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Topic: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard) - page 348. (Read 961474 times)

legendary
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It is technically possible to create contracts that release funds over time. I am not sure why you think that would be abused when everything will be public, and we are not anonymous and would be held accountable, but only a small amount will be available at a time and it won't be abused as that makes no sense, and would ruin the value of the developers funds that will be released over time as well. Your fears or FUD is misplaced, but if you have doubts just wait and see how it goes over time, and you can always mine or trade it later once you have enough proof to satisfy you. Obviously some people will never be happy, but why would we ruin a project that is funding us over a year? (or longer if the community votes for it later, or there is POS on our coins... and so on) We wouldn't do that, that makes no sense.


Who talk about an abuse or you being anon / scammers? It's just a matter or making math proofs not human proofs. Ethereum is a fresh wave in crypto world and you remind old premine crap from the past.



If you dont like it - dont mine it...  It's as simple as that
I don't think you should comment it this way. So many scams behind, right?


legendary
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If you feel like I *cant* have enough proof for you then now is a good time for you to move on to something else. Since you are a programmer, start your own fork that embodies your desires.

Basically there's no proof at all. Also I have no need to embody anything here, I just believe that 90+ % premine has negative impact, also claiming that 90% of it goes community is false. Nothing else, I am here because I find this project very interesting.
hero member
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If you dont like it - dont mine it...  It's as simple as that

that is pretty much what it boils down to m8
legendary
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If you dont like it - dont mine it...  It's as simple as that
legendary
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...

First of all, seems like you don't understand that I am programmer.
Second, this contract proofs nothing.
Third, devs will control most of supply for many months therefore whole premine will be under their control.

Basically TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS MOMENT TO ACHIEVE GUARANTED COMMUNITY RESERVE YOU CLAIM TO CREATE.




It is technically possible to create contracts that release funds over time. I am not sure why you think that would be abused when everything will be public, and we are not anonymous and would be held accountable, but only a small amount will be available at a time and it won't be abused as that makes no sense, and would ruin the value of the developers funds that will be released over time as well. Your fears or FUD is misplaced, but if you have doubts just wait and see how it goes over time, and you can always mine or trade it later once you have enough proof to satisfy you. Obviously some people will never be happy, but why would we ruin a project that is funding us over a year? (or longer if the community votes for it later, or there is POS on our coins... and so on) We wouldn't do that, that makes no sense.
legendary
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Franko is Freedom
...

First of all, seems like you don't understand that I am programmer.
Second, this contract proofs nothing.
Third, devs will control most of supply for many months therefore whole premine will be under their control.

Basically TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS MOMENT TO ACHIEVE GUARANTED COMMUNITY RESERVE YOU CLAIM TO CREATE.


First of all, seems like you don't understand that I am a programmer.
Second, if this contract doesnt prove anything to you then you are just begging the question and no proof will satisfy you.
Third, the contract that holds the dev funds cant vote. O_O, so you are only partially correct.. For 11 days lol we will have the majority vote with our initial release of funds.

If you feel like I *cant* have enough proof for you then now is a good time for you to move on to something else. Since you are a programmer, start your own fork that embodies your desires.
sr. member
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Director - www.cubeform.io

does CPU mining make sense with EXP?



If you only own a CPU then it of course makes sense.

OCminer released the MPOS open source Ethereum mining pool code. Where are all the pools? Remember back in the day when there was like 10 pools before launch set up... and then remember when half of them were scams and stole your coins. LOL

He posted it on the last page:

https://exp.suprnova.cc


AMAZING! Is there a windows 10 64-bit miner available for dagger-hashimoto algorithm yet?


64bit ethminer runs on windows 10. The one provided here for exp Grin
legendary
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8b 16b DEMOSCENE FTW
...

First of all, seems like you don't understand that I am programmer.
Second, this contract proofs nothing.
Third, devs will control most of supply for many months therefore whole premine will be under their control.

Basically TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS MOMENT TO ACHIEVE GUARANTED COMMUNITY RESERVE YOU CLAIM TO CREATE.


newbie
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My body is ready !!
legendary
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An example of a DAO contract

