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legendary
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imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

But Satoshi or Craig Wright how you want to call him said that "the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1611

So was designed from the start to be a form of stable money, Bitcoin SV will return Bitcoin to what it was supposed to be, from the start and at 0.1.

So the example about Henry Ford is irrelevant.


Its actually a great analogy.

Craig is claiming his car is a Ford Model T when in actuality under the hood its closer to a Toyota Corolla. If he wanted to recreate the Model T, he would have just cloned the Model T instead of including all the modernizations introduced in generations (builds) afterward.

To complete the analogy, modern Bitcoin (0.19) is more like a Ford Fusion sedan. It makes use of the latest innovations in the industry to deliver an advanced version of the original product, one that couldn't have been fathomable during Henry Ford's time.

If you want to be religious about it and say the Model T is the only true car, well have fun, but don't expect other people to follow.
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations

imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

even if craig is satoshi (for the sake of argument), nobody will follow him.

get over with this satoshi fetish, go find the person who taught satoshi how to use a computer and make a statue of him/her. even better find satoshi's father and lick his balls, you'll never know you might get a satoshi sperm or two..dig him from the grave if you must  Wink

But Satoshi or Craig Wright how you want to call him said that "the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1611

So was designed from the start to be a form of stable money, Bitcoin SV will return Bitcoin to what it was supposed to be, from the start and at 0.1.

So the example about Henry Ford is irrelevant.
legendary
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations

imagine Henry Ford, coming back from the grave telling Ford company that cars don't need AC/heater because that is not part of the original design..what cars need are bigger windows, actually might as well remove the windshield to let more air in LOL

even if craig is satoshi (for the sake of argument), nobody will follow him.

get over with this satoshi fetish, go find the person who taught satoshi how to use a computer and make a statue of him/her. even better find satoshi's father and lick his balls, you'll never know you might get a satoshi sperm or two..dig him from the grave if you must  Wink
legendary
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Bounded courier arrived?



He's said everything from he's going to wreck the market on January 1st to he won't ever have access to the bitcoins to now this. So he covered his bases regardless of what happens.

Here's how this will play out:

Craig will claim that even though he received a remaining key slice from the bonded courier, he can't put them together because he doesn't have access to any number of the remaining 7 slices.

Therefore, he will get to continue claiming that he is Satoshi forever, because part of the lie will entail him never receiving the other missing slice(s).

No bitcoins from Satoshi's stash will ever be moved. At least not by Craig.


So, if you're a BSVtard, or just a complicit chump, this plays out perfectly for you.

To everybody else, its just more proof that Craig is full of shit.

Whatever happens, Craig will get to continue his lie, and no bitcoins will be moved. He designed this outcome specifically to appease his major backers. Also whatever happens, Craig will still be on the hook for Kleiman's attorney fees.

BTW: Nice post edit, chump.

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

Its not. Its a fork of a fork. BSV contains changes by Core and BCH developers. This is verifiable by checking its commit history on GitHub. You've just swallowed a lie whole and you keep repeating it in hopes you won't be corrected.
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legendary
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.


Anything on GitHub is a copy, we live digital. Lots of trolls are just copies...

Important is, that BSV is original copy of original BitCoin, where btc has moved away and BSV doesn't copy such alterations into the original copy

More like BitCoin, cause BitCoin doesn't care about tickers and alterations
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Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

It sure would be a lot better than what ever else he's done to prove he's Satoshi. So far he's done nothing but tell lies.

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin

It's not. Its a fork of a fork. It contains changes made by Bitcoin Core and BCH devs. Feel free to keep spewing lies, and I'll keep correcting them.

Bounded courier arrived  Cool





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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
How many of you hate, don't like, disagree with BSV but hold some because of FOMO, fear to miss the train?

BSV is up by 40% today.
I bought BSV when it was under 50$ a few months ago when they announced in a conference that they forked and now big blocks are possible on the BSV chain.

...snip...

I personally don't promote BSV but i as a trader i can tell it has potential to go over 1500$ sometime sooner, and watching as an spectator how some exchanges acted against BSV i can see that BSV is really a threat to other coins as is currently on the top 10 coinmarketcap and is not trade on many important exchanges.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Roll Eyes

No Fear Of Missing Out here whatsoever. $BSV held ... zero, zip, zilch, nada - none.

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It took Bitcoin (BTC) around 11 years to reach a blockchain size of 250GB+ with transactions alone and a 1MB+ blocksize.

The BSV genesis 'update' intends to increase the BSV blocksize to 1GB+ per block to allow for data storage, as well as the transactions going into blocks and the blockchain ... Bitcoin is about Financial Cryptography, not data generic data storage.

How long do you think it will take before the BSV blockchain gets to big to download and/or store on a continual and decentralized basis ?

Imagine trying to store every torrent on the internet on your computer, not the .torrent's, but the actual files ! lolz

Now imagine all of the 'illegal' and problem content that can be uploaded on an immutable basis.

Child abuse images hidden in crypto-currency blockchain (BSV) ... Ewww ...  Cry

- https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268

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BSV is a fork of a fork of (a copy of a copy of) BCH > BSV. See the OP.

Imagine being an exchange that allows a questionable fork of BTC to be effectively traded against its own historical chain of 'split' transactions ! lolz

Now imagine creating a 2nd USD and allowing it to be traded against the 1st USD.

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Also, If/when TX volume goes up, fees increase. Hence, BSV has not fixed a scaling 'problem' at all, it will make it worse.

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Notice that I haven't even mentioned any of the other actions or fabrications by the BSV creators, and yet, which ever way you look at it - BSV likely ends up totally 'borked'.

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The proudhon song ...
- https://youtu.be/A7TuFy0fcuw
legendary
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BSV forked from BCH which forked from BTC. I don't think you can call BSV as original.

