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Yes, at 15,000€ x400GH/s. Not saying is not worth it, but all this pre-order stuff is very tiresome. When the potential profit is huge, then its ok to take a gamble. But when the price is adjusted to its expected ROI (as Avalon did with batch #3, and as I assume punin is doing by selling the "August delivery" at double the price of the "October delivery"), IMO the only way to go is immediate delivery (less than 7 days). Otherwise, we know how the story unfolds: a two weeks delay already throws your ROI expectations to the garbage bin.

Don't forget 24% VAT making it 18600€  Wink

Yep, it's a lot of moolah, dough, bones, etc, but theoretically it should pay for itself in a month unless the unfortunate happens and when you get it difficulty goes to the moon - or before you get it. Also if they do make their August delivery you would have 400 Gh/s before KnCMiner delivers their units.

Bitfury said it many times in Russian thread: guys get real ASAP! No one miner is going to pay for itself neither in month nor two months. Nobody will sell it that cheap.
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Yes, at 15,000€ x400GH/s. Not saying is not worth it, but all this pre-order stuff is very tiresome. When the potential profit is huge, then its ok to take a gamble. But when the price is adjusted to its expected ROI (as Avalon did with batch #3, and as I assume punin is doing by selling the "August delivery" at double the price of the "October delivery"), IMO the only way to go is immediate delivery (less than 7 days). Otherwise, we know how the story unfolds: a two weeks delay already throws your ROI expectations to the garbage bin.

Don't forget 24% VAT making it 18600€  Wink

Yep, it's a lot of moolah, dough, bones, etc, but theoretically it should pay for itself in a month unless the unfortunate happens and when you get it difficulty goes to the moon - or before you get it. Also if they do make their August delivery you would have 400 Gh/s before KnCMiner delivers their units.

The problem is "theoretically". When you buy a machine TODAY that you will receive TOMORROW, then you can estimate your ROI and take your decision, as per ASICMiner offer. So, if your 400GH/s unit was to arrive tomorrow, you could say "I would achieve ROI in 30 days at constant difficulty, that means that I'll b/e (in BTC) for sure and I'll probably have a nice ROI", and you buy.

When the ROI would be one month "at current and constant difficulty", but the delivery is *expected* for August, then you're again repeating the same old pre-order pattern. You buy because you *hope* to receive the machine in the advertised timeframe, and then you have to face delay after delay.

Let's remember that NO ASIC VENDOR has EVER honored a deadline, apart from ASICMiner - but that's different, because they had the products in stock. Let's say that no pre-order ASIC vendor has EVER honored a single deadline.

We have a very good example of how the "unit is priced higher because ROI expectation is higher" strategy played out. Avalon batch #3. Yeah, if we had received the unit when it was supposed to arrive (early May), the price was spot on. But 3/4 weeks later, it was already a bad investment for its customers.

This is quite similar: if the unit really arrives in August, then 15,000€ is a fair price. But, what if it arrives in mid September?

No CC payment allowed, so no way to process a chargeback. You need to have faith on the vendor's honesty if you request a refund.

All this is kind of fucked up for me, all this "gambling" is getting very tiresome, at the end most of miners are fucked and losing money.
legendary
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Yes, at 15,000€ x400GH/s. Not saying is not worth it, but all this pre-order stuff is very tiresome. When the potential profit is huge, then its ok to take a gamble. But when the price is adjusted to its expected ROI (as Avalon did with batch #3, and as I assume punin is doing by selling the "August delivery" at double the price of the "October delivery"), IMO the only way to go is immediate delivery (less than 7 days). Otherwise, we know how the story unfolds: a two weeks delay already throws your ROI expectations to the garbage bin.

Don't forget 24% VAT making it 18600€  Wink

Yep, it's a lot of moolah, dough, bones, etc, but theoretically it should pay for itself in a month unless the unfortunate happens and when you get it difficulty goes to the moon - or before you get it. Also if they do make their August delivery you would have 400 Gh/s before KnCMiner delivers their units.
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The law of the universe!

Yes, at 15,000€ x400GH/s. Not saying is not worth it, but all this pre-order stuff is very tiresome. When the potential profit is huge, then its ok to take a gamble. But when the price is adjusted to its expected ROI (as Avalon did with batch #3, and as I assume punin is doing by selling the "August delivery" at double the price of the "October delivery"), IMO the only way to go is immediate delivery (less than 7 days). Otherwise, we know how the story unfolds: a two weeks delay already throws your ROI expectations to the garbage bin.

Don't forget 24% VAT making it 18600€  Wink
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Some strange thing with prices.

Why should one pay 7500 EUR for 400GH Full Kit in October if he can buy Starter Kit for 1000EUR + 15 extension boards x 350 EUR each = 6250 EUR in October?
So you can get 400GH for 6250 EUR instead of 7500 EUR, moreover you don't need to pay it one time if you are in a shortage of those euros.

