ANN: BITMAIN has Tested Its 28nm Bitcoin Mining Chip BM1382 - page 50.

littleai

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Quote from: dropt on July 01, 2014, 11:13:47 AM

Quote from: littleai on July 01, 2014, 11:06:21 AM

Quote from: CroverNo01 on July 01, 2014, 10:01:01 AM

At $1000 Tax value at UK customs - Not worth me even making an order anymore - The higher you tax an item harder it is to pass customs.

Bitmain should allow the buyer to have some input on the value at least for the EU or UK!!

dude,

I am Ants' fan, less than $1000, not equal to $1000...have you bought Antminers?
Suspected shell from other competitors...

MOQ is 2 units and EU gets raped with VAT.

My experience, you can order one in one order if you only need one unit, they will confirm your order manually.

dropt

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Quote from: littleai on July 01, 2014, 11:06:21 AM

Quote from: CroverNo01 on July 01, 2014, 10:01:01 AM

At $1000 Tax value at UK customs - Not worth me even making an order anymore - The higher you tax an item harder it is to pass customs.

Bitmain should allow the buyer to have some input on the value at least for the EU or UK!!

dude,

I am Ants' fan, less than $1000, not equal to $1000...have you bought Antminers?
Suspected shell from other competitors...

MOQ is 2 units and EU gets raped with VAT.

littleai

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Quote from: CroverNo01 on July 01, 2014, 10:01:01 AM

At $1000 Tax value at UK customs - Not worth me even making an order anymore - The higher you tax an item harder it is to pass customs.

Bitmain should allow the buyer to have some input on the value at least for the EU or UK!!

dude,

I am Ants' fan, less than $1000, not equal to $1000...have you bought Antminers?
Suspected shell from other competitors...

oskuro

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750w?

S3 = 366w

yslyung

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did anyone receive coupons ? will there be any ?

denniscdunbar

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Quote from: MMXIV on June 30, 2014, 05:40:53 PM

We are raffling off two S3 units - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/raffle-mmxiv-is-raffling-off-two-antminer-s3s-sold-out-drawing-on-the-27th-671686

Good luck!

For those that want a chance to win 2 s3 AntMiners, come and get your raffle ticket. They will be shipping the hardware directly from Bitmain.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/raffle-mmxiv-is-raffling-off-two-antminer-s3s-sold-out-drawing-on-the-27th-671686.0

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Trademan1

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With the S3 orders now clearly stated on the website as not shipping until 10th - 20th, im considering that a preorder and im not ordering again until Bitmain go back to the tried and tested "In Stock, postage within 48hrs of payment".
Sorry, not gonna get bitten by the preorder frenzy buy in ever again. BTC price varies way too much and from now till the 20th worst case scenario is 2 difficulty increases.
Will definitely have a look at anything that pops up about the upgrade kits though. Im sure that any kit has to be classified as computer parts which should attract a lot less import taxes.

yslyung

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sorry to really bug here in the forum, may i ask from previous experiences, what is the miner declared as ?

mining computer ? bitcoin machine ? computer accessories ? personal computer ? etc etc ...

trying to figure it out & apply for import permit from customs to avoid any delays & future orders as i do intend to order 50 or more units very soon.

oskuro

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Quote from: ?? on ??

As many have said, the S3 won't get anywhere near a return on investment here in the UK, amongst many other places worldwide I'd imagine. Any news on the S1 upgrade kit?
Lower postage / declared value might just let us back in the game.......

why no ROI u say?.

I have already 2 corsair CX750M so i dont have to buy PSU, and i pay 0.13 € / kwh so that would be 25 € / month or so. Not bad i think

hendrigo

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Hi BITMAIN,
When is the sales open for upgrade from S1 to S3 ??
We need info for the installation and price please

yslyung

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Quote from: midyatspor on July 01, 2014, 09:51:57 AM

Quote from: yslyung on July 01, 2014, 09:47:23 AM

Quote from: Trademan1 on July 01, 2014, 09:34:39 AM

Thanks Bitmain for your reply,
So you are saying that each package will have its own invoice. If that's the case, then orders of 2 x S3s should still be each S3 packaged with its own single value on its customs note.

