Topic: [ANN] BTCJam - Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - page 2. (Read 204973 times)

Can you provide link to his getline profile?

Good advice...I am watching one guy on getline right now who is just teetering on going full scam...he has debts all over and keeps borrowing from getline to pay off his other arrears on Pop and Jam (and who knows elsewhere...eventually it will explode in his face) I do not think he started with an intention to scam- but he is a bullshit artist and wants everyone to think he is a master of industry when in fact he sometimes can`t get a payment in on a 2 BTC loan. Best stick to loans with collateral and if not make sure the purpose for the loan makes sense: investments in crypto should be like investments in fiat: if you don't know about what you are investing in  then don't invest!!

Exactly, rep means nothing. Cause not only people who intent to scam, actually scam. There re bunch of people who ask for a loan with full intention to repay it. Then somebody unpredictable happen and they stop paying. Negative rep s not going to prevent them from doing this if they have no other option. Even if you differentiate and out of 10 loans, 1 becomes non performing, you re gonna lose money. So, unless there is some form of collateral, stay away.

What is stopping "Scammers" by gently build up their rep with small loans, then once they have good rep, loan large amounts then run away with the funds? 

What is stopping "Scammers" by gently build up their rep with small loans, then once they have good rep, loan large amounts then run away with the funds? 

Thanks for kind words. Active community at chat.getline.in is making GetLine different. We are also very picky at approving borrowers and not giving stars to anybody. But if you want to build rep Getline is way to go

Thank you for getline information.
https://getline.in/u/1925

Best advice steer clear of BTCJam...total fraud at this point. Try building a rep up over on BTC Pop or Getline... something with a more active and communicative community that actively help each other point out and prevent scams, BTCJam is in its death throws and will be hopefully soon dead and buried...Serious investors are leaving or have left which is probably why Jam had to lower your rating in order to generate more interest in your loan with the promise of a better return.

Hey btcjam.com please help me with my problem.
https://btcjam.com/users/5828
A year ago, my rating on the website was a B + and interest payments on the loan amounted to 4%. Last month I paid the loan in 16 Bitcoin, and now I found that my rating of B-. And the rate is 7.15% per month.
I would like to take a new loan of $ 10,000 but 7.1% is a lot.
I wrote a letter of support, but they do not want to help me.

Best advice steer clear of BTCJam...total fraud at this point. Try building a rep up over on BTC Pop or Getline... something with a more active and communicative community that actively help each other point out and prevent scams, BTCJam is in its death throws and will be hopefully soon dead and buried...Serious investors are leaving or have left which is probably why Jam had to lower your rating in order to generate more interest in your loan with the promise of a better return.

Hey btcjam.com please help me with my problem.
https://btcjam.com/users/5828
A year ago, my rating on the website was a B + and interest payments on the loan amounted to 4%. Last month I paid the loan in 16 Bitcoin, and now I found that my rating of B-. And the rate is 7.15% per month.
I would like to take a new loan of $ 10,000 but 7.1% is a lot.
I wrote a letter of support, but they do not want to help me.

btiAndy,

What I meant for that was forum software, although the moderators here are well know for censoring posts they don't like here and elsewhere.

It is interesting that the guy that was complaining about us not being hard enough on scammers was letting an obvious scammer post using my account and instead of trying to prevent it he went on to attack me personally.

Bitcointalk has a lending session. What do they do to prevent scammers there? Are the mod's scammers because they let people ask for loans using the forum? What about the ponzi schemes? This forum hosted many of them, are the forum operators responsible since they hosted many of the "obvious" ones? If you prefer the diligence they do go to their lending session and lend your money there.

We do a lot of work to try to remove the scammers from our platform, we hired one person that calls every single new borrower before the listing is posted. We check job references, we check bank accounts, among many other things. Some loans go bad, just like they go bad here and everywhere else.

btiAndy,

What I meant for that was forum software, although the moderators here are well know for censoring posts they don't like here and elsewhere.

It is interesting that the guy that was complaining about us not being hard enough on scammers was letting an obvious scammer post using my account and instead of trying to prevent it he went on to attack me personally.

Bitcointalk has a lending session. What do they do to prevent scammers there? Are the mod's scammers because they let people ask for loans using the forum? What about the ponzi schemes? This forum hosted many of them, are the forum operators responsible since they hosted many of the "obvious" ones? If you prefer the diligence they do go to their lending session and lend your money there.

We do a lot of work to try to remove the scammers from our platform, we hired one person that calls every single new borrower before the listing is posted. We check job references, we check bank accounts, among many other things. Some loans go bad, just like they go bad here and everywhere else.

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AUG 29, 2016  |  10:21PM PDT
Original message
Kanati wrote:

Dear BTCjam Support

I am trying to collect my arbitration award on loan 52286, but the borrower refuses payment saying that he prefers to pay all investors at once using BTCjam, and he is afraid he will end up paying me twice if he sends my bitcoins directly to me.

To what extent does BTCjam remain involved in loans that have already completed the arbitration process, and what are BTCjams obligations to borrowers and investors in these situations? My arbitration award says “In the event that the Arbitrator issues an award in favor of the investor, an investor may enforce that judgment in a court of competent jurisdiction“, So I have been assuming that BTCjam is no longer involved, and it's up to individual investors to collect these debts. On the other hand I have also noticed that "BTCjam Debt Collection" sometimes buys notes, so it would be useful for us investors to know under which circumstances BTCjam will get involved and when we otherwise should expect to collect on defaults ourselves.

