[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread - page 4.

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Quote from: nutildah on February 15, 2020, 11:50:31 AM

Wow, I just watched BSV lose $50 in 15 minutes. That was breathtaking.

In the last 24 hours:

BTC down 3%
BSV down 14.5%

Lol. Idiots only watch price and their bags - fcking short term and sighted

BitCoiners build, sustainable

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Wow, I just watched BSV lose $50 in 15 minutes. That was breathtaking.

In the last 24 hours:

BTC down 3%
BSV down 14.5%

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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

Oh dear ...

"BSV mempool suddenly jumps to 400+ MB this morning. Interesting. 🙄"
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1227517652559712256

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Q: What's the difference between a slow, clunky database and a centralized blockchain?

A: Nothing.

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Quote from: Dabs on February 12, 2020, 09:10:50 AM

Core wallet = full validating node. Just not mining new blocks. But verifying existing blocks. Segwit is implemented by consensus. That means everyone agreed to it. Plus, it works, so why not use it. You don't have to use it if you don't want to and stick to old school addresses, those still work.

Nope - not 'everyone' - and it's not a 'democratic' decision to change a protocol BTW - even more NOPE to change financial system having a strict definition WHITE PAPER

Learn finance and compliance

... the hard way

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Core wallet = full validating node. Just not mining new blocks. But verifying existing blocks. Segwit is implemented by consensus. That means everyone agreed to it. Plus, it works, so why not use it. You don't have to use it if you don't want to and stick to old school addresses, those still work.

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Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System

yes - and no segwit, ctor, rbf, and honest miners run the nodes

>>>>>>

BSV looks the hard fact BitCoin

BTC just soft forked away

No troll wins here

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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

Quote from: hv_ on February 12, 2020, 06:44:02 AM

There is no BTC white paper - this claim got rekkt by segwit & co

VERY EASY TO VERIFY - don't trust twitter trolls

Yes it is very easy to verify, Bitcoin = BTC at domain bitcoin.org - always has! ...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/

"Paper: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System

Abstract. A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution. Digital signatures provide part of the solution, but the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required to prevent double-spending. We propose a solution to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer network. The network timestamps transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without redoing the proof-of-work. The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power. As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network, they'll generate the longest chain and outpace attackers. The network itself requires minimal structure. Messages are broadcast on a best effort basis, and nodes can leave and rejoin the network at will, accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone."

Paper: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System <<<<< links to ...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20100704213649/http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Again, Bitcoin = BTC at domain bitcoin.org - always has!

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Bitcoin is NOT BSV and CSW is NOT Satoshi.

Got it now? Good!

I'm presenting you with hard facts and hard evidence here, with empirical sources and you only have words ... who is the troll ? YOU ARE @hv_ .

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There is no BTC white paper - this claim got rekkt by segwit & co

VERY EASY TO VERIFY - don't trust twitter trolls

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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

Quote from: ?? on ??

Validating Nodes; AKA Sybil Systems
There is no such thing as a validating node in Bitcoin. Bitcoin scales using SPV, but even with what some people in the BTC religion call full validating nodes, only miners matter. In particular, nodes were designed to preclude Sybil systems. Bitcoin is a proof-of-work system. Nodes are defined in six steps in the white paper. Any system that does not complete all of the six stages is not a node in Bitcoin. As such, any Raspberry Pi system is alluding itself. Your Raspberry Pi will never find a proof-of-work. Any such system is by definition a Sybil.

You are referring to the Bitcoin (BTC) white paper here;

- https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

When Bitcoin (BTC) was released all nodes (wallets) were 'validating nodes'.

Mining bitcoins in-wallet with CPU power (Proof-of-Work) was entirely optional via a Tab > Generate Coins.

GPU mining and pooled mining did not exist until later on.

Your twisted narrative of Bitcoin history is therefore a completely invalid argument.

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"Important to understand here:

1. In 2009/2010 the Bitcoin client was a wallet, a node and a miner (which was called "generating coins" back in the days).
2. Satoshi foresaw a future split of the Bitcoin client in wallets, mining nodes (in parks) and listening nodes.