Edit, sorry, I would have thought that package type, or single packages need individual invoices, therefore separate values from any of the other 100 or so packages coming into customs.

Or are you stating that even if we order 100 separate packages to the single shipping address, all the values of the combined packages add up for import tax purposes?

regardless of packaging, Bitmain will still declare at full value as replied back to me .. my question is, how are they gonna declare it as the s3 are now sold in btc & not in usd value.

come on bitmain, i think you can do declare it at a lower value (cost/actual) & not full sales value !

can't recall thread but there were people who sent miners back to you for rma/repair and they were asked to declare it at usd10 !!!

why cant bitmain declare it at usd 50 to buyers then ?

customs clearance will be a real hassle by then for buyers. increased cost & lesser chance to ROI then how to sell more miners ?

i hope many will vote & request bitmain to look into customs declaration.

I think if Bitmain was a mom/pop type operation working from his/hers garage you could ask them to declare $10 but when you are running a multi-million dollar business I am not sure if they would take a chance.

somewhere in the forum i did read that bitmain asked customers to declare it at usd 10 value for rma/repair purposes !

not to say usd 10 but at least at a reasonable value such as usd 50-100 or 300 max.

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I just worked out if the invoice stated $1000, then here in Aus, we would have to pay an extra $204 or thereabouts, on top of whatever we paid in BTC.

Without the guarantee from Bitmain that the invoice will state lower than $1k, I probably wont order any time soon. Especially with the Bitmain price fixed in BTC, if BTC price goes up, we're screwed at the customs conversion.

Its not Bitmains fault, it looks like the UK and the AUS customs just enjoy raping anyone buying from overseas.

yslyung

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Quote from: CroverNo01 on July 01, 2014, 10:01:01 AM

At $1000 Tax value at UK customs - Not worth me even making an order anymore - The higher you tax an item harder it is to pass customs.

Bitmain should allow the buyer to have some input on the value at least for the EU or UK!!

yeah... well sorry for creating any trouble to BM but it is for loyal supporters (if i did, i'd like to apologize) but at least at a reasonable value such as usd 100 or 300 ... many countries gets taxed really heavy up to 30% or more.

oskuro

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i received 2 antminers S1 and never had to pay taxes. So if they send the separately, whats the problem? i dont think you will have to pay taxes(im from spain, europe)

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At $1000 Tax value at UK customs - Not worth me even making an order anymore - The higher you tax an item harder it is to pass customs.

Bitmain should allow the buyer to have some input on the value at least for the EU or UK!!

toxic1978

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Quote from: yslyung on July 01, 2014, 09:47:23 AM

Quote from: Trademan1 on July 01, 2014, 09:34:39 AM

Thanks Bitmain for your reply,
So you are saying that each package will have its own invoice. If that's the case, then orders of 2 x S3s should still be each S3 packaged with its own single value on its customs note.

Edit, sorry, I would have thought that package type, or single packages need individual invoices, therefore separate values from any of the other 100 or so packages coming into customs.

Or are you stating that even if we order 100 separate packages to the single shipping address, all the values of the combined packages add up for import tax purposes?

regardless of packaging, Bitmain will still declare at full value as replied back to me .. my question is, how are they gonna declare it as the s3 are now sold in btc & not in usd value.

come on bitmain, i think you can do declare it at a lower value (cost/actual) & not full sales value !

can't recall thread but there were people who sent miners back to you for rma/repair and they were asked to declare it at usd10 !!!

why cant bitmain declare it at usd 50 to buyers then ?

customs clearance will be a real hassle by then for buyers. increased cost & lesser chance to ROI then how to sell more miners ?

i hope many will vote & request bitmain to look into customs declaration.

