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Quote from: EhVedadoOAnonimato on September 27, 2012, 10:06:01 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on September 27, 2012, 09:56:46 AM

They have something on their web page about disallowing felons. So I guess that means no Silkroad, no BFL.

Felons under whose definition?
SR so far are no criminals under any serious objective Ethics, for example.

And to reject "felons" (under whichever definition), they need to require people to identify themselves. That's already something that I consider that goes against bitcoin principles. I wouldn't expect that of Jon Matonis, for example, who proudly supports financial privacy. And look who's on the board... (PS: I haven't verified yet if they really block anonymous memberships, I'm saying this based on what was said on this topic)

As a convicted felon, I think it is important to distinguish between:
Malum in se
vs
Malum prohibitum

If there is no victim, there is no crime.
People who enforce victimless crime laws are the criminal agressors and need to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

BitPay Business Solutions

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I will talk to Peter tonight about it. we can have the donations and emails automated in less than 5 minutes.

scomil

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Quote from: BitPay Business Solutions on September 27, 2012, 12:58:57 PM

Quote from: px403 on September 27, 2012, 12:39:42 PM

Has anyone gotten notification email after joining? I signed up and sent in the coins a couple hours ago, but haven't seen anything in my email.

It sounds like we should automate this for them.

Agree, both email and payment.

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Quote from: px403 on September 27, 2012, 12:39:42 PM

Has anyone gotten notification email after joining? I signed up and sent in the coins a couple hours ago, but haven't seen anything in my email.

It sounds like we should automate this for them.

kjj

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Quote from: theymos on September 27, 2012, 12:23:55 PM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 AM

I suggest two seats just for mining, with voting decided in the coinbase rather than creating a third category of membership.

I disagree strongly with this. Miners perform work for the network, but their interests are not really important. Every miner can be replaced if someone figures out how to do mining more efficiently, and this is good.

I think that most miners would disagree with you on that. And just because no one miner is special doesn't mean that mining as a whole doesn't deserve our attention.

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If a lifetime member were to be revealed as a scammer, would they be stripped of their membership?

kjj

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Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 12:17:44 PM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 12:06:40 PM

Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 11:47:17 AM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 AM

I suggest two seats just for mining, with voting decided in the coinbase rather than creating a third category of membership.

Having two miners seats will give opportunity to two biggest pools to become even bigger, this is clearly a step in wrong direction.

Huh?

Members that would occupy mining seats will protect interest of biggest mining pools, e.g. they will fight promotion of p2pool.

I find it amusing, and a bit disturbing, that you think that p2pool is fightable.

kjj

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Quote from: jgarzik on September 27, 2012, 12:20:10 PM

1) My post never claimed that it was possible for copyright to be "taken"

I know. I was agreeing with, and extending, your reply.

According to github, huge swaths of the bitcoin code are still from Satoshi, and he seems unlikely to break seclusion just to assign his rights.

px403

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Has anyone gotten notification email after joining? I signed up and sent in the coins a couple hours ago, but haven't seen anything in my email.

jgarzik

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Quote from: Graet on September 27, 2012, 12:33:52 PM

most of the devs already support p2pool

Yep.

General opinions on IRC and "in the hallway" (at conferences) are that p2pool is preferred over pools, because p2pool is decentralized. We appreciate pool operators -- bitcoin wouldn't be where it is without them -- but those tend to be centralized operations where the pool operator is in a much greater position of power over the network than most other users. Recall that Deepbit had over 50% network power, at recent times in bitcoin's history.

The pool operators of the largest pools, I'd say, are even more powerful than Gavin or any other dev. We have to beg and plead, just to get things like P2SH deployed.

p2pool is decentralized and does not place huge amounts of power into any one hand. If you mine... please try p2pool!

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Quote from: Graet on September 27, 2012, 12:33:52 PM

Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 12:17:44 PM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 12:06:40 PM

Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 11:47:17 AM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 AM

I suggest two seats just for mining, with voting decided in the coinbase rather than creating a third category of membership.

Having two miners seats will give opportunity to two biggest pools to become even bigger, this is clearly a step in wrong direction.

Huh?

Members that would occupy mining seats will protect interest of biggest mining pools, e.g. they will fight promotion of p2pool.

huh?
Is it the foundations goal to promote p2pool or Bitcoin?
most of the devs already support p2pool
I don't see your point
and who said a p2pool rep couldn't be a "pools/miners" rep...
I actually recommended p2pool to someone the other day - and I'm a pool operator!!!!!!

can we just keep to reality please?

It might come as a huge surprise to ~~most~~ some people but pool ops aren't all evil or even bad...

As someone who organizes and centralizes things, you're "government" in the eyes of the eternally paranoid. That makes you evil automatically.

Graet

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Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 12:17:44 PM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 12:06:40 PM

Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 11:47:17 AM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 AM

I suggest two seats just for mining, with voting decided in the coinbase rather than creating a third category of membership.

Having two miners seats will give opportunity to two biggest pools to become even bigger, this is clearly a step in wrong direction.

Huh?

Members that would occupy mining seats will protect interest of biggest mining pools, e.g. they will fight promotion of p2pool.

huh?
Is it the foundations goal to promote p2pool or Bitcoin?
most of the devs already support p2pool
I don't see your point
and who said a p2pool rep couldn't be a "pools/miners" rep...
I actually recommended p2pool to someone the other day - and I'm a pool operator!!!!!!

can we just keep to reality please?

It might come as a huge surprise to ~~most~~ some people but pool ops aren't all evil or even bad...

