The whole c-cex affair is just plain embarrassing...
I think it is showing both c-cex and the heat team in a very unfavorable light so far.
Get that shit sorted out and over with already!
Please remember how important it is to openly communicate with your community about important subjects and this is important.
Topic: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat* - page 125. (Read 418460 times)
February 08, 2017, 08:43:14 AM
February 08, 2017, 08:42:02 AM
Dang this is riveting 
February 08, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
So can we forge within the wallet now or have to wait for that to be updated as well?
ok we shall wait buit tell us the exact that how much time will be require for waiting...
February 08, 2017, 07:01:42 AM
Why not wait a few days before making v 0.9.1 available for the community, than you can get much more heat, devs...
Well, at least someone values the coin. Or maybe they are just completely incompetent.
I really need to know. Were there a privileged few who got early access to forge alone on the main chain for several hours? Not cool if true.
Anyone knows who "supernet" is?The "who" doesn't matter. It's the "how" that does.
- Developer creates a private 0.9.4 release
- Developer gives this release to a few buddies (7 nodes other than heatwallet.com by my count prior to public release)
- Developer and buddies create a fork and gain all rewards for several hours on their fucked up 0.9.4 chain
- Nobody else can join that chain because software is not available
- 0.9.4 is finally made public and forces everyone to the fucked up chain
This is not acceptable. One of the most important jobs of a blockchain developer is to maintain fairness in blockchain rewards. This is non-negotiable, and any blockchain developer that disagrees needs to find a new line of work.
For a developer to create a fork for him and his buddies and then force it as the main chain is totally messed up. This belongs on a discarded testnet chain.
Don't do it again.
Looks like they followed my 'advice'
LOL
such a shitcoin, glad I am out.
February 08, 2017, 05:53:34 AM
There is no need to burn HEAT gained from exclusive forging when it can be donated, to grow the nodes network or to something else.
Sure, give me a good place to donate to and I will as I always doI run a service rewarding nodes for NXT and since recently for HEAT. The HEAT account has been empty most of the time https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17661697
I'm also for the lucky node donation
February 08, 2017, 04:37:23 AM
jl777's and Supernet assistance as the highest HEAT stakeholder and major forger have been indispensable in clearing up the early phases of the network. Any "priviliged" forging for a few hours that's technically required from one or a few large forgers to keep the network in order, needs to be limited in attendance otherwise it misses the purpose of stabilizing a fork and harms the project's progress by scattering the blockchain to numerous instances. Bold theoretical principles of equality and fairness can be speculated but unfortunately there's no middle ground there for any practical purposes. Testnet testing and ample preparation time for sizable maneuvers are impossible due to time restricted circumstances.
If required, I'll personally cover the costs of any such rewards being re-distributed to the stakeholders or community when appropriate.
If required, I'll personally cover the costs of any such rewards being re-distributed to the stakeholders or community when appropriate.
"* This release also enables the use of account email id's which you can
register free of charge for new accounts created through either the web
wallet or one of the downloadable desktop versions."
Is this possible via https://heatwallet.com/ ? If it is I just can't find it.
Not yet. Possibly later today register free of charge for new accounts created through either the web
wallet or one of the downloadable desktop versions."
Is this possible via https://heatwallet.com/ ? If it is I just can't find it.
February 08, 2017, 04:29:49 AM
There is no need to burn HEAT gained from exclusive forging when it can be donated, to grow the nodes network or to something else.
Sure, give me a good place to donate to and I will as I always doI run a service rewarding nodes for NXT and since recently for HEAT. The HEAT account has been empty most of the time https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17661697
February 08, 2017, 04:26:55 AM
"* This release also enables the use of account email id's which you can
register free of charge for new accounts created through either the web
wallet or one of the downloadable desktop versions."
Is this possible via https://heatwallet.com/ ? If it is I just can't find it.
register free of charge for new accounts created through either the web
wallet or one of the downloadable desktop versions."
Is this possible via https://heatwallet.com/ ? If it is I just can't find it.
February 08, 2017, 04:20:04 AM
Great to see quality people like jl777 helping with Heat, too.
February 08, 2017, 04:04:59 AM
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
I say just keep it. A stable chain will benefit every HEAT holder more than the few forging rewards we missed.There is no need to burn HEAT gained from exclusive forging when it can be donated, to grow the nodes network or to something else.
That could also be a nice idea. It would be nice if we had a faucet or something, as people can buy HEAT on the exchange without owning HEAT. February 08, 2017, 04:01:58 AM
There is no need to burn HEAT gained from exclusive forging when it can be donated, to grow the nodes network or to something else.
Sure, give me a good place to donate to and I will as I always do February 08, 2017, 03:55:54 AM
There is no need to burn HEAT gained from exclusive forging when it can be donated, to grow the nodes network or to something else.
February 08, 2017, 03:50:22 AM
For the record I would like to state that I stayed up late (past 24hour long day) to help get the HEAT chain back on track yesterday.