I'm all for lower stated value, in the UK we get heavily taxed at customs and mining alone will never ROI because of the customs charge. But I do understand why they don't, for example if the item is lost or damaged then UPS/DHL will cover cost stated in invoice.
Plus I'm not sure on the legal implications of falsely declaring the value on items sent overseas.

But your right it sucks.

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Quote from: yslyung on July 01, 2014, 09:47:23 AM

Quote from: Trademan1 on July 01, 2014, 09:34:39 AM

Thanks Bitmain for your reply,
So you are saying that each package will have its own invoice. If that's the case, then orders of 2 x S3s should still be each S3 packaged with its own single value on its customs note.

Edit, sorry, I would have thought that package type, or single packages need individual invoices, therefore separate values from any of the other 100 or so packages coming into customs.

Or are you stating that even if we order 100 separate packages to the single shipping address, all the values of the combined packages add up for import tax purposes?

regardless of packaging, Bitmain will still declare at full value as replied back to me .. my question is, how are they gonna declare it as the s3 are now sold in btc & not in usd value.

come on bitmain, i think you can do declare it at a lower value (cost/actual) & not full sales value !

can't recall thread but there were people who sent miners back to you for rma/repair and they were asked to declare it at usd10 !!!

why cant bitmain declare it at usd 50 to buyers then ?

customs clearance will be a real hassle by then for buyers. increased cost & lesser chance to ROI then how to sell more miners ?

i hope many will vote & request bitmain to look into customs declaration.

I think if Bitmain was a mom/pop type operation working from his/hers garage you could ask them to declare $10 but when you are running a multi-million dollar business I am not sure if they would take a chance.

yslyung

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Quote from: Trademan1 on July 01, 2014, 09:34:39 AM

Thanks Bitmain for your reply,
So you are saying that each package will have its own invoice. If that's the case, then orders of 2 x S3s should still be each S3 packaged with its own single value on its customs note.

Edit, sorry, I would have thought that package type, or single packages need individual invoices, therefore separate values from any of the other 100 or so packages coming into customs.

Or are you stating that even if we order 100 separate packages to the single shipping address, all the values of the combined packages add up for import tax purposes?

regardless of packaging, Bitmain will still declare at full value as replied back to me .. my question is, how are they gonna declare it as the s3 are now sold in btc & not in usd value.

come on bitmain, i think you can do declare it at a lower value (cost/actual) & not full sales value !

can't recall thread but there were people who sent miners back to you for rma/repair and they were asked to declare it at usd10 !!!

why cant bitmain declare it at usd 50 to buyers then ?

customs clearance will be a real hassle by then for buyers. increased cost & lesser chance to ROI then how to sell more miners ?

i hope many will vote & request bitmain to look into customs declaration.

midyatspor

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Quote from: Trademan1 on July 01, 2014, 09:34:39 AM

Thanks Bitmain for your reply,
So you are saying that each package will have its own invoice. If that's the case, then orders of 2 x S3s should still be each S3 packaged with its own single value on its customs note.

Edit, sorry, I would have thought that package type, or single packages need individual invoices, therefore separate values from any of the other 100 or so packages coming into customs.

Or are you stating that even if we order 100 separate packages to the single shipping address, all the values of the combined packages add up for import tax purposes?

I think he is saying that you will get one invoice, not two invoices with two different invoice numbers.

Trademan1

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Thanks Bitmain for your reply,

Thankyou for answering my question and editing your post as I was editing my question. Much appreciated.

One last thing, I haven't had any problems yet, all ive had is questions asked that were hard to get an answer on this, your bitcointalk topic.
Also, your edited comment states that the current price of BTC for 2 x S3s is less than $1k, but this may not be the same by the 2 weeks when you actually ship the units. As your pricing is BTC locked, is there any chance you can drop the price by then to ensure the price is less than $1K at the shipping date.

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