BSV is an Original Copy of a Copy.
legendary
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Love it. While I can't do much I have used whatever bump power I have to help keep this thread visible.

Discussion without censorship let's have it.
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legendary
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.



It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot



I programmed my dog, i told it to sit and it sat.......it is still a dog LOL

man...fuck finance, i bought a bark from the dog with a cookie. TX-RX (transaction) did complete.

SoV wannabe triggered.

Lost in a blockdream
legendary
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.



It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot



I programmed my dog, i told it to sit and it sat.......it is still a dog LOL

man...fuck finance, i bought a bark from the dog with a cookie. TX-RX (transaction) did complete.
hero member
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It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot




If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, GFY
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legendary
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.



It is not just 'a' programmable money. We have a lot of those

It is defined and got its name and design by its legit founder.


No chance on earth that this can be altered to be sth different and keep name, definition paper, protocol consens,..  all that. Not in the world of finance where every single thing is defined, specked, assessed,... and put down into product term sheets, disclaimers, contracts... to that deep details AS POSSIBLE! No waggy space left for scammers

If you don't get that strictness in finance, and call that religion you might need to learn a lot

legendary
Activity: 3444
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers

"honor the work of Satoshi?"

what is bitcoin? a memorial? a religion even? LOL

it is a programmable money.

let's say for the sake of argument that craig is satoshi, do we believe whatever he says that "should be done in bitcoin"? answer: NO , because people involved got brains too and will come into consensus for the better/greater good and not some kind of "vision" of a person.

sorry, but injecting shit and fucking up the original protocol is special..why? because Bitcoin itself in day 1 is an injected shit to fuck up the world protocol for inflating fiat currencies.

while BitcoinSV is some injected shit to fuck up the Bitcoin revolution protocol that is taking the world by storm.

logic is indeed a bitch.

hero member
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The sacrifice for supporting back to 0.8 vs merely (say) supporting a year or two ago is insignificant-- mostly automated tests take a little longer to run and keeping around a bit of older redundant code to support the communication requirements of older nodes.

If there were a big cost difference between three years back and six years back, then perhaps newer versions would only still talk three years back.

That isn't the case because almost all of the compatibility costs are created by having any compatibility at all. One it exists, keeping it around isn't usually a large cost.

If you're running a relatively centralized system and can just demand everyone upgrade all at once to new behaviour you've specified then some things can be implemented somewhat easier. Though interestingly, it turns out-- most things are about the same either way. Changes to commitment structures (what data gets hashed) are hard to do in compatible ways, almost everything else is easy. But assuming everyone can upgrade at once is an extraordinarily centralizing assumption.

Supporting back a couple years means that users are free to run niche or custom software. They can keep on using Bitcoin XT or "Bitcoin Classic" or their own customized versions of them if those things have features they're dependent on.

They don't have to stop what they're doing and rebuild and retest their infrastructure on someone else's schedule. They don't have to take a risk that the new code introduces some backdoor or bad interaction with their other software. They can wait until they're doing other upgrades to change to new stuff.

Old versions can be insecure in various ways but you can keep your existing stuff running with a separate newer node as a firewall to protect it.

Even if you assume that everyone will eventually upgrade to new software-- and I generally do-- users being able to do it on their own timeframe can extraordinarily reduce their costs and risks. There are very few visible nodes in the Bitcoin network <0.13.1 (less than 5%), though we can't tell what people are running privately behind firewall nodes.

There are also other alternative implementations that are limping along. They add new features but because they're much smaller than the biggest public development effort, it sometimes takes them months or a year to catch up. Fortunately, compatibility means they're not killed dead if they can't always keep up with the fastest developed implementation.

None of that works in BCH land. If you really loved Bitcoin XT, Bitcoin Classic, or some other niche version ... or just had your own patches on an older version of ABC... well you're just SOL: you can't just keep running them. Your only option is to take on an incredible amount of development work either updating the code to the new consensus rules or recreating the features you need on the new software and testing that these changes don't break anything you care about. BCH's frequent hardfork practices have demonstratively killed many (most?) of the "many implementations" that were being so heavily promoted here a couple years ago.

I think there is a lot of juicy irony that many people around here were hollering about zomg dev control but then switch to BCH and an hardfork process that crams controversial (e.g. CTOR) changes down people's throat, actively kills competing implementation, and materially reduces user's freedom to choose to not follow around some client authors latest brainfart.


Post by @nullc on reddit . https://www.reddit.com/user/nullc/

Not even mentioning BSV which is a fork of a fork of a fork.....
legendary
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Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

It sure would be a lot better than what ever else he's done to prove he's Satoshi. So far he's done nothing but tell lies.

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin

It's not. Its a fork of a fork. It contains changes made by Bitcoin Core and BCH devs. Feel free to keep spewing lies, and I'll keep correcting them.
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legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL


Funny, he might NOT even be Satoshi, if he signs.

Logic is a bitch

Anyhow BSV is just refactored Original BitCoin, so good to keep it working just to honor the work of Satoshi?

One of the best visions ever imo



Bitcoin is the real thing, injecting shit and fuck up the original protocol is nothing special, sorry


Cheers
legendary
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Guys I guess don't engage in other thread now, you're bumping it up... ?
legendary
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there is no vision......what vision?

so satoshi left and come back to fork bitcoin? LOL

unless craig sign satoshi's wallets he is not satoshi, if he is not satoshi, how come it is called "satoshi's vision"

what is bitcoin now? it is the decentralized community of miners, coders, shitcoiners, scammers, schemers, gamblers, investards...i can go on and on.. a "VISION" of one man is meaningless now. so cut the crap with the "VISION" shit LOL
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