits the fan?

I agree, this doesn't even keep one of the core values of bitcoins, that is anonymity, kinda disappointed, I wanted to get a membership until I see have to provide a real address and real name.  

You can still donate anonymously
hero member
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Merit: 500
In cryptography we trust
September 27, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
#63
What if, say, banks or the US government wanted to destroy Bitcoin?

Can they now just buy their way into the Bitcoin Foundation (for e.g. with lots of sockpuppet memberships) and disrupt development?
sr. member
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Lead Core BitKitty Developer
September 27, 2012, 09:04:57 AM
#62

Q: Is this the infamous September Announcement?

Yes.

So the bitcoin foundation (which had nothing to do with founding bitcoin and created itself without involvement from the bitcoin community or its creator) gets a start as some incredibly overhyped Announcement (yeah, with a capital A apparently).
THIS is that big announcement that would bring more stability to bitcoin? A self proclaimed "bitcoin foundation" that on its own decides how to best help bitcoin?
To me, this just looks like a lot of e-peening by a bunch of people who on their own have become too invested in bitcoin and who are in effect decentralizing it by pulling to much attention and too much involvement onto themselves, thereby hindering the openness and freedom of bitcoin.
Why does something that is supposed to be uncontrolled and decentralized need a centralized body to control anything? What if the Bitcoin Foundation starts doing or saying things that a lot of bitcoin users feel is harmful to bitcoin? Can we replace the people in bitcoin foundation?

It will give the "outside world" (filled with evil bankers, corporations and goverments) a centralized point from which to influence bitcoin. (And whoever thinks they will influence it in a direction that is good for bitcoin is just being naive) They can now just talk to THE "Bitcoin Foundation", which happens to also include the major developers, the ones controlling the trademarks, etc.
Under the flag of "not for profit" bitcoin seems to get commercialized. Sad
If you are worried about the direction of the Bitcoin Foundation and the members of the board you should join the foundation and let your vote count.

If you read my post, you will see that that is only *one* of my concerns. I think the concept of a bitcoin foundation is against what bitcoin stands for, and me joining the foundation doesn't solve that.
legendary
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VIS ET LIBERTAS
September 27, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
#61
I'm ambivalent about this project. The gap between the individual and the business memberships is completely out of proportion. Are we now heading for a two-tier bitcoin community?  Embarrassed
Jan
legendary
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September 27, 2012, 09:00:56 AM
#60

Q: Is this the infamous September Announcement?

Yes.

So the bitcoin foundation (which had nothing to do with founding bitcoin and created itself without involvement from the bitcoin community or its creator) gets a start as some incredibly overhyped Announcement (yeah, with a capital A apparently).
THIS is that big announcement that would bring more stability to bitcoin? A self proclaimed "bitcoin foundation" that on its own decides how to best help bitcoin?
To me, this just looks like a lot of e-peening by a bunch of people who on their own have become too invested in bitcoin and who are in effect decentralizing it by pulling to much attention and too much involvement onto themselves, thereby hindering the openness and freedom of bitcoin.
Why does something that is supposed to be uncontrolled and decentralized need a centralized body to control anything? What if the Bitcoin Foundation starts doing or saying things that a lot of bitcoin users feel is harmful to bitcoin? Can we replace the people in bitcoin foundation?

It will give the "outside world" (filled with evil bankers, corporations and goverments) a centralized point from which to influence bitcoin. (And whoever thinks they will influence it in a direction that is good for bitcoin is just being naive) They can now just talk to THE "Bitcoin Foundation", which happens to also include the major developers, the ones controlling the trademarks, etc.
Under the flag of "not for profit" bitcoin seems to get commercialized. Sad
If you are worried about the direction of the Bitcoin Foundation and the members of the board you should join the foundation and let your vote count.
legendary
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Hello!
September 27, 2012, 08:58:53 AM
#59
Debating to sign up or not.
hero member
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Wat
September 27, 2012, 08:58:08 AM
#58
The industry pricing suggests that it is intended for "bitcoin industry", rather than "industry that happens to accept payment in bitcoin".  Considering the structure of the organization, the distinction seems like a reasonable one to make.
where do pools fit in this?
If mining is not a basic "industry" of Bitcoin - what is?
pools support the bulk of miners and thus do most of the verification of the transactions on the Bitcoin network - for all the Bitcoin users
0fee pools will have 0 chance of attaining silver membership - even most pools with fees run on margins that do not allow one off payments of 500BTC

I would like to be able to sign my registered business up as a corporate member, but simply cannot afford to.

