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legendary
Activity: 2002
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Ethereum is a serious fundamental asset, and I do not think that its price will drop by 90% of ATH.
Price of Ethereum might fall 90% from its all time high in a bull market. It is probabaly where price will bottom out from all time high. Question is where is the all time high for Ethereum in this bull run? If people think the orice above 4k is all time high for this bull run, they can wait for 80% or 90% discount and enter for a next long term investment.

If they don't believe it, why do they not enter now?

Honestly, Ethereum is a few cryptoccurrencies that I don't believe long term investment with them will cause loses.


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For example, this is how the price of its competitors falls
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/internet-computer
For long-term investments, ethereum is a very promising asset due to lower inflation after the launch of Ethereum 2.0
Newer, younger altcoins will need 4 to 8 years to have a solid position in crypto market. BNB has gone through the first toughest testing period, others should finish it too.

Else, there is no strange to see altcoins with less than 4 years old have very highly volatile price.
Now it is not clear which market, bulls or bears. I think that the bear market is now, because a lot of inexperienced investors bought Ethereum for more than $ 4,000 and manipulators need to force hamsters to sell their coins cheaply.  If the price of Ethereum goes up, then I don't understand who will pay for it?
I am trying to understand various scenarios, but I am more confident that manipulators will not allow new investors to sell their coins at a profit.
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
ETC total network hashrate is 22T and ETH 1.06P , so ETH is much more secure. That could be one of reasons.
ETC was attacked with 51% more than once. It is like bank with low security vs bank with highest possible security.

But after ETH moves to to 2.0 in a risky move, (kiln fork)

The ETC total network hashrate will skyrocket and Ethereum will be the new low security bank.

Ethereum Classic is up 84% in 1 week now.. Easy money...


legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1018
Not your keys, not your coins!
Ethereum is a serious fundamental asset, and I do not think that its price will drop by 90% of ATH.
Price of Ethereum might fall 90% from its all time high in a bull market. It is probabaly where price will bottom out from all time high. Question is where is the all time high for Ethereum in this bull run? If people think the orice above 4k is all time high for this bull run, they can wait for 80% or 90% discount and enter for a next long term investment.

If they don't believe it, why do they not enter now?

Honestly, Ethereum is a few cryptoccurrencies that I don't believe long term investment with them will cause loses.


Quote
For example, this is how the price of its competitors falls
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/internet-computer
For long-term investments, ethereum is a very promising asset due to lower inflation after the launch of Ethereum 2.0
Newer, younger altcoins will need 4 to 8 years to have a solid position in crypto market. BNB has gone through the first toughest testing period, others should finish it too.

Else, there is no strange to see altcoins with less than 4 years old have very highly volatile price.
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 4743
Traders Bet on Ether Staking After Ethereum 2.0 Upgrade

30billion usd has already been locked in the staking pool, but nobody know the price of Ethereum after the hardfork. A crash in the price could in a worst case scenario give a 90% loss of the initial investment... The staking reward is payed in Ethereum and not in fiat.

Ethereum is a serious fundamental asset, and I do not think that its price will drop by 90% of ATH.
For example, this is how the price of its competitors falls
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/internet-computer
For long-term investments, ethereum is a very promising asset due to lower inflation after the launch of Ethereum 2.0
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
Traders Bet on Ether Staking After Ethereum 2.0 Upgrade

30billion usd has already been locked in the staking pool, but nobody know the price of Ethereum after the hardfork. A crash in the price could in a worst case scenario give a 90% loss of the initial investment... The staking reward is payed in Ethereum and not in fiat.
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 4743
Traders Bet on Ether Staking After Ethereum 2.0 Upgrade
Ether staking yields are likely to be in the range of 10% to 15% following the Ethereum 2.0 upgrade, one trader said.
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/03/21/traders-bet-on-ether-staking-after-eth-20-upgrade/
"With the merge test run completed successfully, researchers expect the mainnet launch to happen by the end of June. Observers foresee increased institutional adoption once the Eth 2.0 upgrade is complete."
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
ETH will go POS with annual returns of 7-15% but...

10 million ETH currently locked for trading and waiting for the kiln network to be activated.

This is a huge gamble because nobody knows if it will work, or what the price of ethereum will be afterwards. The Ethereum network will be vulnerable for attack during the transition, and small bugs or problems will probobly cause panic and price decline.

