Pls find attached premine wallet view key: f221cf4f77d11f0061f3e4c9615540cbc2d2d532ac2f08c623d2a72ad0145d702b7e5941737e041 6eebaba30c3c30b517a14db1efa9aa13b119e31c380313603
Premine is intact... Guess maybe the devs aren't dumping... Hmmm.
Topic: [ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts - page 46. (Read 123199 times)
July 04, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
July 04, 2018, 12:41:56 AM
I'm following this project very closely and hope we'll get a decent wallet soon 
July 03, 2018, 11:07:44 PM
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When earlier everything fell in price, this coin was growing upwards. Unfortunately now it is obvious that something is going wrong ... What happened? Why did people start selling their coins?
When earlier everything fell in price, this coin was growing upwards. Unfortunately now it is obvious that something is going wrong ... What happened? Why did people start selling their coins?
1) DERO abruptly decided to embrace ASICs after months of claiming it would do the opposite, alienating many long time supporters.
2) Some of most public-facing members of the DERO team - community manager --Serena-- and "unspecified role" team member Mojo - have attacked or banned anyone on the DERO Discord and Slack channels who questioned the above decision, much less argued against it. Granted, some of those people were getting tiresome and others were less-than-respectful, but I daresay that part of the job description for community manager is dealing with the angry and upset, and one should be especially sympathetic when there is a very valid reason for that anger (see reason 1).
3) The source code was supposed to be part of the Atlantis release, but it was delayed by "a few days" so that people with a masters or doctorate in cryptography could evaluate it for bugs/exploits; then it was delayed for a month or more so the DERO Foundation can be set up in Malta or Croatia or whatever.
4) Many Q2/18 goals - like the GUI wallet - were shifted to Q3/18, though to be fair, they did dramatically accelerate the development of Atlantis; then again, the reason for that was to fork off ASICs (see reason 1 again).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: good technology - even the best technology - won't save you if you alienate your supporters and flake out on most of your goals, promises and commitments.
Totally agree, they promise something and after all the support a lot menbers of this community gave to them, they just prove themselves to run a project with a lack of planning. And that they are not willing to accomplish what do they offer. Is interesting I used to check this thread every day, after the lies of Atlantis anti asic algo I still try to believe in the project, but every time I came here something have change.
Now they do not release the code as they promise, and are thinking in a foundation, so they just did it once again.
The real problem is that people of this community put o lot of money and time on this and the 3 team members of DERO are making money thought people who just expect that they be more professionals accomplish what do they have promises to this comunity. And the unique answer to that they love to say come back when you feel comfortable. Is evident a lot of people are not buying this so they are selling they coins, just see the markets the las weeks.
I think you need to update your argument if you want it to be effective.
The REAL problem is that I'm running out of ducks to give.
Yes. Ducks. You stay classy, dero.
July 03, 2018, 10:46:29 PM
The project was launched last year. Apparently to get the coins, they will only have to buy
July 03, 2018, 10:31:44 PM
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When earlier everything fell in price, this coin was growing upwards. Unfortunately now it is obvious that something is going wrong ... What happened? Why did people start selling their coins?
When earlier everything fell in price, this coin was growing upwards. Unfortunately now it is obvious that something is going wrong ... What happened? Why did people start selling their coins?
1) DERO abruptly decided to embrace ASICs after months of claiming it would do the opposite, alienating many long time supporters.
2) Some of most public-facing members of the DERO team - community manager --Serena-- and "unspecified role" team member Mojo - have attacked or banned anyone on the DERO Discord and Slack channels who questioned the above decision, much less argued against it. Granted, some of those people were getting tiresome and others were less-than-respectful, but I daresay that part of the job description for community manager is dealing with the angry and upset, and one should be especially sympathetic when there is a very valid reason for that anger (see reason 1).
3) The source code was supposed to be part of the Atlantis release, but it was delayed by "a few days" so that people with a masters or doctorate in cryptography could evaluate it for bugs/exploits; then it was delayed for a month or more so the DERO Foundation can be set up in Malta or Croatia or whatever.