Code:
contract token { mapping (address => uint) public coinBalanceOf;   function token() { }   function sendCoin(address receiver, uint amount) returns(bool sufficient) {  } }


contract Democracy {

    uint public minimumQuorum;
    uint public debatingPeriod;
    token public voterShare;
    address public founder;
    Proposal[] public proposals;
    uint public numProposals;

    event ProposalAdded(uint proposalID, address recipient, uint amount, bytes32 data, string description);
    event Voted(uint proposalID, int position, address voter);
    event ProposalTallied(uint proposalID, int result, uint quorum, bool active);

    struct Proposal {
        address recipient;
        uint amount;
        bytes32 data;
        string description;
        uint creationDate;
        bool active;
        Vote[] votes;
        mapping (address => bool) voted;
    }

    struct Vote {
        int position;
        address voter;
    }

    function Democracy(token _voterShareAddress, uint _minimumQuorum, uint _debatingPeriod) {
        founder = msg.sender; 
        voterShare = token(_voterShareAddress);
        minimumQuorum = _minimumQuorum || 10;
        debatingPeriod = _debatingPeriod * 1 minutes || 30 days;
    }


    function newProposal(address _recipient, uint _amount, bytes32 _data, string _description) returns (uint proposalID) {
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0) {
            proposalID = proposals.length++;
            Proposal p = proposals[proposalID];
            p.recipient = _recipient;
            p.amount = _amount;
            p.data = _data;
            p.description = _description;
            p.creationDate = now;
            p.active = true;
            ProposalAdded(proposalID, _recipient, _amount, _data, _description);
            numProposals = proposalID+1;
        }
    }

    function vote(uint _proposalID, int _position) returns (uint voteID){
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0 && (_position >= -1 || _position <= 1 )) {
            Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
            if (p.voted[msg.sender] == true) return;
            voteID = p.votes.length++;
            p.votes[voteID] = Vote({position: _position, voter: msg.sender});
            p.voted[msg.sender] = true;
            Voted(_proposalID,  _position, msg.sender);
        }
    }

    function executeProposal(uint _proposalID) returns (int result) {
        Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
        /* Check if debating period is over */
        if (now > (p.creationDate + debatingPeriod) && p.active){   
            uint quorum = 0;
            /* tally the votes */
            for (uint i = 0; i <  p.votes.length; ++i) {
                Vote v = p.votes[i];
                uint voteWeight = voterShare.coinBalanceOf(v.voter);
                quorum += voteWeight;
                result += int(voteWeight) * v.position;
            }
            /* execute result */
            if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result > 0 ) {
                p.recipient.call.value(p.amount)(p.data);
                p.active = false;
            } else if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result < 0) {
                p.active = false;
            }
            ProposalTallied(_proposalID, result, quorum, p.active);
        }
    }
}



Great job with creating this Democracy contract.


legendary
Activity: 2198
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Franko is Freedom
An example of a DAO contract

Code:
contract token { mapping (address => uint) public coinBalanceOf;   function token() { }   function sendCoin(address receiver, uint amount) returns(bool sufficient) {  } }


contract Democracy {

    uint public minimumQuorum;
    uint public debatingPeriod;
    token public voterShare;
    address public founder;
    Proposal[] public proposals;
    uint public numProposals;

    event ProposalAdded(uint proposalID, address recipient, uint amount, bytes32 data, string description);
    event Voted(uint proposalID, int position, address voter);
    event ProposalTallied(uint proposalID, int result, uint quorum, bool active);

    struct Proposal {
        address recipient;
        uint amount;
        bytes32 data;
        string description;
        uint creationDate;
        bool active;
        Vote[] votes;
        mapping (address => bool) voted;
    }

    struct Vote {
        int position;
        address voter;
    }

    function Democracy(token _voterShareAddress, uint _minimumQuorum, uint _debatingPeriod) {
        founder = msg.sender; 
        voterShare = token(_voterShareAddress);
        minimumQuorum = _minimumQuorum || 10;
        debatingPeriod = _debatingPeriod * 1 minutes || 30 days;
    }


    function newProposal(address _recipient, uint _amount, bytes32 _data, string _description) returns (uint proposalID) {
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0) {
            proposalID = proposals.length++;
            Proposal p = proposals[proposalID];
            p.recipient = _recipient;
            p.amount = _amount;
            p.data = _data;
            p.description = _description;
            p.creationDate = now;
            p.active = true;
            ProposalAdded(proposalID, _recipient, _amount, _data, _description);
            numProposals = proposalID+1;
        }
    }

    function vote(uint _proposalID, int _position) returns (uint voteID){
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0 && (_position >= -1 || _position <= 1 )) {
            Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
            if (p.voted[msg.sender] == true) return;
            voteID = p.votes.length++;
            p.votes[voteID] = Vote({position: _position, voter: msg.sender});
            p.voted[msg.sender] = true;
            Voted(_proposalID,  _position, msg.sender);
        }
    }

    function executeProposal(uint _proposalID) returns (int result) {
        Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
        /* Check if debating period is over */
        if (now > (p.creationDate + debatingPeriod) && p.active){   
            uint quorum = 0;
            /* tally the votes */
            for (uint i = 0; i <  p.votes.length; ++i) {
                Vote v = p.votes[i];
                uint voteWeight = voterShare.coinBalanceOf(v.voter);
                quorum += voteWeight;
                result += int(voteWeight) * v.position;
            }
            /* execute result */
            if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result > 0 ) {
                p.recipient.call.value(p.amount)(p.data);
                p.active = false;
            } else if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result < 0) {
                p.active = false;
            }
            ProposalTallied(_proposalID, result, quorum, p.active);
        }
    }
}
legendary
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Franko is Freedom