17/23"
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1222883332968656898

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Validating Nodes; AKA Sybil Systems
There is no such thing as a validating node in Bitcoin. Bitcoin scales using SPV, but even with what some people in the BTC religion call full validating nodes, only miners matter. In particular, nodes were designed to preclude Sybil systems. Bitcoin is a proof-of-work system. Nodes are defined in six steps in the white paper. Any system that does not complete all of the six stages is not a node in Bitcoin. As such, any Raspberry Pi system is alluding itself. Your Raspberry Pi will never find a proof-of-work. Any such system is by definition a Sybil.

Yessss

Some guy is getting it.

If non-miner node (lol) GETTING a wrong copy - it's lost.

Miners are UPDATING the state

Raspis try to follow - just are behind all the time. No security coming from those 'Sybils' - don't trust them - just 'accept' what miners pass over - they verify for you - cause only miners getting paid for

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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

O RLY?

Twitter storm time ...

"Craig Wright has committed 'ID theft' of the #Bitcoin creator !?

I am 'BitcoinFX', registered user No. 30 - February 01, 2010, from the http://bitcointalk.org forum, one of the places the real Satoshi Nakamoto launched Bitcoin (#BTC).

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.188

1/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222878843704397826

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"My Signed message thread:

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1221190086328492033

2/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222879101293297665

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"I ran an early Bitcoin exchange service and contributed mainly on the forum to help the Bitcoin concept to flourish.

https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1222243021540020224

I communicated with the real Satoshi, yet Craig Wright seemingly avoids myself (and others) like the plague!

3/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222879327425060865

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"To date, Craig Stephen Wright has failed to sign a valid publicly verifiable Bitcoin message for any address:

Dan Kaminsky's:
- https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/02/validating-satoshi-or-not/

Attempting (Failed) Verification of the Wright Signature:
- https://github.com/patio11/wrightverification

Also see:
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html

4/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222879510271492096

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"Signed and Verifiable messages in Bitcoin are very easy. The real Satoshi could also prove identity via PGP.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/

At the base of the page, see PGP Key; Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc :

- https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

Financial privacy is not broken using PGP.

5/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222879720250990592

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"Signed messages are a better proof-of-identity over not signing messages.

Bitcoin is financial cryptography software, after all.

Logging in to forum accounts and/or sending from original Satoshi email addresses is also feasible proof, for example.

6/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222879837834092544

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"Whilst privacy and anonymity are quite different:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymity

Pseudonymity in Bitcoin has always allowed for people to be honest brokers and to pay taxes.

'Criminals' unfortunately utilize all forms of money. This is unavoidable.

7/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222879979563835392

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"The real Satoshi Nakamoto remains 'anonymous' and used #Tor for safer communications.

Use of privacy and anonymity tools for internet circumvention etc., does not make you a 'criminal'.

https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1221778440950599681

8/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222880212125392896

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"#BitcoinSV is NOT the original Bitcoin. #BSV is a fork of a fork of original #Bitcoin which is #BTC.

They copied Bitcoin --> Bitcoin Cash --> BitcoinSV

See the BSV license agreement:

- https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/master/LICENSE

One would imagine Satoshi to be lord of his own yard, right!

9/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222880593563869184

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"Quote: ".. The Bitcoin SV blockchains are defined, for purposes of this license, as the Bitcoin blockchain containing block height #556767 with the hash "000000000000000001d956714215d96ffc00e0afda4cd0a96c96f8d802b1662b .."

Again, BitcoinSV is NOT Bitcoin, Bitcoin is BTC.

10/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222880754063101953

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"Finally, big blocks in BitcoinSV are NOT a scaling 'solution', they are a scaling problem!

CSW is NOT Satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

Prove me wrong! Still waiting!

I recommend following: @MyLegacyKit for more facts on this subject.

11/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222881013812137984

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"Peace and love to all Bitcoin (BTC) supporters and to the honest folks of the fantastic crypto community twittersphere !

Not your private keys, not your coins!

Don't trust, verify!

☮️ ❤️ 🌮 🔐 ⚡️

12/12"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222882485295570944

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BSV is NOT Bitcoin and Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi.

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"Worthless and unenforceable patents !?