1. Hedgefunds and traders will sell Ethereum as before it goes POS and convert to other POW coins.  (Historically a smart move)
2. In the short term after the merge, miners will need to dump 1 usd billion worth of ethereum to cover the electicity cost, and probobly move the rest of their funds over to other minable coins to support mining.
3. When the 10 million ethereum finally unlocks and the price has fallen, the value might decrease further. Because 7% of $300 ? was not the profit the investors signed up for..


May be this is the beginning of the ETC/ETH flippening. With the support of all miners, anything can happen. And there is still a lot of room for an exponential growth.

Make sense to swap ETH with ETC. With the increased mining, Ethereum Classic will become much stronger and secure than Ethereum.
With a flood of miners entering the coin and supporting the network we might see exponential growth.

With 1 Ethereum Classic at $3000  and Ethereum at $300, the mining profit will stay the same as before. NVIDIA and AMD can continue to flood the market with graphic cards and make $$$ billions...
legendary
Activity: 1891
Merit: 3096
All good things to those who wait
ETC is on fire on Coinbase. 50-60% in few days! Currently there is 10% arbitrage compared to other exchanges. And since the transactions to Coinbase take days, it will remain for some time. May be this is the beginning of the ETC/ETH flippening. With the support of all miners, anything can happen. And there is still a lot of room for an exponential growth.
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
Ethereum is generating around $1.02 Billion worth every month in mining revenue. Out of the $12 billion yearly profit we can estimate that the miners have invested 2-3 times that amount in equipment alone.

36 BUSD - 48 BUSD of investments from companies and individuals will be removed from supporting Ethereum, and move to other coins..


https://coinmarketcap.com/



ETC could easily go 10x the money with the support of miners.

Up to $390

Every time a POW coin goes POS, I move my money out of it.

The ethereum KILN fork is being tested (final fork before the move to POS). The estimated date for the move to POS is end of June.
hero member
Activity: 1928
Merit: 538
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 4743
ETH 2.0 merge is imminent according to zerohedge.com

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/ethereum-20-merge-imminent-after-successful-test-will-lay-rest-energy-concerns

what do you think zasad ?
Excellent pajamas from Vitalik
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59305521

A good article that collects the latest important news about Ethereum
https://weekinethereumnews.com/week-in-ethereum-news-march-12-2022/
I think that the Merge should definitely happen this year if no errors are found in the last Kiln testnet.
member
Activity: 402
Merit: 45
ETH 2.0 merge is imminent according to zerohedge.com

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/ethereum-20-merge-imminent-after-successful-test-will-lay-rest-energy-concerns

what do you think zasad ?
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 4743
https://medium.com/electric-capital/electric-capital-developer-report-2021-f37874efea6d

"Executive Summary
Web3 developers are at an all-time high and growing faster than ever.
18,000+ monthly active developers commit code in open source crypto and Web3 projects
34,000+ new developers committed code in 2021 — the highest in history
4,000+ monthly active open-source developers work on Ethereum, 680+ open-source developers work on Bitcoin
20%+ of new Web3 developers join the Ethereum ecosystem
65% of active developers in Web3 joined in 2021; 45% of full-time developers in Web3 joined in 2021
There are several vibrant ecosystems emerging beyond Bitcoin and Ethereum.
The largest ecosystems are Ethereum, Bitcoin, Polkadot, Cosmos, Solana, BSC, NEAR, Avalanche, Tezos, Polygon, and Cardano, each with 250+ monthly active developers
Polkadot, Solana, NEAR, BSC, Avalanche, and Terra are growing faster than Ethereum did at similar points in its history
2,500+ developers are working on DeFi projects. Less than 1,000 full-time developers are responsible for over $100 billion in total value locked in smart contracts"


61 page report
https://github.com/electric-capital/developer-reports/blob/master/dev_report_2021_updated_012622.pdf
newbie
Activity: 12
Merit: 0
Hi Vitalik, I'll see you at the Miami conference.  If you could give your thoughts on these questions, it would be much appreciated.  I am very interested in this project.

NECESSITY OF A NEW BLOCKCHAIN
The whitepaper states that colored coins inherit the same limitations as the bitcoin protocol.  Metacoins do not, but they cannot be truly secure without having a copy of the blockchain.  How big of a problem is this?  Hasn't the Electrum model worked for Bitcoin?  Is there a big issue with just querying a bunch of supernodes to see if they all give the same result?  Is it necessary to have absolute security with every contract, or only very high value transactions?  Is it correct that metacoin clients won't need the first 14gb of the blockchain?

BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN SIZE
Bitcoin Magazine's analysis showed that since storage capacity and internet bandwidth follow Moore's law, the blockchain size will not be a problem to store on phones.  How many years from now should we predict that the blockchain size will become irrelevant?  If the blockchain size were irrelevant, would ethereum still be necessary?  How much demand is there for blockchain contracts at this time, and how fast should we expect demand to accelerate?