Graeme Tee
Ozcoin pooled Mining Pty Ltd
ACN: 152 509 272



I think they should have had a mining rep on the board of governors and you would get my vote  Smiley
vip
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September 27, 2012, 08:51:24 AM
#57
The industry pricing suggests that it is intended for "bitcoin industry", rather than "industry that happens to accept payment in bitcoin".  Considering the structure of the organization, the distinction seems like a reasonable one to make.
where do pools fit in this?
If mining is not a basic "industry" of Bitcoin - what is?
pools support the bulk of miners and thus do most of the verification of the transactions on the Bitcoin network - for all the Bitcoin users
0fee pools will have 0 chance of attaining silver membership - even most pools with fees run on margins that do not allow one off payments of 500BTC

I would like to be able to sign my registered business up as a corporate member, but simply cannot afford to.

Graeme Tee
Ozcoin pooled Mining Pty Ltd
ACN: 152 509 272
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
Lead Core BitKitty Developer
September 27, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
#56

Q: Is this the infamous September Announcement?

Yes.

So the bitcoin foundation (which had nothing to do with founding bitcoin and created itself without involvement from the bitcoin community or its creator) gets a start as some incredibly overhyped Announcement (yeah, with a capital A apparently).
THIS is that big announcement that would bring more stability to bitcoin? A self proclaimed "bitcoin foundation" that on its own decides how to best help bitcoin?
To me, this just looks like a lot of e-peening by a bunch of people who on their own have become too invested in bitcoin and who are in effect decentralizing it by pulling to much attention and too much involvement onto themselves, thereby hindering the openness and freedom of bitcoin.
Why does something that is supposed to be uncontrolled and decentralized need a centralized body to control anything? What if the Bitcoin Foundation starts doing or saying things that a lot of bitcoin users feel is harmful to bitcoin? Can we replace the people in bitcoin foundation?

It will give the "outside world" (filled with evil bankers, corporations and goverments) a centralized point from which to influence bitcoin. (And whoever thinks they will influence it in a direction that is good for bitcoin is just being naive) They can now just talk to THE "Bitcoin Foundation", which happens to also include the major developers, the ones controlling the trademarks, etc.
Under the flag of "not for profit" bitcoin seems to get commercialized. Sad
hero member
Activity: 530
Merit: 500
September 27, 2012, 08:45:53 AM
#55
It also worries me that you need to give away your anonymity to support this project.
Where will this precious data end up when shit hits the fan?
newbie
Activity: 16
Merit: 0
September 27, 2012, 08:42:05 AM
#54
How comes the bitcoin logo is nowheere to be seen on that webiste, you know the BTC

Hopefully coz they realise it sucks
hero member
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September 27, 2012, 08:39:22 AM
#53
Thank you. This is a great milestone for us.

+1

Gavin, great work. In the interest of transparency, you might want to add in your OP that one of the uses of donations is to pay for your full time salary as a bitcoin developer. That in itself deserves credit and goes to show the dedication of the board members so far.

+1 to Mark for the first platinum membership too.
+1 Roger Ver has announced a significant donation to the Foundation as a way to get our budget launched
full member
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September 27, 2012, 08:35:08 AM
#52
Wow, great news.

How comes the bitcoin logo is nowheere to be seen on that webiste, you know the BTC
Maybe they will standartize it at first?
legendary
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September 27, 2012, 08:34:01 AM
#51
Thank you, thank you, thank you!  This is fantastic news and I'm happy to enthusiastically support this.  I'm super excited about the foundation.
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