Some clarification on this subject would be appreciated.

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Kanati
Subject: What are BTCjams obligations after arbitration? (re: loan 52286)
AUG 30, 2016  |  06:53PM PDT

John replied:

Thank you for your question. We have no involvement with the loan itself and we don’t do collections, we are just a platform that connects lenders and borrowers making it easy for them to both ask and repay the loan. Our platform is available if the borrower chooses to pay through us, even after arbitration.

Best regards,

The BTCjam Customer Support Team

Best,
BTCjam Support Team

From: Kanati
To: Support
Sent: 30-08-2016 09:03
Subject: Please elaborate - Re[2]: What are BTCjams obligations after arbitration? (re: loan 52286)
 
Thank you for your reply.

This borrower (loan 52286) is rejecting my direct request for payment by saying that if he pays me now and then repays everyone else later through BTCjam I would get paid twice - can't the borrower avoid this problem by providing BTCjam with documentation that I have already been paid?

Also, loan 52286 defaulted on 26 April 2016. Does a borrower pay additional interest and late fees accrued after the default date if they choose to repay through BTCjam?


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From: Kanati
To: Support
Cc: (loan 52286 borrower)
Sent: 01-09-2016 21:17
Subject: Conflict of interest? (Case #: 146711.)

Dear BTCjam Support

In your 30 August email (below) you said that BTCjam is not involved in loans, does not do collections, and is only providing a platform to connect lenders and borrowers. You also said that a borrower can "choose" to repay a defaulted loan through the platform after arbitration.

I sent the borrower of loan 52286 a copy of my arbitration award with a request for direct payment. The borrower wrote back refusing to pay me directly, saying instead that I should contact BTCjam Support since you instructed him to repay the entire loan amount through the platform, even though this loan is in default, and even though arbitration awards were issued in April 2016.

If borrower 52286 is telling the truth then it looks like BTCjam is denying me the right collect my debt, which would be in direct conflict with my arbitration award (quote from arbitration award with emphasis added..):

"The total amount owed by the Debtor at the time the Debtor stopped making payments is 6.07352376 bitcoins and is immediately due and payable to the Creditor(s) and their successors and/or assigns as follows:"

<...snip...>

"IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that:

A. Defendant, DEBTOR, is liable to Plaintiffs for the foregoing amounts.

B. Such award is to accrue interest at the maximum statutory rate permitted by the Debtor's jurisdiction.

C. Defendant, DEBTOR, is liable for all collection fees and expenses, including reasonable attorney fees and court costs.

This is a Final Arbitration Award. This 26th day of April, 2016, /s/ Sukhman Dhami, Arbitrator"

Since you never answered my last mail I still have 3 questions for BTCjam support:

1. If BTCjam "does not do debt collections" then why did "BTCjam debt collections" buy out my share of loan 51426 without even asking me first (https://btcjam.com/listings/51426-start-up-venture-investment-in-btc)?

2. In your opinion does the option BTCjam provides borrowers to repay defaulted loans through the platform supersede the lenders right to collect the debt directly after arbitration, and if you think it does then how long will you allow the borrower to wait before they choose to use that option and repay the debt?

3. Will the lender receive interest at the maximum statutory rate permitted by the Debtors jurisdiction after the default date if the borrower chooses to repay through the platform, and does BTCjam charge the borrower any collection fees and expenses, including reasonable attorney fees and court costs for this privilege?

I would appreciate your prompt attention in this matter, and I ask that you also send your reply to this mail Cc to the borrower so I can hopefully spare myself any more insults about me "cheating" him. I also request that the borrower be allowed to download my arbitration award from your website, so that he can see for himself that I did not change the amount of the award (https://btcjam.com/listing_investments/1035698/arbitration_award).

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btiAndy,

What I meant for that was forum software, although the moderators here are well know for censoring posts they don't like here and elsewhere.

It is interesting that the guy that was complaining about us not being hard enough on scammers was letting an obvious scammer post using my account and instead of trying to prevent it he went on to attack me personally.

Bitcointalk has a lending session. What do they do to prevent scammers there? Are the mod's scammers because they let people ask for loans using the forum? What about the ponzi schemes? This forum hosted many of them, are the forum operators responsible since they hosted many of the "obvious" ones? If you prefer the diligence they do go to their lending session and lend your money there.

We do a lot of work to try to remove the scammers from our platform, we hired one person that calls every single new borrower before the listing is posted. We check job references, we check bank accounts, among many other things. Some loans go bad, just like they go bad here and everywhere else.

It is interesting that the guy that was complaining about us not being hard enough on scammers was letting an obvious scammer post using my account and instead of trying to prevent it he went on to attack me personally.

Nice attitude owlcatz.

Unlike BTCJam, this sad excuse for a community forum got it's password hashes and email addresses hacked at least once, as informed by bitcointalk's official twitter account: https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/602017247788343296. That's probably how this thief got the password.

Nice attitude owlcatz.

Unlike BTCJam, this sad excuse for a community forum got it's password hashes and email addresses hacked at least once, as informed by bitcointalk's official twitter account: https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/602017247788343296. That's probably how this thief got the password.