[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - page 803.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

You made your point pretty clear, thank you. Now can you explain why ETH (the righteous fork) doesn't roll back other thefts and losses, just that one DAO thing?

a precedent has been set::

Do you want to be on the chain that is mutable or not

The ETC chain gives you that choice, and has a market vaule of over 100M supporting that choice.

so their is nothing to argue about the more immutable version ETC has a value proposition, much it seems to the chargin of the ETH only crowd, and disbelief. They did not appreciate the strength of what they were doing...code is law!

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bitpoop your a troll , a troll with a soul lol Tongue

this pic should be front page of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0lol remove the etc logo bro lol

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 09:38:27 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 09:23:52 PM

you wanna fork....ok i give u ****** fork lol

who else want fork ******* lol

Vitalik seems to have gained weight in that photo. Must be all that stress and hard work.

I have to correct you though. I don't want a fork or a spoon or anything. I'm curious what are the criteria for a bail out fork. Since you don't know the answer could you please move aside and let someone else try. Thanks.

lol , thats our big bro bitpoop in the morn after his shwarma n toast ... Tongue

Kinda looks like me actually

...people thought i was jokin lol ... Wink

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ok suchmoon , he said tell him to watch this....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izR8ATVgDwA I want a fork!!!

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 09:23:52 PM

you wanna fork....ok i give u ****** fork lol
who else want fork ******* lol

Vitalik seems to have gained weight in that photo. Must be all that stress and hard work.

I have to correct you though. I don't want a fork or a spoon or anything. I'm curious what are the criteria for a bail out fork. Since you don't know the answer could you please move aside and let someone else try. Thanks.

ok ok...wait there..ill go get Vitailik..,.......im sure he is really curious on the thoughts of "Suchmoon" and will directly respond to you very soon.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 09:23:52 PM

you wanna fork....ok i give u ****** fork lol

who else want fork ******* lol

Vitalik seems to have gained weight in that photo. Must be all that stress and hard work.

I have to correct you though. I don't want a fork or a spoon or anything. I'm curious what are the criteria for a bail out fork. Since you don't know the answer could you please move aside and let someone else try. Thanks.

lol , thats our big bro bitpoop in the morn after his shwarma n toast ... Tongue

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 09:23:52 PM

you wanna fork....ok i give u ****** fork lol

who else want fork ******* lol

Vitalik seems to have gained weight in that photo. Must be all that stress and hard work.

I have to correct you though. I don't want a fork or a spoon or anything. I'm curious what are the criteria for a bail out fork. Since you don't know the answer could you please move aside and let someone else try. Thanks.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 08:44:15 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 07:38:39 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

You made your point pretty clear, thank you. Now can you explain why ETH (the righteous fork) doesn't roll back other thefts and losses, just that one DAO thing?

dao coins that were stolen could only be retreived because there was a 30+day withdraw limit

The same applies here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v0v9k/someone_just_split_from_the_dao_and_drained_it/

38k ETH here: http://etherscan.io/address/0x10abb5efecdc09581f8b7cb95791fe2936790b4e

Why not another fork?

There are other provably unspendable or otherwise bogus contracts. Why not another fork to refund those?

you wanna fork....ok i give u ****** fork lol

who else want fork ******* lol

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Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 03:59:32 PM

Last years BTC's price slumped below $173 dollars.

Clearly, not caring about criminal activity, has and does wipe Billions of dollars off a crypto currencies Market Capitalisation.

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 03, 2016, 08:14:21 PM

I think people investing in ETC have a poor grasp on what adds value to every tool or service ever created.

So, I will put this into a binary explanation:

Direction A: removes flaws or aspects that reduce the value of the tool or service.

Direction B: add new features or improvements to the that tool or service.

Because Ethereum is a crypto currency, Direction A and Direction B will frequently require hard forks and soft forks, otherwise increases in the value of that tool or service can never happen.

I really don't think a crypto currency that never does any hard forks or soft forks will have any scope to increase its' fundamental value, because it will have very little scope to do either Direction.

I'll just let you argue with yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bitcoin+price&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 07:38:39 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

You made your point pretty clear, thank you. Now can you explain why ETH (the righteous fork) doesn't roll back other thefts and losses, just that one DAO thing?

dao coins that were stolen could only be retreived because there was a 30+day withdraw limit

The same applies here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v0v9k/someone_just_split_from_the_dao_and_drained_it/

38k ETH here: http://etherscan.io/address/0x10abb5efecdc09581f8b7cb95791fe2936790b4e

Why not another fork?

There are other provably unspendable or otherwise bogus contracts. Why not another fork to refund those?

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Quote from: Gerolamo on August 04, 2016, 08:24:50 PM

Quote from: charleshoskinson on August 04, 2016, 03:47:54 PM

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Quite wrong!