- https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/5960/can-i-patent-open-source-project

"You can not patent code. You can only patent an invention which is implemented in your code. An invention is a new and unique way of doing something..."

1/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222936773581594624

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"... "... Most of all, it must be something nobody did before. If anyone used the same technique which you describe in your patent, that's called prior art and invalidates your patent..."

2/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222936939655041025

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"... "... So trying to get a patent on something somebody else invented and implemented in code would be futile...."

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222880754063101953

3/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222937111772397568

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"Further,

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52932888

Quote: "The bitcoin whitepaper was first distributed by Satoshi Nakamoto on the Cypherpunks mailing list. The mailing list has a Cypherpunks anti-License. http://cypherspace.org/CPL/ ... "

4/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222937305004068864

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"... "Background ...

The CPL is written from a mindset which derides the very concept of Intellectual Property restrictions as being incompatible with a free society ..."

5/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222937500001415169

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"... "... Cryptographically assured anonymity and anonymous use of Internet resources mean that denizens of cypherspace can ignore copyright, licenses attempting to control use and distribution of works, and patents on ideas..."

6/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222937618339573760

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"... "... It is not possible to enforce IP laws by calls to government legal systems when the flaunter is strongly anonymous. ..."

7/8
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222937735658426369

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"CSW's and nChain's patents are likely Prior Art i.e. worthless and unenforceable without said cryptographically assured proof.

😎

8/8"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1222938179579338752

Signed Message Thread ...

"Herewith, a Signed and Verifiable message from my (old) 2010 #Bitcoin (BTC) zero balance wallet address:

1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp

Why can't Craig Wright do this?

Not Your Private Keys, Not Your Bitcoin. 🔑

Don't trust, verify. 🧐

1 of 3"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1221190086328492033

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"
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
@BitcoinFX_BTC on twitter.com
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp
HN37ufAaK25q9kDIKB4ddMkd2LeT8Y/2hE3gWDPDEbvqBDWOLcHAIbFQqgnqVu+zqwOHC2rf1/M6op0wQrt08vY=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

2 of 3"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1221190088065011713

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"Verify Signed Message - https://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp&vrMsg=%40BitcoinFX_BTC%20on%20twitter.com&vrSig=HN37ufAaK25q9kDIKB4ddMkd2LeT8Y%2F2hE3gWDPDEbvqBDWOLcHAIbFQqgnqVu%2BzqwOHC2rf1%2FM6op0wQrt08vY%3D

BitcoinTalk Account Backlink - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53701472

BTC Address - https://blockchain.com/btc/address/1JXFXUBGs2ZtEDAQMdZ3tkCKo38nT2XSEp

Still a bit nauseating ! 🤪

3 of 3"
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1221190101004406785

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Quite entertaining how the trolls just only can react on BSV by derailing their thefts of original BitCoin protocol, idea, IP ... and try to social media proof that the guy who's pointing out their dumb thefts, try to make him a theft...

Now, who IS still the proven thief?

Core / Blockstream , abc devs ?

Why going into original sourcs as long as social media gives more time for popcorn...

Roll Eyes

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All I know is that person in above Picture (click link to view the image) is not satoshi but faketoshi. BSV got just an artificial pump and it will surely come back.

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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

"Beam me up, Scotty" ...

Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft [re: Craig Wright scam]
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/project-anastasia-bitcoiners-against-identity-theft-re-craig-wright-scam-5215128

Quote from: BitcoinFX on February 11, 2020, 09:13:15 AM

Indeed, quite incidentally or perhaps inadvertently, William Shatner now appears to of 'joined' Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft [re: Craig Wright scam] with the following tweet(s)! ...

"Why can’t he prove it? 🤷🏼‍♂️
From what I’ve read is that some mysterious bonded courier would deliver the keys (which honestly is a scene right out of Back to the Future.) If he is, he should be able to prove it. This is like the modern day search for Anastasia."
- https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1226894636699942914

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*meme*

- https://twitter.com/sovereignmonkey/status/1226948530033582080

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"Well this really says nothing. He’s the one claiming to be Satoshi, so like Anastasia he needs to prove it. And it would seem that signing the block would prove he has the keys which is a step in the “Wright” direction. 😉"
- https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1226974499238793224

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"Judges look at facts & apply it to the law & previous judgements. Would an ordinary, learned, person such as a Judge be able to look at the keys & say “yes these are Satoshi’s keys”? 🤷🏼‍♂️

I just feel there’s a simpler way to prove it & hush all the detractors."
- https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1226978536306683905

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"
1. He claims he is.
2. He says he has the keys.
3. Sign.

