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legendary
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September 27, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
These are three problems that I see:

1. The "to be or not to be"-issue:

Is it better to have such an entity to promote and advocate bitcoin in public and before lawmakers and journalists? Or should we better stay an anonymous mass without a "face" to stay strong and make the public image not dependant of success or faliure of a single entity (you could call it the "Julian Assange Effect". If I say "we" I mean the community but also respect the decisions and judgement of the members of the board of Bitcoin Foundation over their foundation.

2. The "influence"-issue:

If we want such an entity, how can we keep transparency and public participation opportunities as clear and accessible as possible? Who's got the say?
Do we want a divergence of voting power in contrast to the total userbase in favour of a certain interest group like business owners (2 votes representing businesses that make up less than 5% (data guessed) of the total userbase, while only giving also 2 votes to "representatives" of the remaining 95% of the userbase) ?

3. The "perception"-issue

Some posts in this thread seem to view the Bitcoin Foundation already as a "bitcoin government", combining major powers over the source code and financial power in form of two big (if not biggest in terms of turn around) companies in the bitcoin economy. These worries are justified in my oppinion till it is clear how the foundation works, what powers it really has and what perception of it remains in the community and public oppinion.
I would nevertheless refrain from overestimating any such influence unless it is excerted over decisions concerning the source code that sway from the objective best for the entire current and potential future userbase.

I would therefore like to suggest for the core developers to think over their active role in the board, to prevent any influence over their judgements concerning their work on the source code and reference client and instead consider an advisary role to the board.

I also endorse the fund to pay Gavin's (and all core dev's) salary from voluntary donations made by Foundation members. This way all donors and donations are transparent.
full member
Activity: 222
Merit: 100
September 27, 2012, 02:58:58 PM

Bitcoin doesn't need a government.

True. But people do. Why don't you try a nice weekend in somalia? Or if you are a hardcore fan of 100% government, why not a lovely trip to north korea? It is the balance that matters. Maybe someday, government needs bitcoin?  Tongue
The foundation is only the logic step to connect to the "non geek" part of the world, which is still the biggest part of society.
legendary
Activity: 1458
Merit: 1006
September 27, 2012, 02:57:42 PM

I'm just wondering what the procedure is for that final seat.

Ahh, my bad. It's should be in the bylaws.

Seems there wasn't quite enough days in September. (Rush job!)  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1100
September 27, 2012, 02:56:34 PM
This is just legal approval to give developers salaries and raise funding for those salaries.

Yep, we are desperately in need of the most basic things...  like paying the salary of the lead developer.

Bitcoin is big enough that we can all get together and support things like that, I hope.

sr. member
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Merit: 250
I heart thebaron
September 27, 2012, 02:53:18 PM
Where do I sign up to become President of this 'foundation' ?
member
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Max Kaye
September 27, 2012, 02:53:03 PM
The only thing required to keep the Bitcoin project community driven is the knowledge that the network has the power.

If the Foundation becomes evil they can no more change Bitcoin than any of us, as long as we remain mindful and informed. Keep electing prominent and trusted members of the Bitcoin community and that should not happen. (Even if it does, the Bitcoin network can happily work quite well without the mainline client)

Does anyone know who exactly constitutes the "Founding member class", and if this group is already fully set?

Looking forward to the bylaws being posted.

And I'd like to voice my support of some automatic confirmation.

I'm now a lifetime member, too. Glad to see this happening.
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
September 27, 2012, 02:42:23 PM
This is just legal approval to give developers salaries and raise funding for those salaries.

"Yay, we are recognized by the government to do business with certain tax privileges, yay! Bitcoin needs government approval to succeed!"

That's all I see here. Congrats.

Now, if you are trying to be the central democratic process for the Bitcoin network protocol, go fuck yourselves. Seriously, die. We don't need your authority or approval.

Bitcoin doesn't need a government. It doesn't need corporate sponsorship. It just needs people that value them. Central authority ruins Bitcoin's value.
administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
September 27, 2012, 02:40:49 PM
In general, whoever founds an organization gets to make the rules.

Starting off with a board of sane and competent people seems obviously better starting off with people fighting for the seats.

