[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread - page 7.

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Quote from: nutildah on February 03, 2020, 02:31:21 PM

Anybody else find it ironic that Bitcoin SV, the protocol "set in stone", is undergoing a hardfork, something that the real bitcoin has never done?

BSV will soon be split into two factions: Bitcoin SV and Bitcoin SV Classic.

Its laughable that all of the changes being introduced to the new BSV are considered part of "Satoshi's Vision." They're completely scrambling the code with a bunch of additions Satoshi could have never envisioned when he was around.

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Additional Consensus Changes

Genesis Upgrade block height activation mechanism
UTXO age dependent rules
Formal Script Grammar
scriptSig can only contain OP_PUSHDATA operations
Sunset OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY and OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY for new transactions
Add a policy limit on max_script_memory_usage with a default of 100MB
Add a consensus limit on max_script_memory_usage
Remove the consensus limit on the number of signature operations per MB of block space
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum number of signature operations per transaction
Remove the consensus limit on the number of op codes per script
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum script element size
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum number of elements in a script
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum number of public keys per multisig
Increase the consensus limit on the maximum transaction size to 1GB.

Software Enhancements

Parallel Block Validation
Separate processing of non-standard transactions in low priority queue
Set script evaluation timeout policies for standard and non-standard transactions
Tx should be included in inv messages in the order in which they are validated
Enhance tests for Parallel Block Validation.
Common Genesis activation code and command line option.
Enable validation of non-standard txns (on MainNet) when Genesis is enabled.
Set mempool default = 1Gb.
Remove block size from user agent string.
Change default tx fees (default txfee = 0.5 sat/byte, default minrelaytxfee = 0.25 sat/byte)
Update SPV bloom filters re attack mitigation.
Improve performance of prevector deserialization.
Change logging messages to be more precise.
Fix: Validating non-standard transactions can lock up a node for more than a minute.
Fix: Tx validation uses original reject message and ban score is used
Fix block send queue overflow
Fix undefined behaviour in bsv::deserialize
Fix bitcoin-cli help getblock
Fix build: Configure should fail when it can’t detect boost
Set the execute bit on all the new Genesis functional tests.
Fix MedianTimePast
Fix: Nonfinal transactions with no inputs is rejected with incorrect reason
Fix memory leak in asn1_integer
Fix boost::optional warnings
Fix: hexhdr.py does not get included in packaged source
Fix: Fundrawtransaction RPC changePosition parameter causing out of bounds access
Add basic --enable-tcmalloc option to the build
Fix: CTxnDoubleSpendDetector deletion past end of vector
fix lshift and rshift on data larger than 2GB
Update to the RDP in preparation for Genesis
set max duration for async validation tasks

What a joke.

Well I mean if you're still an SV believer, it means you'll believe anything, so why not?

Troll harder. You must really hate BitCoin. Only love hodled bags?

Never seen such a retarded hater like nutiboy

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Anybody else find it ironic that Bitcoin SV, the protocol "set in stone", is undergoing a hardfork, something that the real bitcoin has never done?

BSV will soon be split into two factions: Bitcoin SV and Bitcoin SV Classic.

Its laughable that all of the changes being introduced to the new BSV are considered part of "Satoshi's Vision." They're completely scrambling the code with a bunch of additions Satoshi could have never envisioned when he was around.

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Additional Consensus Changes

Genesis Upgrade block height activation mechanism
UTXO age dependent rules
Formal Script Grammar
scriptSig can only contain OP_PUSHDATA operations
Sunset OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY and OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY for new transactions
Add a policy limit on max_script_memory_usage with a default of 100MB
Add a consensus limit on max_script_memory_usage
Remove the consensus limit on the number of signature operations per MB of block space
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum number of signature operations per transaction
Remove the consensus limit on the number of op codes per script
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum script element size
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum number of elements in a script
Remove the consensus limit on the maximum number of public keys per multisig
Increase the consensus limit on the maximum transaction size to 1GB.