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Quote from: boonies4u on September 27, 2012, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on September 27, 2012, 12:13:16 PM

Quote from: EhVedadoOAnonimato on September 27, 2012, 11:59:06 AM

Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on September 27, 2012, 11:50:56 AM

I'ts not difficult to list someone as a founding member even if they "disappeared"

It's not difficult, it's just a lie. As the name "Bitcoin Foundation" itself, since you're not the foundation of Bitcoin.

Whats a lie?

Satoshi is a member of the foundation because he is the creator of Bitcoin.

Just because he "disappeared" doesn't mean he can't be member in absentee.

In fact, the bylaws outline that if Satoshi returns how he will claim his seat.

Is this wishful thinking? Or covering your asses?

I'm surprised you put him in the bylaws, let alone saved a seat for him. Unless your guys know something we don't? Wink

You can see for youself when the bylaws are posted in a few days.

We just felt Satoshi needed to be the founder of the foundation and since he is missing, this was the best we can do.

Hopefully if he resurfaces in the future, he can identify himself and continue his work using the foundation.

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Quote from: EhVedadoOAnonimato on September 27, 2012, 11:06:41 AM

If they invite you, would you accept being part of it?

Maybe, but I'm not really qualified. I'm only a 21-year-old college student.

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 AM

I suggest two seats just for mining, with voting decided in the coinbase rather than creating a third category of membership.

I disagree strongly with this. Miners perform work for the network, but their interests are not really important. Every miner can be replaced if someone figures out how to do mining more efficiently, and this is good.

kiba

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Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 12:17:44 PM

Members that would occupy mining seats will protect interest of biggest mining pools, e.g. they will fight promotion of p2pool.

Individuals miners have more power than the pool operators. They can switch to whatever pools they want and the pool operators can't stop them.

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Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: jgarzik on September 27, 2012, 11:41:19 AM

Quote from: MatthewLM on September 27, 2012, 09:24:40 AM

I'm guessing the satoshi client or whatever people call it these days will now be copyrighted under the bitcoin Foundation? The Foundation is essentially the vehicle for the development of that client?

Bitcoin Foundation != dev team

While I hope the Bitcoin Foundation will address critical immediate needs -- like paying Gavin to work on bitcoin -- fiddling with the copyrights does not seem within the claimed Linux Foundation model. The Linux kernel is copyrighted by the individual authors, not by the Linux Foundation. It seems logical the code would stay the same.

After all, the code is not just the dev team, even... it is every contributor. And every code contributor wrote has written more than a couple lines of code has a copyright claim.

Full disclosure: yes, I joined the foundation as a lifetime member.

This is a pretty common misunderstanding of copyright law. Copyright can't be taken, it can only be given. Every fragment of every line of code has an author, and that author holds the copyright on that part (or their employer, for example, if they've made such an agreement). Some developers could assign their copyright to the foundation if they wanted to, but the foundation can't just take it. It also isn't available for a vote, for example, if the devs held a vote on assigning the rights to the foundation, their vote wouldn't be binding on anyone.

1) My post never claimed that it was possible for copyright to be "taken"

2) Existing practice and precedent on copyright is that just a line or two (i.e. one-line bug fix) might not be copyrightable. i.e. lawyers continue to disagree, but he-copyrights-just-that-one-line is not taken very seriously even by those lawyers who are paid to defend copyright.

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Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on September 27, 2012, 12:13:16 PM

Quote from: EhVedadoOAnonimato on September 27, 2012, 11:59:06 AM

Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on September 27, 2012, 11:50:56 AM

I'ts not difficult to list someone as a founding member even if they "disappeared"

It's not difficult, it's just a lie. As the name "Bitcoin Foundation" itself, since you're not the foundation of Bitcoin.

Whats a lie?

Satoshi is a member of the foundation because he is the creator of Bitcoin.

Just because he "disappeared" doesn't mean he can't be member in absentee.

In fact, the bylaws outline that if Satoshi returns how he will claim his seat.

Is this wishful thinking? Or covering your asses?

I'm surprised you put him in the bylaws, let alone saved a seat for him. Unless your guys know something we don't? Wink

Serith

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Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 12:06:40 PM

Quote from: Serith on September 27, 2012, 11:47:17 AM

Quote from: kjj on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 AM

I suggest two seats just for mining, with voting decided in the coinbase rather than creating a third category of membership.

Having two miners seats will give opportunity to two biggest pools to become even bigger, this is clearly a step in wrong direction.

Huh?

Members that would occupy mining seats will protect interest of biggest mining pools, e.g. they will fight promotion of p2pool.

scomil

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Good job. Great idea. I have complete trust in the board with it's current composition and it feels good that we'll have a dedicated core team of funded developers that can focus full time on building this economy. Looking forward to see this develop.

Roger & Mark - We're all grateful for your donations.

I have signed up for 1 years membership. (Signup should be smoother - email confirmation, QR code etc)

Best of luck.

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Quote from: EhVedadoOAnonimato on September 27, 2012, 11:59:06 AM

Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on September 27, 2012, 11:50:56 AM

I'ts not difficult to list someone as a founding member even if they "disappeared"

It's not difficult, it's just a lie. As the name "Bitcoin Foundation" itself, since you're not the foundation of Bitcoin.

Whats a lie?

Satoshi is a member of the foundation because he is the creator of Bitcoin.

Just because he "disappeared" doesn't mean he can't be member in absentee.

In fact, the bylaws outline that if Satoshi returns how he will claim his seat.

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