Why bother with videos explaining why? Just do #3. 🙄

To ask a judge is just wasting the court’s time and leaves the ruling open to scrutiny as to what was presented versus what wasn’t. 🤷🏼‍♂️"
- https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1226993632374333440

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"🤔
So he’s Tiny Tim; tiptoeing through the Tulips? 🤷🏼‍♂️ I would have blocked him long ago with all these weird stories. 🙄 Let me know what the judge says. 😉"
- https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1226998666839384065

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- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1227238721629507588

Tiny Tim - Tiptoe Through The Tulips
- https://youtu.be/zcSlcNfThUA

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1227239073472843776

Tip Toe Thru The Tulips 1929
- https://youtu.be/0-MPTrWJ1uM

Cheesy

Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

Prove me wrong! Still waiting!

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"Aye, aye, captain."

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Quote from: Dabs on February 11, 2020, 07:56:29 AM

Not all miners run full nodes. The ones who connect to pools usually don't. A lot of other alts would seem to have more full nodes than BSV.

Decent miniers - caring for high connectivity run their own trusted dedicated network / leased lines / datacentres

These are the miniers winning / miners of trust - cause highly invested and not happy to lose cause raspis are slow and not resilient

Don't play the game every consumer wallet - node is relevant in a client server network - miners are making the blocks ot truth - between other miners, the rest = clients can only reject what the truth is - just lol

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Not all miners run full nodes. The ones who connect to pools usually don't. A lot of other alts would seem to have more full nodes than BSV.

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Quote from: nutildah on February 11, 2020, 01:14:38 AM

3 more BSV nodes have fallen into line, but the contingency of stalwart nodes on 0.2.1 and 0.2.2 doesn't seem to be shaken:

Meanwhile the price of BSV still hovers around $350 Roll Eyes

Imagine how the fate of a $6.4 billion market cap could rest on the shoulders of 259 nodes... Decentralization, just like Satoshi envision it! Cheesy

Funny - isn't it?

True nodes are miners. = SERVERS of the network

all the rest are simple relay / client nodes - why you care ?

TIP: Draw some time series graph / process graph when exactly happens what in BitCoin

Than you might get the understand how the systems DYNAMICALLY works

Otherwise you just don't know anything (or just the STATICS) - Jon Snow

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3 more BSV nodes have fallen into line, but the contingency of stalwart nodes on 0.2.1 and 0.2.2 doesn't seem to be shaken:

Meanwhile the price of BSV still hovers around $350 Roll Eyes

Imagine how the fate of a $6.4 billion market cap could rest on the shoulders of 259 nodes... Decentralization, just like Satoshi envision it! Cheesy

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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

No.

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"Craig Wright - His Bitcoin Fraud Fundament

We know that Craig started to fraud his way into the Bitcoin arena in the second half of 2013.

Let's check out how he build the foundation to that fraud.

1/17"
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1225479475456024585

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BSV is "Cracked, inSecure and Generally Broken" - SWIM

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"Six days after the BSV Genesis downgrade, it appears more and more to me that some 80-85 nodes have forked off and are creating a new chain after block 620538. Another ~30 nodes are left behind in the process.

Only ~250 nodes are now left.

A year ago, BSV had 636 nodes."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1226799775711989760

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"Satoshi advocated for separation of data systems to enable scalability, even the minimal BitDNS data. He was totally against piling everything into Bitcoin’s blockchain - the exact opposite of what Craig Wright is trying to do!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28696

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28917 "

- https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1225662529013088256

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Now go here:

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53783160

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53798082

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53806826

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BSV is a scurge on this entire industry. Avoid it like the plague. Do not use any services that list and/or endorse it. Cease and desist.

BitcoinSV is NOT Bitcoin and CSW is NOT Satoshi.

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