If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
Cheers James. For the non-technical amongst us, is the HEAT chain good to go now? If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
What everybody can do to help is start using HEAT as much as possible. Do crazy things, make lots of transactions. push it till it breaks, or doesnt
mainnet ALWAYS finds something you cant in a testnet as the real world has real people doing real things that is impossible to predict
So HEAT is certainly good enough to be using and everybody should use it, and I dont think anybody has lost any funds due to HEAT blockchain issues, but of course be careful and dont do anything silly. Crazy is good, silly isnt
Thanks for the input.
February 08, 2017, 03:45:34 AM
For the record I would like to state that I stayed up late (past 24hour long day) to help get the HEAT chain back on track yesterday.
If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
Cheers James. For the non-technical amongst us, is the HEAT chain good to go now? If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
What everybody can do to help is start using HEAT as much as possible. Do crazy things, make lots of transactions. push it till it breaks, or doesnt
mainnet ALWAYS finds something you cant in a testnet as the real world has real people doing real things that is impossible to predict
So HEAT is certainly good enough to be using and everybody should use it, and I dont think anybody has lost any funds due to HEAT blockchain issues, but of course be careful and dont do anything silly. Crazy is good, silly isnt
February 08, 2017, 03:38:17 AM
Hello all. (most)
Can someone explain what the fuss is about the testing period?
1.Were coins produced by a small group?
2.How many coins, if so?
Thanks.
BTW I have memberberry and stewieg on ignore so i won't see what they post. I'm not interested in their trolling
I have bought some of this coin and I think it has amazing potential. I'm not going to be upset if a number were produced to test things out. That really doesn't matter to me, but could someone just explain what the fuss is about.
Thanks
Can someone explain what the fuss is about the testing period?
1.Were coins produced by a small group?
2.How many coins, if so?
Thanks.
BTW I have memberberry and stewieg on ignore so i won't see what they post. I'm not interested in their trolling
I have bought some of this coin and I think it has amazing potential. I'm not going to be upset if a number were produced to test things out. That really doesn't matter to me, but could someone just explain what the fuss is about.
Thanks
February 08, 2017, 03:34:49 AM
For the record I would like to state that I stayed up late (past 24hour long day) to help get the HEAT chain back on track yesterday.
If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
Cheers James. For the non-technical amongst us, is the HEAT chain good to go now? If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
February 08, 2017, 03:18:45 AM
For the record I would like to state that I stayed up late (past 24hour long day) to help get the HEAT chain back on track yesterday.
If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
If you have been paying attention, HEAT has been forking and looping and at first it is most vulnerable to such things. The safest way to get a new fork solid is to generate enough blocks so other nodes will recognize it as the right chain. To do that an account with enough stake is needed.
A free for all start to forging could well have created another mess and that would hurt HEAT quite a bit in my opinion. At this point stable block generation is the primary thing that needs to be achieved.
Did SuperNET unfairly get a few thousand HEAT due to it having enough stake to be able to forge the new path? Maybe if there werent these technical issues like there needing to be a stable chain, I could agree with that. Even though that is not the case, I will just burn the rewards during the bootstrap period if that will make the trolling stop.
February 08, 2017, 02:45:08 AM
I really need to know. Were there a privileged few who got early access to forge alone on the main chain for several hours? Not cool if true.
Anyone knows who "supernet" is?The "who" doesn't matter. It's the "how" that does.
- Developer creates a private 0.9.4 release
- Developer gives this release to a few buddies (7 nodes other than heatwallet.com by my count prior to public release)
- Developer and buddies create a fork and gain all rewards for several hours on their fucked up 0.9.4 chain
- Nobody else can join that chain because software is not available
- 0.9.4 is finally made public and forces everyone to the fucked up chain
This is not acceptable. One of the most important jobs of a blockchain developer is to maintain fairness in blockchain rewards. This is non-negotiable, and any blockchain developer that disagrees needs to find a new line of work.
For a developer to create a fork for him and his buddies and then force it as the main chain is totally messed up. This belongs on a discarded testnet chain.
Don't do it again.
Well, this is the second time Dennis has shown aloofness towards maintaining fair rewards, so go figure.
Maybe it wasn't thought out. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE!!! This shit gotta stop!
They were ninja mining for at least 3 hours, maybe more.
EDIT: Here's a refresher:
- Clone the main chain to a testnet
- Invite a few buddies to testnet.
- When tested to satisfaction, discard the testnet chain!
- Simultaneous public release to everyone (including heatwallet.com and heatwallet download)
- Coincident announcement on all major channels
making completely no difference. the previous release was unstable. everything with 0 infront of the verion number is alpha.
we understand: its alpha. all people understanding besides steeeewie and account clones like jack needles.
the blockrewards are on the mainnet, so there are people testing and forging the chain! its not out of fun.
February 08, 2017, 02:04:07 AM
some people will find anything to complain about. 3 hours testing forging somewhere is unfair?
February 08, 2017, 01:55:17 AM
Is this a one-off release not following the industry standard of forking when the older release works until some block in the future? The 24 hours phase of deployment in the pre-announcement could have been justly interpreted as 24 hours to that future hardforking block, but the fork happened much quicker.
I hope this was a one-off event, it will start looking bad if this is repeated practice of forking HEAT in the future releases.
I hope this was a one-off event, it will start looking bad if this is repeated practice of forking HEAT in the future releases.
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