Software Enhancements

Parallel Block Validation
Separate processing of non-standard transactions in low priority queue
Set script evaluation timeout policies for standard and non-standard transactions
Tx should be included in inv messages in the order in which they are validated
Enhance tests for Parallel Block Validation.
Common Genesis activation code and command line option.
Enable validation of non-standard txns (on MainNet) when Genesis is enabled.
Set mempool default = 1Gb.
Remove block size from user agent string.
Change default tx fees (default txfee = 0.5 sat/byte, default minrelaytxfee = 0.25 sat/byte)
Update SPV bloom filters re attack mitigation.
Improve performance of prevector deserialization.
Change logging messages to be more precise.
Fix: Validating non-standard transactions can lock up a node for more than a minute.
Fix: Tx validation uses original reject message and ban score is used
Fix block send queue overflow
Fix undefined behaviour in bsv::deserialize
Fix bitcoin-cli help getblock
Fix build: Configure should fail when it can’t detect boost
Set the execute bit on all the new Genesis functional tests.
Fix MedianTimePast
Fix: Nonfinal transactions with no inputs is rejected with incorrect reason
Fix memory leak in asn1_integer
Fix boost::optional warnings
Fix: hexhdr.py does not get included in packaged source
Fix: Fundrawtransaction RPC changePosition parameter causing out of bounds access
Add basic --enable-tcmalloc option to the build
Fix: CTxnDoubleSpendDetector deletion past end of vector
fix lshift and rshift on data larger than 2GB
Update to the RDP in preparation for Genesis
set max duration for async validation tasks

What a joke.

Well I mean if you're still an SV believer, it means you'll believe anything, so why not?

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Quote from: hv_ on February 03, 2020, 10:51:09 AM

Quote from: Dabs on February 03, 2020, 09:10:21 AM

How does one hard fork a "genesis", or it's just some crazy marketing term they are trying to use. I don't think you can roll back 10 years worth of transactions, as no one has been able to day a reorg even back a single day.

It's the re-genesis rather

https://sv.coin.dance/

the great 'un-fckening' - gettting rid of shit in the code that never belonged in it

This is great news, but i don't this we will see price movements upwards because of the re-genesis, waiting for the conference, hopefully china will get rid of the corona virus and investors will buy in.

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Quote from: Dabs on February 03, 2020, 09:10:21 AM

How does one hard fork a "genesis", or it's just some crazy marketing term they are trying to use. I don't think you can roll back 10 years worth of transactions, as no one has been able to day a reorg even back a single day.

It's the re-genesis rather

https://sv.coin.dance/

the great 'un-fckening' - gettting rid of shit in the code that never belonged in it

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How does one hard fork a "genesis", or it's just some crazy marketing term they are trying to use. I don't think you can roll back 10 years worth of transactions, as no one has been able to day a reorg even back a single day.

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Be prepared

https://bitcoinsv.io/genesis-hard-fork/

Late today / tomorrow the refactoring happens

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How the Coronavirus will affect the price of BSV?

What will happen to the Satoshi coins if Satoshi get the virus and dies?

I am worry because my investment, not because i support BSV

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Quote from: nutildah on January 30, 2020, 12:23:05 PM

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 11:06:42 AM

So what happeneds when the fee market exceeds the block reward as is clearly going to be the case with BSV

I don't know. None of us do, because hell will have frozen over long before then.

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 11:06:42 AM

It’s obvious the transaction fee market will clearly exceed the block reward with time.

How is that "obvious"? Lets take a look at the facts:

Avg. Transaction Fee   0.0000038 BSV ($0.0011)
Transactions avg. per hour   21,087, or 3,515 per block
Reward Per Block   12.50+0.0158 BSV ($3,695.91 USD)
Fee in Reward (Average Fee Percentage in Total Block Reward)   0.15%

At its current price, the average number of transactions would have to increase by 666.67x in order for their fees to equal the block reward. That's assuming that transaction fees doesn't increase proportional to the price of BSV. That would mean 2.343 million transactions per block. Since BSV has an average tx size of 0.48kb, that would mean each block would have to be 1.124 GB. We're talking about a 570-fold increase from where things currently stand. That just ain't happening. Not in our lifetimes.

Feel free to bet on BSV's blockchain growing by 162 GB a day if you want (4.8 terabytes a month) -- that does not sound like "scaling" to me. It sounds like a pipe dream.

What's far more likely to happen is BSV will buckle under the weight of Craig's ego and it will implode into obscure shitcoindom where it belongs.

So still whining and triggered emotional by BitCoin will run in datacenters as originally designed?

Meh

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Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 11:06:42 AM

So what happeneds when the fee market exceeds the block reward as is clearly going to be the case with BSV

I don't know. None of us do, because hell will have frozen over long before then.

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 11:06:42 AM

It’s obvious the transaction fee market will clearly exceed the block reward with time.