Businesses spend huge amounts of money to ensure they avoid being the victims of criminal activity.

A Network, that does care about criminal activity, is a Network no-one will want to build a business on.

ETC statistics of not caring about criminal activity are:

1) DAO theft of 3.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

2) Replay theft of 7.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

There has been over a billion dollars of theft in the Bitcoin ecosystem. When are the care police going to show up there? Should I hold my breath?

Everyone Do not be fooled.

Charleshoskinson is Scammer.
Steal money from Japanese people.

Charles sell at incredible High price 'ADACOIN'.

CARDANO Foundation is Scam company.
charles is Main Partners.
https://cardanofoundation.org/
http://cardano.io/about.html

IOHK is Scam company.

'Attain Corporation' is Japanese Scam company.
charles is Main Partners.
http://attaincorp.co.jp/en/company/

ADACOIN is Japan limited sale
Very strange.

Scam targeting the Japanese.
Look This. Japan only.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cardano.io

ADA Lecture Pic.
salesman Charles!
https://www.facebook.com/attaincorp/photos/pcb.465701913622759/465694080290209/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/attaincorp/posts/463442817182002
https://www.facebook.com/attaincorp/posts/425484124311205

ADA = $1000!

Next The following are plans to sell in ALL Asia.

I Repeat.
Charleshoskinson is Scammer.

wrong forum m8,lol you wana go here...https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-etc-ethereum-classic-immutable-smart-contracts-1559630
beware its moderated ...you might need to paste it a few times there,lol

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Quote from: charleshoskinson on August 04, 2016, 03:47:54 PM

Quote

Quite wrong!

Businesses spend huge amounts of money to ensure they avoid being the victims of criminal activity.

A Network, that does care about criminal activity, is a Network no-one will want to build a business on.

ETC statistics of not caring about criminal activity are:

1) DAO theft of 3.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

2) Replay theft of 7.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

There has been over a billion dollars of theft in the Bitcoin ecosystem. When are the care police going to show up there? Should I hold my breath?

Everyone Do not be fooled.

Charleshoskinson is Scammer.
Steal money from Japanese people.

Charles sell at incredible High price 'ADACOIN'.

CARDANO Foundation is Scam company.
charles is Main Partners.
https://cardanofoundation.org/
http://cardano.io/about.html

IOHK is Scam company.

'Attain Corporation' is Japanese Scam company.
charles is Main Partners.
http://attaincorp.co.jp/en/company/

ADACOIN is Japan limited sale
Very strange.

Scam targeting the Japanese.
Look This. Japan only.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cardano.io

ADA Lecture Pic.
salesman Charles!
https://www.facebook.com/attaincorp/photos/pcb.465701913622759/465694080290209/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/attaincorp/posts/463442817182002
https://www.facebook.com/attaincorp/posts/425484124311205

ADA = $1000!

Next The following are plans to sell in ALL Asia.

I Repeat.
Charleshoskinson is Scammer.

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on August 04, 2016, 07:38:39 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

You made your point pretty clear, thank you. Now can you explain why ETH (the righteous fork) doesn't roll back other thefts and losses, just that one DAO thing?

dao coins that were stolen could only be retreived because there was a 30+day withdraw limit

this appeared to be the ultimate safeguard..

Mrpumperitis

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

You made your point pretty clear, thank you. Now can you explain why ETH (the righteous fork) doesn't roll back other thefts and losses, just that one DAO thing?

dao coins that were stolen could only be retreived because there was a 30+day withdraw limit

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Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

You made your point pretty clear, thank you. Now can you explain why ETH (the righteous fork) doesn't roll back other thefts and losses, just that one DAO thing?

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Quote from: LiQio on August 03, 2016, 11:17:13 PM

Quote from: tylerderden on August 03, 2016, 05:47:38 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 03, 2016, 05:38:48 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 03, 2016, 12:47:59 PM

The Ethereum Foundation has 12 million ETC and it can send the price of ETC to one satoshis in matter of hours.

This applies to any fork using the ETH blockchain, those forks can be wiped out (in terms of there BTC price) overnight by Ethereum Foundation.

ETH is the controversially hard forked (bailout) chain. ETC is the original chain; it isn't a fork. I'm not sure how you could not understand that by now. Have you ever used Bitcoin?

No other branch has the support ETC enjoys.

If the EF "dumps to zero" it would be most welcome, as we ETC investors could then cost average down by as much as we like, with full confidence the price will rise after the flash crash.

Please Vitalik, give me the opportunity to buy ETC for "one satoshis." Grin

I've noticed most of these eth fanatics have no grasp on crypto at all, let alone forks, why you don't fuck with the blockchain etc..

I've noticed that iCEBREAKER has his very own agenda.
There is no "grasp on crypto".