ETHEREUM BLOCKCHAIN
How fast should we estimate the ethereum blockchain size will grow?  What will be the effects of ethereum blockchain size growth several orders of magnitude greater than Bitcoin?  Will this lead to more mining centralisation?

TURING COMPLETENESS
Is it reasonable to think the client can be sandboxed?  What will be the effects of these, since the protocol is Turing complete:  viruses, malware, adware, keyloggers, scam contracts, wallet stealers

ILLEGAL CONTRACTS
What will be the effects of illegal contracts? An assassination market, for example?  Will the Silk Road be able to run on ethereum?  Will a database of child porn be able to be stored?  If there is child porn stored on the blockchain that is easily accessible, will it be legal to store the blockchain in any country?  What will be the effects of running all the clients over Tor by default?  Can a 60s block time with huge blocks work over Tor?

SATOSHI'S ARGUMENTS
In 2010, satoshi succesfully argued against including Namecoin into bitcoin, suggesting merge-mining instead.

     "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
     Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
     The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."  -- Satoshi

You can view the rest of his arguments in the thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.0;all

DEVELOPER COMMENTS
I have not seen any core bitcoin developers comment on ethereum.   Is there somewhere besides the reddit and the thread on bitcointalk about it?
I am not very technical, so sorry if some of my questions are invalid or stated incorrectly.  I also posted this on reddit.com/r/ethereum.
Blockchain system will always be the main thing in this world, so blockhain gaming also could live much years just like everything. Hoping also on eth's backup, you know all what is like when you stake some of them, i'm still planning to hold, but we'll see what's going on. For now i keep my head calm, looking at gaming and p2e developments from enjin and engn, as well as keep holding tokens and farm on aqru and refi.

Blockchain gaming definitely has a lot of potential and p2e is one of my faves. Especially Engine which you mentioned!
newbie
Activity: 55
Merit: 0
Hi Vitalik, I'll see you at the Miami conference.  If you could give your thoughts on these questions, it would be much appreciated.  I am very interested in this project.

NECESSITY OF A NEW BLOCKCHAIN
The whitepaper states that colored coins inherit the same limitations as the bitcoin protocol.  Metacoins do not, but they cannot be truly secure without having a copy of the blockchain.  How big of a problem is this?  Hasn't the Electrum model worked for Bitcoin?  Is there a big issue with just querying a bunch of supernodes to see if they all give the same result?  Is it necessary to have absolute security with every contract, or only very high value transactions?  Is it correct that metacoin clients won't need the first 14gb of the blockchain?

BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN SIZE
Bitcoin Magazine's analysis showed that since storage capacity and internet bandwidth follow Moore's law, the blockchain size will not be a problem to store on phones.  How many years from now should we predict that the blockchain size will become irrelevant?  If the blockchain size were irrelevant, would ethereum still be necessary?  How much demand is there for blockchain contracts at this time, and how fast should we expect demand to accelerate?

ETHEREUM BLOCKCHAIN
How fast should we estimate the ethereum blockchain size will grow?  What will be the effects of ethereum blockchain size growth several orders of magnitude greater than Bitcoin?  Will this lead to more mining centralisation?

TURING COMPLETENESS
Is it reasonable to think the client can be sandboxed?  What will be the effects of these, since the protocol is Turing complete:  viruses, malware, adware, keyloggers, scam contracts, wallet stealers

ILLEGAL CONTRACTS
What will be the effects of illegal contracts? An assassination market, for example?  Will the Silk Road be able to run on ethereum?  Will a database of child porn be able to be stored?  If there is child porn stored on the blockchain that is easily accessible, will it be legal to store the blockchain in any country?  What will be the effects of running all the clients over Tor by default?  Can a 60s block time with huge blocks work over Tor?

SATOSHI'S ARGUMENTS
In 2010, satoshi succesfully argued against including Namecoin into bitcoin, suggesting merge-mining instead.

     "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
     Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
     The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."  -- Satoshi

You can view the rest of his arguments in the thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.0;all

DEVELOPER COMMENTS
I have not seen any core bitcoin developers comment on ethereum.   Is there somewhere besides the reddit and the thread on bitcointalk about it?
I am not very technical, so sorry if some of my questions are invalid or stated incorrectly.  I also posted this on reddit.com/r/ethereum.
Blockchain system will always be the main thing in this world, so blockhain gaming also could live much years just like everything. Hoping also on eth's backup, you know all what is like when you stake some of them, i'm still planning to hold, but we'll see what's going on. For now i keep my head calm, looking at gaming and p2e developments from enjin and engn, as well as keep holding tokens and farm on aqru and refi.