How is that "obvious"? Lets take a look at the facts:

Avg. Transaction Fee   0.0000038 BSV ($0.0011)
Transactions avg. per hour   21,087, or 3,515 per block
Reward Per Block   12.50+0.0158 BSV ($3,695.91 USD)
Fee in Reward (Average Fee Percentage in Total Block Reward)   0.15%

At its current price, the average number of transactions would have to increase by 666.67x in order for their fees to equal the block reward. That's assuming that transaction fees doesn't increase proportional to the price of BSV. That would mean 2.343 million transactions per block. Since BSV has an average tx size of 0.48kb, that would mean each block would have to be 1.124 GB. We're talking about a 570-fold increase from where things currently stand. That just ain't happening. Not in our lifetimes.

Feel free to bet on BSV's blockchain growing by 162 GB a day if you want (4.8 terabytes a month) -- that does not sound like "scaling" to me. It sounds like a pipe dream.

What's far more likely to happen is BSV will buckle under the weight of Craig's ego and it will implode into obscure shitcoindom where it belongs.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 30, 2020, 09:18:03 AM

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 08:04:23 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 29, 2020, 12:08:57 PM

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 29, 2020, 12:00:30 PM

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size.

Funny how that website leaves out the metrics that are actually important in determining the true popularity of a coin, like active addresses, average transaction size and total hash power of the network. Wonder why that is.

BSV is a joke led by a fraudulent cult leader. Its going nowhere as an honest investment until Craig is removed from its equation entirely. Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Again, miners have the incentive to process every transaction, there are no ‘metrics’ left out of a global ledger...

Do they really though? We've been through this already. The miners make a tiny sliver of what BTC miners make in transaction fees. They have very little incentive to process every transaction because 99.95% of their revenue depends on the block reward.

All metrics are left out of a "global ledger" (in your case, you're referring to a fork of a fork of bitcoin), because a ledger doesn't care about statistics.

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 08:04:23 AM

History of your posts show that you have bet against the best performing crypto of the top 10 in 2019-2020.... there is literally proof of you saying ‘BSV will go to zero’ and there has been 2 bull runs since.

I actually never said I "had bet" against BSV, however after BSV reached its new high on what was obviously fake news I opened a short position on it and am doing quite well, thanks. Just because its the "best performing crypto of the top 10" during your arbitrarily and ill-defined time period doesn't mean its not an outright scam.

So what happeneds when the fee market exceeds the block reward as is clearly going to be the case with BSV if unless you ignore the ongoing daily average tranasaction increase on the BSV network? Better yet, where are miners going to go when there is no longer a block reward for Btc and everyone is ‘HODL’ing’ ans not creating any transaction volume the miners to stay afloat? BTC is a dead end experiment that was hijacked by communists in 2017.

Again, here’s a source: like at the blocksize increase by BSV. It’s obvious the transaction fee market will clearly exceed the block reward with time. This literally destroys the ridiculous ‘hodl’ Btc narrative. Where do you think that line is going?

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

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Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 08:04:23 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 29, 2020, 12:08:57 PM

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 29, 2020, 12:00:30 PM

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size.

Funny how that website leaves out the metrics that are actually important in determining the true popularity of a coin, like active addresses, average transaction size and total hash power of the network. Wonder why that is.

BSV is a joke led by a fraudulent cult leader. Its going nowhere as an honest investment until Craig is removed from its equation entirely. Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Again, miners have the incentive to process every transaction, there are no ‘metrics’ left out of a global ledger...

Do they really though? We've been through this already. The miners make a tiny sliver of what BTC miners make in transaction fees. They have very little incentive to process every transaction because 99.95% of their revenue depends on the block reward.

All metrics are left out of a "global ledger" (in your case, you're referring to a fork of a fork of bitcoin), because a ledger doesn't care about statistics.

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 30, 2020, 08:04:23 AM

History of your posts show that you have bet against the best performing crypto of the top 10 in 2019-2020.... there is literally proof of you saying ‘BSV will go to zero’ and there has been 2 bull runs since.

I actually never said I "had bet" against BSV, however after BSV reached its new high on what was obviously fake news I opened a short position on it and am doing quite well, thanks. Just because its the "best performing crypto of the top 10" during your arbitrarily and ill-defined time period doesn't mean its not an outright scam.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 29, 2020, 12:08:57 PM

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 29, 2020, 12:00:30 PM

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size.

Funny how that website leaves out the metrics that are actually important in determining the true popularity of a coin, like active addresses, average transaction size and total hash power of the network. Wonder why that is.

BSV is a joke led by a fraudulent cult leader. Its going nowhere as an honest investment until Craig is removed from its equation entirely. Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Again, miners have the incentive to process every transaction, there are no ‘metrics’ left out of a global ledger...

History of your posts show that you have bet against the best performing crypto of the top 10 in 2019-2020.... there is literally proof of you saying ‘BSV will go to zero’ and there has been 2 bull runs since. Are you really going to gamble that there won’t be another all time high for BSV?

