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1% per month!

Technically 12% annually.

If the coins don't start to stake until they mature, and the maturation is 30 days, does that mean they don't gain interest/stakeweight while maturing?

Yes, that is correct : )

Okay, so the POS rate, while technically correct, is misleading.  There is no possible way the coin can yield a 12% return given a 30-day maturation.  This current setup is detrimental to the coin and incentivizes people to keep their wallets shut down.  This does not help the CIF network.

If I deposit 10K CIF in my wallet on Nov 1, it won't start staking until Nov 30.  If it stakes 30-days later I get 100 CIF and then I have to wait another 30 days for it to  mature again.  That means I get 100 CIF in 90 days.  If I deposit the coins and then shut the wallet down and open it a year later, I get the full 12%.  If someone stakes more often than 30 days they are screwed.  

I think CIF has merit, but the reward for being a CIF holder isn't that great under the current setup.  The potential exists for the coins to be maturing for more time than they actually stake. 

You will need to raise the interest rate or lower the maturation period.  People will lose interest rather quickly.  





Hey Agozyen,

So you hit a few points but I want to clarify some things. First and foremost - to stake the wallet has to be ACTIVE AND NOT SHUT DOWN.

The point of staking is to support the network. When someone stakes the wallet has to be connected to the network (we addressed this a little but earlier on in this thread). Shutting down your wallet and removing it from the network will actually stop it from staking. 

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Okay, so the POS rate, while technically correct, is misleading.  There is no possible way the coin can yield a 12% return given a 30-day maturation.  This current setup is detrimental to the coin and incentivizes people to keep their wallets shut down.  This does not help the CIF network.

Lets be clear to define what cold storage is. When I recommend someone have a separate wallet used to hold CIF (for staking) - I mean a non-trading wallet (yet still connected to the network).

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You will need to raise the interest rate or lower the maturation period.  People will lose interest rather quickly.
 

We realize that there is a low interest rate because we created a PoW/PoS hybrid. People can still mine the coin through traditional methods. We made sure to put a limit on the interest earned from PoS since there will be both types of mining going on. We don't want the coin to be mined too quickly by offering a large PoS while running PoW. This was done intentionally.

To be 100% transparent - the PoS/PoW piece is an add on and incentive, but not the main benefit which we hope people to derive from our project and coin. These two pieces are meant to be ancillary items to our core project. We want the community to benefit, however we have a real business objective we feel will also drive up the value of CIF. People should look at the PoS portion of CIF as a nice add on to purchasing CIF coins, in recognition of the importance of the crypto community. We'll deliver much more value to CIF investors through our actual project.

I really hope that addresses your concerns - let me know if something doesn't make sense.




Also perhaps your correct - that 12% annually is a little simplistic when describing PoS. Let's keep it at 1% post maturation and call it a day.That's how we really advertise it anyways.
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1% per month!

Technically 12% annually.

If the coins don't start to stake until they mature, and the maturation is 30 days, does that mean they don't gain interest/stakeweight while maturing?

Yes, that is correct : )

Okay, so the POS rate, while technically correct, is misleading.  There is no possible way the coin can yield a 12% return given a 30-day maturation.  This current setup is detrimental to the coin and incentivizes people to keep their wallets shut down.  This does not help the CIF network.

If I deposit 10K CIF in my wallet on Nov 1, it won't start staking until Nov 30.  If it stakes 30-days later I get 100 CIF and then I have to wait another 30 days for it to  mature again.  That means I get 100 CIF in 90 days.  If I deposit the coins and then shut the wallet down and open it a year later, I get the full 12%.  If someone stakes more often than 30 days they are screwed.  

I think CIF has merit, but the reward for being a CIF holder isn't that great under the current setup.  The potential exists for the coins to be maturing for more time than they actually stake. 

You will need to raise the interest rate or lower the maturation period.  People will lose interest rather quickly.  





Hey Agozyen,

So you hit a few points but I want to clarify some things. First and foremost - to stake the wallet has to be ACTIVE AND NOT SHUT DOWN.

The point of staking is to support the network. When someone stakes the wallet has to be connected to the network (we addressed this a little but earlier on in this thread). Shutting down your wallet and removing it from the network will actually stop it from staking. 

Quote
Okay, so the POS rate, while technically correct, is misleading.  There is no possible way the coin can yield a 12% return given a 30-day maturation.  This current setup is detrimental to the coin and incentivizes people to keep their wallets shut down.  This does not help the CIF network.

Lets be clear to define what cold storage is. When I recommend someone have a separate wallet used to hold CIF (for staking) - I mean a non-trading wallet (yet still connected to the network).

Quote
You will need to raise the interest rate or lower the maturation period.  People will lose interest rather quickly.
 

We realize that there is a low interest rate because we created a PoW/PoS hybrid. People can still mine the coin through traditional methods. We made sure to put a limit on the interest earned from PoS since there will be both types of mining going on. We don't want the coin to be mined too quickly by offering a large PoS while running PoW. This was done intentionally.

To be 100% transparent - the PoS/PoW piece is an add on and incentive, but not the main benefit which we hope people to derive from our project and coin. These two pieces are meant to be ancillary items to our core project. We want the community to benefit, however we have a real business objective we feel will also drive up the value of CIF. People should look at the PoS portion of CIF as a nice add on to purchasing CIF coins, in recognition of the importance of the crypto community. We'll deliver much more value to CIF investors through our actual project.