Did I miss something?

You are right, its kind of pricing mistake with different delivery dates.

Yes, looks like this. And also you can start mining with Starter Kit in August, then buy extension boards in October. And Full Kit is only available in October. No reason to buy it.


Not true. Full kit is available for August delivery too.
Yes at 15000 eur. Why dont you read adano's post and price difference questions?
legendary
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Some strange thing with prices.

Why should one pay 7500 EUR for 400GH Full Kit in October if he can buy Starter Kit for 1000EUR + 15 extension boards x 350 EUR each = 6250 EUR in October?
So you can get 400GH for 6250 EUR instead of 7500 EUR, moreover you don't need to pay it one time if you are in a shortage of those euros.

Did I miss something?

You are right, its kind of pricing mistake with different delivery dates.

Yes, looks like this. And also you can start mining with Starter Kit in August, then buy extension boards in October. And Full Kit is only available in October. No reason to buy it.


Not true. Full kit is available for August delivery too.

Yes, at 15,000€ x400GH/s. Not saying is not worth it, but all this pre-order stuff is very tiresome. When the potential profit is huge, then its ok to take a gamble. But when the price is adjusted to its expected ROI (as Avalon did with batch #3, and as I assume punin is doing by selling the "August delivery" at double the price of the "October delivery"), IMO the only way to go is immediate delivery (less than 7 days). Otherwise, we know how the story unfolds: a two weeks delay already throws your ROI expectations to the garbage bin.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1080
Some strange thing with prices.

Why should one pay 7500 EUR for 400GH Full Kit in October if he can buy Starter Kit for 1000EUR + 15 extension boards x 350 EUR each = 6250 EUR in October?
So you can get 400GH for 6250 EUR instead of 7500 EUR, moreover you don't need to pay it one time if you are in a shortage of those euros.

Did I miss something?

You are right, its kind of pricing mistake with different delivery dates.

Yes, looks like this. And also you can start mining with Starter Kit in August, then buy extension boards in October. And Full Kit is only available in October. No reason to buy it.


Not true. Full kit is available for August delivery too.
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Activity: 108
Merit: 10
Some strange thing with prices.

Why should one pay 7500 EUR for 400GH Full Kit in October if he can buy Starter Kit for 1000EUR + 15 extension boards x 350 EUR each = 6250 EUR in October?
So you can get 400GH for 6250 EUR instead of 7500 EUR, moreover you don't need to pay it one time if you are in a shortage of those euros.

Did I miss something?

You are right, its kind of pricing mistake with different delivery dates.

Yes, looks like this. And also you can start mining with Starter Kit in August, then buy extension boards in October. And Full Kit is only available in October. No reason to buy it.
sr. member
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Im sorry to say.. but I was this close to ordering this.. but then you add VAT afterwards.. i HATE that Sad another 24% on the price..

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BTC Mining Hardware, Trading and more
unfortunatly also no reservations are possible Sad
sr. member
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Some strange thing with prices.

Why should one pay 7500 EUR for 400GH Full Kit in October if he can buy Starter Kit for 1000EUR + 15 extension boards x 350 EUR each = 6250 EUR in October?
So you can get 400GH for 6250 EUR instead of 7500 EUR, moreover you don't need to pay it one time if you are in a shortage of those euros.

Did I miss something?

You are right, its kind of pricing mistake with different delivery dates.
legendary
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We have opened a site for sales of Bitfury ASIC Chips and mining devices based on them.

We're very sorry, but the delivery is not yet available for customers outside Europe. We are working to serve other markets as soon as possible.

We are offering chips on cut-tape and reel and devices identical to the 100TH mine boards, that c-scape and intron designed.

Specifications can be found on the site. All orders are refundable 100% in EUR nominated price until shipped.

The site for sales is open now.


When will you show us a working miner?
member
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Some strange thing with prices.

Why should one pay 7500 EUR for 400GH Full Kit in October if he can buy Starter Kit for 1000EUR + 15 extension boards x 350 EUR each = 6250 EUR in October?
So you can get 400GH for 6250 EUR instead of 7500 EUR, moreover you don't need to pay it one time if you are in a shortage of those euros.

Did I miss something?
hero member
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BTC Mining Hardware, Trading and more
wow this sounds nice!
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{reserved} (no profound input at this time)
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Thanks a lot for your profound insight on the topic. I learned a lot today. Please keep these helpful comments coming.

rather than commenting on my post, perhaps you should remain silent...I have my reasons for my post, that do not include you...
please keep your childish comments to yourself...and let the thread progress

and lets not forget your wonderful posting on another thread :-
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Is there a source of technical details?

I guess you can read the BitFury Sample Chips thread

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sr. member
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Is there a source of technical details?
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I am very interested in your products. Great to hear Bitfury supports this project.
How sure are you about the August delivery of the Complete kit ? I really need to know this before ordering.
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