4) Many Q2/18 goals - like the GUI wallet - were shifted to Q3/18, though to be fair, they did dramatically accelerate the development of Atlantis; then again, the reason for that was to fork off ASICs (see reason 1 again).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: good technology - even the best technology - won't save you if you alienate your supporters and flake out on most of your goals, promises and commitments.
Totally agree, they promise something and after all the support a lot menbers of this community gave to them, they just prove themselves to run a project with a lack of planning. And that they are not willing to accomplish what do they offer. Is interesting I used to check this thread every day, after the lies of Atlantis anti asic algo I still try to believe in the project, but every time I came here something have change.
Now they do not release the code as they promise, and are thinking in a foundation, so they just did it once again.
The real problem is that people of this community put o lot of money and time on this and the 3 team members of DERO are making money thought people who just expect that they be more professionals accomplish what do they have promises to this comunity. And the unique answer to that they love to say come back when you feel comfortable. Is evident a lot of people are not buying this so they are selling they coins, just see the markets the las weeks.
July 03, 2018, 07:51:40 PM
I understand the desire to defend something you are emotionally/financially invested in, but if you are turning a blind eye to all of the problems that have transpired over the last 2 weeks then you are actually doing the project a disservice. No one is ever 100% right, 100% of the time, and that includes the DERO team. Dismissing questions or complaints as FUD is easy; coming up with well-reasoned rebuttals is much more difficult, but ultimately more valuable if your goal is to promote, much less improve, DERO.
Reasonable defenses can only be repeated so many times. Dero will be fine whether or not this FUD spree continues. Other cryptonote projects are getting attacked and becoming stale. The fact is, time will tell and this project is very much in it's infancy. Other projects are now becoming older and frail in comparison. Open invitations to attack the network never closed and it's still running along without hiccups. Defending an investment and reading between the lines should not be confused with one another.
Edit: "lack developer" is total FUD, BTW.
July 03, 2018, 11:23:35 AM
what do you think for the dero vision in the long time?
for me the technological level of the project is very valid, but the dero team should increase its relational compradio to the public.
And any criticism must be welcome, it serves to improve.
I am a holder and I believe in the project, but the shot must be corrected. Dev work a code, pr and marketing manager work with the peolple
for me the technological level of the project is very valid, but the dero team should increase its relational compradio to the public.
And any criticism must be welcome, it serves to improve.
I am a holder and I believe in the project, but the shot must be corrected. Dev work a code, pr and marketing manager work with the peolple
I understand the desire to defend something you are emotionally/financially invested in, but if you are turning a blind eye to all of the problems that have transpired over the last 2 weeks then you are actually doing the project a disservice. No one is ever 100% right, 100% of the time, and that includes the DERO team. Dismissing questions or complaints as FUD is easy; coming up with well-reasoned rebuttals is much more difficult, but ultimately more valuable if your goal is to promote, much less improve, DERO.
July 03, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
I understand the desire to defend something you are emotionally/financially invested in, but if you are turning a blind eye to all of the problems that have transpired over the last 2 weeks then you are actually doing the project a disservice. No one is ever 100% right, 100% of the time, and that includes the DERO team. Dismissing questions or complaints as FUD is easy; coming up with well-reasoned rebuttals is much more difficult, but ultimately more valuable if your goal is to promote, much less improve, DERO.
July 02, 2018, 09:31:40 PM
Hi, develop team do you still develop DERO now, I think this project has a brilliant idea but lack developer.
Haha... Cool story, bro.
July 02, 2018, 03:26:11 PM
Hi, develop team do you still develop DERO now, I think this project has a brilliant idea but lack developer.
I'm pretty sure they do continue development (and the devs are very productive from what I've seen): GUI wallets, subaddresses and atomic swaps are all planned for this quarter (plus smart contract testing); and private smart contracts are due to be generally available next quarter. We should also soon see the DERO Foundation set up, the source code released to general availability, and the team beginning to attend conferences and market DERO more widely.