I'm not disputing that... Two seats are for people voted in by individual members, two are for people voted in by corporate members, and one is the "founder" seat. I'm just wondering what the procedure is for that final seat.
legendary
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Merit: 1010
Newbie
September 27, 2012, 02:34:53 PM
Excellent work on this to all involved.

I hope this was sarcasm...
full member
Activity: 150
Merit: 108
September 27, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
Excellent work on this to all involved.
legendary
Activity: 1458
Merit: 1006
September 27, 2012, 02:26:19 PM
How is the Founder board seat given away?

In general, whoever founds an organization gets to make the rules.

Starting off with a board of sane and competent people seems obviously better than starting off with people fighting for the seats.

Anyone who is - for some reason or another - opposed to the foundation, their rules, their policies,
their board, their members, their results, their lack of results, etc. etc. etc. is free to start their own advocacy group.

Everything is as it should be.
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1001
Revolutionizing Brokerage of Personal Data
September 27, 2012, 02:16:59 PM
it would be nice to have email confirmations up soon.

also i would like to point out that that there should be a kind of non-profit umbrella organisation we as non-profit (bitocoin-austria) could join i was hoping the foundation would be something like that, but for us 500 btc is not really feasable. there are lots of people working hard to improve the bitcoin ecosystem for free and for ideological reasons and they are neither "early adopters" nor bitcoin businesses.

+1

Nevertheless, this foundation is definitely a step in the right direction and I fully support it!

Bitcoin is in dire need of legitimate organizations backing it, to get rid of the questionable image propagated by countless bad press articles.
legendary
Activity: 1500
Merit: 1022
I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project.
September 27, 2012, 02:12:35 PM
Q: The Foundation is a corporation, and corporations (especially US corporations) are evil.

OK. So don't join-- go form your own non-corporate non-evil organization, or just ignore the Foundation and do whatever you think is right.

Saving this for posterity.
hero member
Activity: 668
Merit: 501
September 27, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
it would be nice to have email confirmations up soon.

also i would like to point out that that there should be a kind of non-profit umbrella organisation we as non-profit (bitocoin-austria) could join i was hoping the foundation would be something like that, but for us 500 btc is not really feasable. there are lots of people working hard to improve the bitcoin ecosystem for free and for ideological reasons and they are neither "early adopters" nor bitcoin businesses.
legendary
Activity: 1500
Merit: 1022
I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project.
September 27, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

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vip
Activity: 1052
Merit: 1155
September 27, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
People who enforce victimless crime laws are the criminal agressors and need to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

Still, since the foundation is a legal entity it needs to respect the laws even if they are unfounded.

Now the world knows why I am not on the board.  Smiley

I wanted to ask what you did, but then I remembered Google. First thought: Not THAT's a business that bombed.  Cheesy

In reality,  I ran for California state assembly in 2000 as a Libertarian / Voluntarist.
I said enough to upset the feds so much that I became the only person in the USA to be prosecuted for selling a legal product
that was also being sold by hundreds of other companies across the USA including http://www.cabelas.com/
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/verPlea.htm
There is no freedom of speech.
This is why the world needs Bitcoin, and this is why I support bitcoinfoundation.org
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
September 27, 2012, 01:48:55 PM
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
People who enforce victimless crime laws are the criminal agressors and need to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

Still, since the foundation is a legal entity it needs to respect the laws even if they are unfounded.

Now the world knows why I am not on the board.  Smiley

Nice video. Best of luck to you and the (people of the) US. And bitcoins for that matter.

I would hate to see this leap in freedom of what people can do with their money to be destroyed or undermined.
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
September 27, 2012, 01:42:31 PM
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
People who enforce victimless crime laws are the criminal agressors and need to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

Still, since the foundation is a legal entity it needs to respect the laws even if they are unfounded.

Now the world knows why I am not on the board.  Smiley

I wanted to ask what you did, but then I remembered Google. First thought: Not THAT's a business that bombed.  Cheesy
vip
Activity: 1052
Merit: 1155
September 27, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
People who enforce victimless crime laws are the criminal agressors and need to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

Still, since the foundation is a legal entity it needs to respect the laws even if they are unfounded.

Now the world knows why I am not on the board.  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
September 27, 2012, 01:37:32 PM
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
People who enforce victimless crime laws are the criminal agressors and need to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

Still, since the foundation is a legal entity it needs to respect the laws even if they are unfounded.
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