Topic: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts - page 366. (Read 821138 times)

Thank God Vitalik won't be polluting the ETC community with his morally hazardous opinions.

Keeping him and Tool installed in the kakocracy constituting ETH's Mostly Harmless centralized governance structure is the best outcome for ETC.

hi pumpy the fork thing to change the past is the ETH thing. to fork for a technikal reason to fix a bug  is all the other coins thing.

Brian Armstrong said that Still no plans to support ETC long term, but we will continue to evaluate it.

https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/760992077643706368

really...who? when? and finally how? what if i said im etc dev, would everyone be ok with that   ....did you guys vote on your new leaders or can anyone add code to etc and you will all add it? do you all share the same vision as any new dev? if not will you fork to a new coin..perhaps digital ethereum...DETH lol

I finished watching that video and then the video from today.  The video from today clearly showed the huge and stark differences between immutability and the authoritarian perspective.  Martin clearly stated that if they thought 80% of the community supported something they would do it to include censoring, rolling back transactions, etc.  Which appeared to really go cross purposes with most of the panel and this is clearly what is wrong with Ethereum and those who represent it. The question was asked who is this "community" because many of us who hold or held ethereum knew nothing about any vote.  So it appears to be a very small cross section of people represented.

Next it also seemed to me like the Ethereum position was almost "smug", and laughing at anyone holding a different view point than theirs.  And it also appeared that they were saying tough, we are doing it this way and there really is no reason for ETC to exist.

I liked Charles views and thoughts on Ethereum in today's presentation and it sounds like he is putting his money where his mouth is by hiring developers.  Now it sounds like the community needs to start the round table discussions next to build a consensus and roadmap.  It sounded like Charles was going to push a hybrid POW/POS which does sound very attractive and I would like to hear more.

Charles gets it but it remains to be seen if the current ETC leadership will let him take charge and execute on that vision.

Charles gets it but it remains to be seen if the current ETC leadership will let him take charge and execute on that vision.

Anyone have the link to the Ethereum Classic slack channel?

If there is one, it would also be helpful to update the OP to include that link under the community links section.  

EDIT: found it on the website, here it is for anyone wondering: https://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com

I finished watching that video and then the video from today.  The video from today clearly showed the huge and stark differences between immutability and the authoritarian perspective.  Martin clearly stated that if they thought 80% of the community supported something they would do it to include censoring, rolling back transactions, etc.  Which appeared to really go cross purposes with most of the panel and this is clearly what is wrong with Ethereum and those who represent it. The question was asked who is this "community" because many of us who hold or held ethereum knew nothing about any vote.  So it appears to be a very small cross section of people represented.

Next it also seemed to me like the Ethereum position was almost "smug", and laughing at anyone holding a different view point than theirs.  And it also appeared that they were saying tough, we are doing it this way and there really is no reason for ETC to exist.

I liked Charles views and thoughts on Ethereum in today's presentation and it sounds like he is putting his money where his mouth is by hiring developers.  Now it sounds like the community needs to start the round table discussions next to build a consensus and roadmap.  It sounded like Charles was going to push a hybrid POW/POS which does sound very attractive and I would like to hear more.

It is a fallout because of differences of ideas. Either one is not a bad idea and both could be good ideas. It depends on your style and what you want to happen. In Charles' idea they will be made answerable to VC investors while Vitalik will have none of it taking everything in his own hands. I in Vitalik's case it went bad as we have seen.

Watching this video now... So far it sounds like he likes doing the bidding of the VC(banks).  I hope his views have evolved since ETHF has essentially done the bidding for the investors and insiders by doing the bailout fork.  I will continue watching, but so far he isn't thrilling me with his responses 8 minutes into the video.

Thanks for sharing Paula. :-)

https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Charles-Hoskinson-fired-from-Ethereum  He would not sell out to the banks?

I still hold etc coins mined...I refuse to give them over to these btc baggers even if they drop to 2 cents a coin...just out of principle. I participated in supporting this project since a few days following the 'fork'...so I can comment..right?

Its comical to see the bickering. Who holds boats of Ether and who just is coming in now. #Popcorn time

Vitalik tweeted this several hours ago, in response to the question "Would you support ETC if it had the longer blockchain".  The market is responding.
The return to 0.0040+ after several hours of dips shows that the popular sentiment behind ETC is stronger than just one guy.

Important test - the price goes from 0.0036 to 0.0043 (the tiny green upturn).  Will the hash rate (red line) follow?

i only have few but i dumped my eth for ETC 

well...it was a wild ride...now it's just the baggers picking the bones off the average miners holdings...pump, manipulate...then leave when they've squeezed every last etc out and traded it for btc. Miners, you realize you are now just either selling your hard mined coins at flea market prices or mining to support 'their' coin value..all the while mining to support their 'blockchain'....because the blockchain IS basically centralized in the hands of a few thousand people. It's THEIR blockchain. In a week, maybe two...they will jump off to another coin...leaving miners with electric bills and equipment used that made the baggers more wealthy....while we return to cryptonews to scavage for new releases...
     I realized how this all worked when I saw whales buying their own sells (playing both sides to pump the price). When you have 100-200 btc, you can set up a sell that is high, then buy it yourself....lol...people watching are like 'wow!....look at the buys and the volume...lol...all just manipulated by two or three whales on each exchange. I saw walls on both sells and buys that were so obviously set up to manipulate price and motives of small holders...it was amusing to watch to some extent...they repeat this cycle until the coin is essential gone, until miners hold enough, then they repeat the strategy...I believe this is why some coins are moving to be backed by actual physical things like gold and silver...to create a price to value ratio that is not just completely arbitrary...