Have a look here for the current state of affairs: https://reddit.com/r/DeroProject/comments/8u8kjm/dero_atlantis_mainnet_officially_released_200x/
July 02, 2018, 02:53:13 PM
Hi, develop team do you still develop DERO now, I think this project has a brilliant idea but lack developer.
July 02, 2018, 02:39:45 PM
Did you see the latest ASIC from Bitmain (Z9 Mini) is an hybrid FPGA / ASIC ? 
July 02, 2018, 02:21:34 PM
Exactly, for some reasons they try to stay under the radar.
And still multiple people come to FUD this unknown coin. Maybe some are full of envy
The amount of FUD for such a small marketcap is pretty extraordinary.
July 02, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
Exactly, for some reasons they try to stay under the radar.
And still multiple people come to FUD this unknown coin. Maybe some are full of envy
July 02, 2018, 12:47:53 PM
Exactly, for some reasons they try to stay under the radar.
July 02, 2018, 11:07:45 AM
Get a grip, GhostPlayer... If you want some DERO, buy some. Otherwise, why such aggression? The reasoning behind the team's decision is sound and has been discussed endlessly and repetitiously now: whatever algorithm you choose, an ASIC can be made. At least with a well-known ASIC algorithm, there is a large hash rate and thus a secure network (much harder to attack). Plus, the ASICs are commercially available from multiple sellers for those who really do want to mine.
DERO has some great technology, has produced some excellent results already, and has an exciting roadmap ahead.
Don't spread conspiracy theories. Moreover, it is good to be charitable, especially to those who have given you this exciting project and asked nothing in return.
DERO has some great technology, has produced some excellent results already, and has an exciting roadmap ahead.
Don't spread conspiracy theories. Moreover, it is good to be charitable, especially to those who have given you this exciting project and asked nothing in return.
I have a grip. That is why I am being so vocal. No agression, I did not use profanity or strong language. But I do get defensive when I smell something is off. And, in some weird way, I do feel an obligation as a trusted member of this community to state my views.
and if anyone knows who i am, you know I as quick to critique as I am to being refuted and if I am wrong - I admit it and appologise.
Innuendo? Maybe. Just pointing out my view. Speaking of agression, what about someone who invested in mining GPU only to have their tables turned? What about the clear censorship? Where is the promissed code? What about those who decided to buy DERO based on the premise that it would not be ASIC mineable? All of these are clearly defrauded.
Luckily, I hold zero Dero and I dont mine this at all, nor will I ever. I am strongly anti-ASIC, but yes, thinking of getting back to mining, may get me a hobby Vegas 64 liquid cooled.
This Dero ASIC argument is total BS. Even if you could control the network 80% and cause mayhem and double spends, the attacker would be caught red handed and a quick fork would resolve this - with zero loss of credibility to the team for acting correctly - not to even start debating the megalithic finantial cost of suh an attempt - to which it would bring zero gains to the attacker.
Get real. I've seen hundreds of projects in the hashrate hands of single majorities, and until no 51% has been truly effective. Monacoin, zencash, bitcoin gold - sure - it can happen - but to this day not one single project went to dust because of a successful attack.
Dero has no great technology, its a mix-match of several known techs. I see no excellent result, no current use case, no MVP.
About your last statement, sorry if I may sound zingy, but you are really either too inexperienced or really have no clue at all.
This is not how you create an open-source decentralized blockchain project.
No offense why don't you go with the your above coins and leave dero alone.
Dero does not have great tech whats the big deal there are 1000s of other coins with great tech move on.
Dero is asic favorable coin. Dero project is not open source if you missed. No gui wallet no big exchanges Anonymous devs premine and much more you even can't dream.
No need to reply.
July 02, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Get a grip, GhostPlayer... If you want some DERO, buy some. Otherwise, why such aggression? The reasoning behind the team's decision is sound and has been discussed endlessly and repetitiously now: whatever algorithm you choose, an ASIC can be made. At least with a well-known ASIC algorithm, there is a large hash rate and thus a secure network (much harder to attack). Plus, the ASICs are commercially available from multiple sellers for those who really do want to mine.