You speculate on my conspiratorial motivations, yet fail to disclose what you believe them to be. Shocked

And you don't bother to refute the facts I related wrt ETC = original unforked branch.

If you don't understand ETH is the controversially hard forked branch, you don't have a good grasp on crypto.

No wonder your agenda is supporting the endless scam-ception platform known as NXT.

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Quote from: roselee on August 04, 2016, 04:31:51 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 04:20:35 PM

You do realize that the "replay theft" (where did you get the 7.5m figure?) was a combination of the hasty hardfork and the ineptitude of some exchanges and/or users? Is ETH going to roll that back too? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting. ETC doesn't care, but ETH the crime-fighting network does, so they fork again now?

plus the ETH fork did not report the thief , did nothing to find him/she, didnt investigate who was it. and i guess on the ETH forked chain all evidence of the theft is gone.

According to ETC proponents,

1) there was no "thief"
2) there was no "theft"

because "code is law" and now the hacker is the rightful owner of his (ETC) tokens.
So there is no reason to investigate according to ETC folks (hacker might be one of them). Grin

BTW: Have those ETH bastards even magically erased all that evidence of non theft from the pre fork chain?
BTW2: You cannot have your cake and eat it...

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Quote from: charleshoskinson on August 04, 2016, 03:47:54 PM

Quote

Quite wrong!

Businesses spend huge amounts of money to ensure they avoid being the victims of criminal activity.

A Network, that does care about criminal activity, is a Network no-one will want to build a business on.

ETC statistics of not caring about criminal activity are:

1) DAO theft of 3.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

2) Replay theft of 7.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

There has been over a billion dollars of theft in the Bitcoin ecosystem. When are the care police going to show up there? Should I hold my breath?

never, they cant
lol and another person that doesnt understand Ethereum ....lol

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I don't want to labour the point (over state this) about the effect of high crime activity reducing the willingness of people to set up businesses on a Network place.

But, if you read a basic Sociology book, nothing challenging e.g. A' Level standard (for people aged 16-18) it will run through statistics related geographical regions with higher levels of criminal activity and reduction in peoples willingness to build businesses there.

Essentially, it will explain the basics, places that become locations for high levels of criminal activity, see a corresponding reductions in people's willingness to build businesses in those places.

Places with low levels of criminal activity, have higher levels of people trying to build businesses there.

Clearly, this piece of Sociology will effect the Market Capitalisation of Crypto Currencies.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 04, 2016, 04:20:35 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 03:43:52 PM

Quote from: roselee on August 04, 2016, 03:24:47 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 01:38:39 PM

Quote from: becoin on August 04, 2016, 01:27:08 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on August 04, 2016, 12:51:28 PM

Yelp, I'd agree, because no-one is going to want to build a business around a Network that does not care about criminal activity.

lol
Money doesn't care about criminal activity!
Money is Neutral with N like in Nature.
Does Nature care about criminal activities?

If Money isn't neutral that is not Money but coupons, vouchers, stamps, checks, tickets, bonds, certificates, notes, tokens... everything you want, but not Money! Money should account for everything that is in the economy and certainly crime is a part of every economy. There are many efficient ways to fight crime but destroying money isn't one of them because you'll make more harm than good!

A bitcoin in the hand of a criminal has same purchasing power like other bitcoins. Well, that is money!

Yeah, Bitcoin was 1st crypto coin - there was no choice.

Now, business minded people can pick from up to 300 Alts Coins and when presented with this kind of choice?

Business minded people will not build a business on a Network, which does not care about criminal activity.

Ethereum has set a new "Gold Standard", by taking measures to prove to business minded people, that they won't passively accept criminal activity on the Network.

this is bs

immutability would be gold standard
what biz wants to run on a chain that can be rolled back and with a roll back be on risk that your biz data gets setback to beginning ?
happend to all the child daos they call it now colaterals

some got there investment back but others the colaterals have to fear if or if not they get there invest back not becouse of the attacker no they got on risk with it becouse of the fork.
and the fork didnt do good to all of us

Quite wrong!

Businesses spend huge amounts of money to ensure they avoid being the victims of criminal activity.

A Network, that does care about criminal activity, is a Network no-one will want to build a business on.

ETC statistics of not caring about criminal activity are:

1) DAO theft of 3.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

2) Replay theft of 7.5 million coins, they don't care about it on the ETC Network.

You do realize that the "replay theft" (where did you get the 7.5m figure?) was a combination of the hasty hardfork and the ineptitude of some exchanges and/or users? Is ETH going to roll that back too? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting. ETC doesn't care, but ETH the crime-fighting network does, so they fork again now?

plus the ETH fork did not report the thief , did nothing to find him/she, didnt investigate who was it. and i guess on the ETH forked chain all evidence of the theft is gone.

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