I really hope that addresses your concerns - let me know if something doesn't make sense.


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1% per month!

Technically 12% annually.

If the coins don't start to stake until they mature, and the maturation is 30 days, does that mean they don't gain interest/stakeweight while maturing?

Yes, that is correct : )

Okay, so the POS rate, while technically correct, is misleading.  There is no possible way the coin can yield a 12% return given a 30-day maturation.  This current setup is detrimental to the coin and incentivizes people to keep their wallets shut down.  This does not help the CIF network.

If I deposit 10K CIF in my wallet on Nov 1, it won't start staking until Nov 30.  If it stakes 30-days later I get 100 CIF and then I have to wait another 30 days for it to  mature again.  That means I get 100 CIF in 90 days.  If I deposit the coins and then shut the wallet down and open it a year later, I get the full 12%.  If someone stakes more often than 30 days they are screwed.  

I think CIF has merit, but the reward for being a CIF holder isn't that great under the current setup.  The potential exists for the coins to be maturing for more time than they actually stake. 

You will need to raise the interest rate or lower the maturation period.  People will lose interest rather quickly.  



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Some questions regarding the CIF ICO

- Is there a minimum limit of BTC for the first ICO period that has to been gained?
- How are the CIF token valued 1 CIF = $0.01 USD? 
 

Hi Emage - Devvie hit the nail on the head but let me elaborate father regarding the evaluation.

So - as our project does require some funding we are looking towards 500 BTC as a minimum. Our project can scale based on the level of contribution however 500 BTC would be comfortable to achieve what we'd like to do. There is no limit per period as the total BTC will be counted over the entirety of the ICO.

Secondly You asked how we pinned a value to CIF

Well - we took a conservative evaluation of $CIF if we hit the 500 BTC target. This allows individuals a better sense of what they'll be receiving once the ICO term is completed and what they can expect CIF to trade at once we release it onto exchanges.

There are two possible outcomes when forecasting a price - either we come in at less than 500 BTC (not ideal) and each individual gets more $CIF per $1 contributed, or we come in a higher than 500 BTC and each CIF that each individual has is now worth more. What we're doing is similar to the forecasting of short run performance of initial public offerings - it's a very common practice when dictating value of a future priced asset.

These are all great questions and I hope that clears some stuff up for you.
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Question... When will tokens appear in a wallet after purchase? It's been 2 days now...  Roll Eyes

Well, ICO purchases are distributed at the end of each ICO phase. Currently, we are at phase 1. That will end before November 1st. You'll then get a proportional amount of $CIF for your purchase (set against the total amount of btc gathered).

So please, a little bit of patience... Your $CIF will come soon enough!


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Some questions regarding the CIF ICO

- Is there a minimum limit of BTC for the first ICO period that has to been gained?
- How are the CIF token valued 1 CIF = $0.01 USD? 
 
No minimum. All $CIF will be distributed proportionally. So early birds really can grab a lot of $CIF here! The 1 cent evaluation is derived from a (I believe) 500 bitcoin ICO (Phase 1 + 2 + 3). If we gather more, value will be higher per $CIF. If we don't reach this (minimum) target, we'll be sadly disappointed ; -)

Thank you for your questions!

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1% per month!

Technically 12% annually.

If the coins don't start to stake until they mature, and the maturation is 30 days, does that mean they don't gain interest/stakeweight while maturing?

Yes, that is correct : )
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Hello, Dev!

Could you please clarify a couple of points!

I correctly understand that the maturity of the coin is 1 month?

Also I would like to understand about POS interest: 1% per month or year?

Thank you in advance!

Hey Evro

1% per month!

Technically 12% annually.

If the coins don't start to stake until they mature, and the maturation is 30 days, does that mean they don't gain interest/stakeweight while maturing?
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Some questions regarding the CIF ICO

- Is there a minimum limit of BTC for the first ICO period that has to been gained?
- How are the CIF token valued 1 CIF = $0.01 USD? 
 
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Question... When will tokens appear in a wallet after purchase? It's been 2 days now...  Roll Eyes

Hi Piktas! Thanks for asking! This is very important that everyone understands how they'll receive their CIF! When Nov 1 comes all CIF will be distributed to everyone who purchased. We added that line item on the site so everyone's aware.

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Hi HTM coin - what do you mean by this?
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Question... When will tokens appear in a wallet after purchase? It's been 2 days now...  Roll Eyes
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Hello, Dev!

Could you please clarify a couple of points!

I correctly understand that the maturity of the coin is 1 month?

Also I would like to understand about POS interest: 1% per month or year?

Thank you in advance!

Hey Evro

1% per month.

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Hello, Dev!

Could you please clarify a couple of points!

I correctly understand that the maturity of the coin is 1 month?

Also I would like to understand about POS interest: 1% per month or year?

Thank you in advance!
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$CIF #ICO is now LIVE! www.cryptoimprovementfund.io is the ONLY place where we'll post the ICO info - don't miss out!

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15 hours until the $CIF #ICO begins! http://www.cryptoimprovementfund.io  is the ONLY place where we'll post the ICO info - don't miss out!

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