DERO has some great technology, has produced some excellent results already, and has an exciting roadmap ahead.
Don't spread conspiracy theories. Moreover, it is good to be charitable, especially to those who have given you this exciting project and asked nothing in return.
DERO has some great technology, has produced some excellent results already, and has an exciting roadmap ahead.
Don't spread conspiracy theories. Moreover, it is good to be charitable, especially to those who have given you this exciting project and asked nothing in return.
I have a grip. That is why I am being so vocal about it.
No agression, I did not use profanity or strong language. But I do get defensive when I smell something is off. And, in some weird way, I do feel an obligation as a trusted member of this community to state my views.
and if anyone knows who i am, you know I as quick to critique as I am to being refuted and if I am wrong - I admit it and appologise.
Innuendo? Maybe. Just pointing out my view. Speaking of agression, what about someone who invested in mining GPU only to have their tables turned? What about the clear censorship? Where is the promissed code? What about those who decided to buy DERO based on the premise that it would not be ASIC mineable? All of these are clearly defrauded. Everything that was being said would happen, happened the exact opposite way.
Luckily, I hold zero Dero and I dont mine this at all, nor will I ever. I am strongly anti-ASIC, but yes, thinking of getting back to mining, may get me a hobby Vegas 64 liquid cooled.
This Dero ASIC argument is total BS. Even if you could control the network 80% and cause mayhem and double spends, the attacker would be caught red handed and a quick fork would resolve this - with zero loss of credibility to the team for acting correctly - not to even start debating the megalithic finantial cost of suh an attempt - to which it would bring zero gains to the attacker.
Get real. I've seen hundreds of projects in the hashrate hands of single majorities, and until now no 51% has been truly effective. Monacoin, zencash, bitcoin gold - sure - it can happen - but to this day not one single project went to dust because of a successful attack. Where is the financial incentive?
Dero has no great technology, its a mix-match of several known techs. I see no "excellent result", no current use case, no MVP.
just a mineable rolling blockchain, as of now.
About your last statement, sorry if I may sound zingy, but you are really either too inexperienced or really have no clue at all.
This is not how you create an open-source decentralized blockchain project. The way they are behaving belongs to the coorporate boardroom.
July 02, 2018, 10:01:17 AM
Where is the windows wallet,want to try this platform?
You'll probably want https://git.dero.io/DeroProject/atlantis/src/master/dero_windows_amd64.zip (64 bit).
There are instructions for setting up a wallet at https://forum.dero.io/t/create-backup-restore-dero-wallet-in-one-minute/110
(If you find the sync to be too slow, you can speed it up by putting the file at http://seeds.dero.io/atlantis/atlantisDB/derod_database.db in the "mainnet" folder created by the daemon when you first run it. You'll need to complete the sync by running the daemon after doing so, nonetheless.)
July 02, 2018, 09:55:08 AM
Where is the windows wallet,want to try this platform?
July 02, 2018, 09:40:28 AM
Get a grip, GhostPlayer... If you want some DERO, buy some. Otherwise, why such aggression? The reasoning behind the team's decision is sound and has been discussed endlessly and repetitiously now: whatever algorithm you choose, an ASIC can be made. At least with a well-known ASIC algorithm, there is a large hash rate and thus a secure network (much harder to attack). Plus, the ASICs are commercially available from multiple sellers for those who really do want to mine.
DERO has some great technology, has produced some excellent results already, and has an exciting roadmap ahead.
Don't spread conspiracy theories. Moreover, it is good to be charitable, especially to those who have given you this exciting project and asked nothing in return.
DERO has some great technology, has produced some excellent results already, and has an exciting roadmap ahead.
Don't spread conspiracy theories. Moreover, it is good to be charitable, especially to those who have given you this exciting project and asked nothing in return.
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