11m is the initial reserve
----------------------
10m goes into a ternary community DAO contract (where no central authority can spend them)


Again, PROOF please how you gonna guarantee it. Don't tell me devs are well known, because I don't say they are scammers.



Also you shares in community will base on funds held
Basically devs will hold most of supply for many months
So no matter how you call it, devs will control 90% supply for many months


How exactly do you want proof again?
hero member
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Do we start ethminer.exe while step 3 is running?
yes

I don't see it mining, I type miner.start() and it said "true"?
The console output is redirected to exp.log (see bat-file). Besides you can check the hashrate (miner.hashrate). For all this you don't need the ethminer.
If you want to mine with ethminer, stop cpu mining (miner.stop()).
Call (for GPU-Mining):
ethminer -G -F http://127.0.0.1:9656


thank you for being helpful

I think the rpcport is 9659

its 9656 Tongue

Yes, it is!, but then the OP is wrong, it says 9659 Smiley
legendary
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8b 16b DEMOSCENE FTW

11m is the initial reserve
----------------------
10m goes into a ternary community DAO contract (where no central authority can spend them)


Again, PROOF please how you gonna guarantee it. Don't tell me devs are well known, because I don't say they are scammers.



Also you shares in community will base on funds held
Basically devs will hold most of supply for many months
So no matter how you call it, devs will control 90% supply for many months


legendary
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Franko is Freedom
legendary
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are we less than 2 hours away from mining launch?


legendary
Activity: 2198
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Franko is Freedom
Do we start ethminer.exe while step 3 is running?
yes

I don't see it mining, I type miner.start() and it said "true"?
The console output is redirected to exp.log (see bat-file). Besides you can check the hashrate (miner.hashrate). For all this you don't need the ethminer.
If you want to mine with ethminer, stop cpu mining (miner.stop()).
Call (for GPU-Mining):
ethminer -G -F http://127.0.0.1:9656


thank you for being helpful

I think the rpcport is 9659

its 9656 Tongue
hero member
Activity: 583
Merit: 502
Do we start ethminer.exe while step 3 is running?
yes

I don't see it mining, I type miner.start() and it said "true"?
The console output is redirected to exp.log (see bat-file). Besides you can check the hashrate (miner.hashrate). For all this you don't need the ethminer.
If you want to mine with ethminer, stop cpu mining (miner.stop()).
Call (for GPU-Mining):
ethminer -G -F http://127.0.0.1:9656


thank you for being helpful

I think the rpcport is 9659
member
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Tiny BUBBLES

Do not create a war between SHF and EXP

It will just make both look bad.


Promote these first two coins as the best Ethereum clones.


The most likely scenario is both go up, or both go down. It's highly unlikely that 1 will do substantially better based on people putting down the other coins. Do not make this a competition. Anyone who has cloned ethereum already clearly has skills.


I would like to see the scenario where everyone is positive and both ethereum clones becomes really big.



+100K
legendary
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Franko is Freedom

I like the idea because I'm a developer. Devs need money, miners need money. Why not go 50/50 split?


It's fine that devs need money. However, at this moment premine is >90%.





I actually have no idea how much the premine is. I doubt it's 90%.






Block Reward: 8
Gas Limit: 31415926
Block Target: 60 seconds
Listen Port: 60606
RPC Port: 9659
Reserve: 11 Million (Community Managed)


Premine: 11M

after 1st day: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 = 11M + 11520, premine is 99.9%
after 1st week: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 7 = 11M + 80640, premine is 99.3%
after 1st month: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 = 11M + 351360, premine is 96.8%
after 1st quarter: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 * 3 = 11M + 1054080, premine is 90.4%
after 1st year: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 11M + 4204800, premine is 61.8%

Call it however you want.


Nice maths! Except you conviently left out the entire DAO that house those figures.

11m is the initial reserve
----------------------
10m goes into a ternary community DAO contract (where no central authority can spend them)
1m goes into a multisig founder/developer DAO that is slowly released over time
100k is awarded to developers up front for their initial contributions.

100k of 10m == 0.9090909090909091%

I look forward to your next post.
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