Yeah i really like the gaming niche myself as well. I actually came across #PYR and #ENGN and can't decide which one should i go for, i really like #ENGN's new game that looks like Fortnite on steroids.
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Hi Vitalik, I'll see you at the Miami conference.  If you could give your thoughts on these questions, it would be much appreciated.  I am very interested in this project.

NECESSITY OF A NEW BLOCKCHAIN
The whitepaper states that colored coins inherit the same limitations as the bitcoin protocol.  Metacoins do not, but they cannot be truly secure without having a copy of the blockchain.  How big of a problem is this?  Hasn't the Electrum model worked for Bitcoin?  Is there a big issue with just querying a bunch of supernodes to see if they all give the same result?  Is it necessary to have absolute security with every contract, or only very high value transactions?  Is it correct that metacoin clients won't need the first 14gb of the blockchain?

BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN SIZE
Bitcoin Magazine's analysis showed that since storage capacity and internet bandwidth follow Moore's law, the blockchain size will not be a problem to store on phones.  How many years from now should we predict that the blockchain size will become irrelevant?  If the blockchain size were irrelevant, would ethereum still be necessary?  How much demand is there for blockchain contracts at this time, and how fast should we expect demand to accelerate?

ETHEREUM BLOCKCHAIN
How fast should we estimate the ethereum blockchain size will grow?  What will be the effects of ethereum blockchain size growth several orders of magnitude greater than Bitcoin?  Will this lead to more mining centralisation?

TURING COMPLETENESS
Is it reasonable to think the client can be sandboxed?  What will be the effects of these, since the protocol is Turing complete:  viruses, malware, adware, keyloggers, scam contracts, wallet stealers

ILLEGAL CONTRACTS
What will be the effects of illegal contracts? An assassination market, for example?  Will the Silk Road be able to run on ethereum?  Will a database of child porn be able to be stored?  If there is child porn stored on the blockchain that is easily accessible, will it be legal to store the blockchain in any country?  What will be the effects of running all the clients over Tor by default?  Can a 60s block time with huge blocks work over Tor?

SATOSHI'S ARGUMENTS
In 2010, satoshi succesfully argued against including Namecoin into bitcoin, suggesting merge-mining instead.

     "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
     Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
     The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."  -- Satoshi

You can view the rest of his arguments in the thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.0;all

DEVELOPER COMMENTS
I have not seen any core bitcoin developers comment on ethereum.   Is there somewhere besides the reddit and the thread on bitcointalk about it?
I am not very technical, so sorry if some of my questions are invalid or stated incorrectly.  I also posted this on reddit.com/r/ethereum.
Blockchain system will always be the main thing in this world, so blockhain gaming also could live much years just like everything. Hoping also on eth's backup, you know all what is like when you stake some of them, i'm still planning to hold, but we'll see what's going on. For now i keep my head calm, looking at gaming and p2e developments from enjin and engn, as well as keep holding tokens and farm on aqru and refi.
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 4743
https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/status/1503751069528207360
"Kiln about to run through The Merge 👀 Probably 2-5 minutes left ⏳!"
https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/status/1503752683701870592
"And it seems to have worked 🎉 Post-merge blocks are being produced by validators, and they contain transactions! "
https://explorer.kiln.themerge.dev/block/55138/transactions#txs
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1681
Payment Gateway Allows Recurring Payments
Vitalik Buterin's latest tweets about the war in Ukraine. Is everything really going according to plan in Ethereum, or does Vitalik have nothing to write about Ethereum?
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 4743
Five indicators that the Ethereum merge will occur in June, 2022
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethstaker/comments/tbql1n/five_indicators_that_the_ethereum_merge_will/
"All of these indicators suggest strongly that the merge is on track and will be deployed in June 2022. Here's a funny thing about my prediction: I'd rather steadfastly predict June and be wrong, than lower the community expectation and be right. Lets keep pushing for June."
sr. member
Activity: 2156
Merit: 323
Dune Analytics data show that Ethereum's ETH 2.0 staking contract currently has $10 million worth of ETH valued at more than $26 billion ahead of an upcoming upgrade to a proof-of-stake blockchain. In November 2020, ETH 2.0 staking went live. Now, we've passed that milestone nearly 15 months later.

sources: https://dune.xyz/hagaetc/eth2-0-deposits
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