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Quote from: fratoshi on January 28, 2020, 11:41:42 PM

Is there someone on this forum that have rare Satoshi pictures and want to share or exchange with me?

I have this two pictures of young Satoshi, can anyone tell me if those pictures are genuine?

i won't be friends with someone with that kind of face. looks like a heavy bullshitter kind of face.

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Did Craig forget to prove he owns something again??? Cheesy

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 29, 2020, 12:24:23 PM

Quote from: nutildah on January 29, 2020, 12:08:57 PM

Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Hahahahaha...

Look who woke up on the generous side of the bed this morning with $30-$40 valuations of a piece of shit?

Well, I think ~ 1/10th the price of BCH is fair. Sans Craig, there has been a decent amount of effort put into it compared to most other altcoins. Not that we don't already have several pre-existing data storage coins that are probably much more efficient in that aspect because that's what they were specifically built to do.

Quote from: Dabs on January 29, 2020, 01:33:37 PM

$30 is higher than what even the true original bitcoin was around 2013 ... They are talking about the original vision or whatever version it was at when Satoshi disappeared, so they should at least get on version 0.6 or something. Satoshi didn't stop at 0.1.

SV being based on "the original protocol" is just another one of the many fallacious selling points preached by Craig. As I've brought up and detailed elsewhere, its code contains several changes made by Bitcoin Core and ABC developers (Maxwell, Wuille, Sechet, etc). These changes aren't being taken out because they are integral to a properly-functioning bitcoin. Of course, Craig would rather all his followers just remain ignorant about the details.

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Bitcoin SV will get delisted from nicehash on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, at 2 PM CET.
https://www.nicehash.com/blog/post/bitcoin-sv-(bsv)-delisting

If you are holding BSV there, you have till March 15 to withdraw.

For the moment Ledger has no support for BSV, a list of wallets to storage your BSV can be found here
https://bitcoinsv.io/services/wallets-and-exchanges/

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The Bitcoin SV [BSV] ecosystem has rapidly grown to approximately 400 ventures and projects around the world. According to a regularly-updated chart (prepared by BSV project Peergame) that compiles information from BSV/DEVS, Agora.icu, GitHub and other resources, as of January 19, 2020, there were 394 known companies, services, developer resources, protocol layers and protocol projects built on or for BSV. With new projects being announced on a regular basis, the number will soon surpass 400.

https://bitcoinassociation.net/bitcoin-sv-bsv-development-rapidly-grows-to-nearly-400-ventures-projects-worldwide/

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Clueless!

Wash Trading.

BSV sells to Tether then sells thus back to self as BSV...in massive quantities. Rinse/Wash/Repeat boys. All the sketchy exchanges BSV is on, all the manipulation!

Nothing new here move on. You also can tell by the 15% up then 15% down, over and over BSV is being manipulated big time.

Right now the BSV folk are playing the 'newbie' masses with Buy the rumor but sell the news. Only these 'few' BSV whales are manipulating the market.

Again, yawn, have seen this with BSV before. Just a lot of Hope'em! Sad

Nothing new to see here folks, move along...

Brad

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$30 is higher than what even the true original bitcoin was around 2013 ... They are talking about the original vision or whatever version it was at when Satoshi disappeared, so they should at least get on version 0.6 or something. Satoshi didn't stop at 0.1.

One of their major contentions or disagreements was regarding segregated witness. Well, it's optional and you don't have to use it, there was no need to fork a coin... and it forked from a fork too... should have just tried to fork from the original.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 29, 2020, 12:08:57 PM

Quote from: Anarcocapitalista on January 29, 2020, 12:00:30 PM

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size.

Funny how that website leaves out the metrics that are actually important in determining the true popularity of a coin, like active addresses, average transaction size and total hash power of the network. Wonder why that is.

BSV is a joke led by a fraudulent cult leader. Its going nowhere as an honest investment until Craig is removed from its equation entirely. Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Hahahahaha...

Look who woke up on the generous side of the bed this morning with $30-$40 valuations of a piece of shit?

I think that another uncomfortable truth for the adding of value to that piece of shit fraud project is that it remains as an attack vector towards bitcoin.. and also as a kind of magnet for dumb fucks and gullible and vulnerable and get rich quick wannabes and folks who want to be scammed.. just like the nigerian prince had a decent amount of value for a long time, and there are still dumb fucks who actually fall for that crap, which gives it value... which, of course, is also some of the utility of BCH, too... a seeming ongoing niche that is trying to scam a slightly different audience.

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