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Quote from: StewieG on January 21, 2017, 05:50:25 PM

Quote from: notsofast on January 21, 2017, 05:29:16 PM

I can hardly believe the pissing and moaning I have to wade through when keeping up with this thread.

If you have any HEAT pre-tokens on CCex or Alcurex please let me know so I can set a bid for you to dump into.

FYI you can just set that bid and if people sell they will sell into you.

Very hard to keep up with this thread, and it's your fault-- it's primarily your pissing and moaning I'm wading through, I see now.

Clearly my statement went over your head. Of course I know I can set a bid and see if someone hits it. That is not what I am interested in doing, and it is not what I proposed to do. I asked for people to let me know they were willing to sell, beforehand. I'm not interested to leave bitcoin at these two high counterparty-risk exchanges waiting for dumps. I want to gauge seller interest within this thread that you've barfed FUD and self-entitled refund seeking all over.

Nobody responded that they wanted to sell, so consider that interest gauged.

Maybe it also means the better play is to be patient and wait for the software release, and if it never happens, accept the outcome (whether refund or loss), and move on quickly and easily because you didn't risk beyond your tolerance and get REKT by this one speculative action with HEAT. Maybe that's what most of the people monitoring this thread are doing-- in fact, to make that monitoring easier, I'll have to put you on mute so I can parse the thread more quickly.

Thanks for playing.

mm0104

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Quote from: verymuchso on July 10, 2016, 04:13:01 AM

The mentioned wallet at https://lompsa.com is our old wallet software btw, for HEAT we have build a completely new client from scratch.
It uses the latest client side techniques (Angular 2, TypeScript and Google Material).

Another gem I just found. I can rember that it took quite some time to even get the first version of the wallet out, without token claim. In the quote he says they have already built it. You can't make this up...

StewieG

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Quote from: bitdexter on January 22, 2017, 11:37:10 AM

I absolutely love how C-cex has some power with this launch.
we are going to see HEATS true colors very shortly .

Yeah loving it too. The only reason these Heat scumbags can treat us like that is because they already have our funds, with c-cex they can not do that. This says a lot about the Heat team. And even now they don't give any new info. The last post was not satisfying at all. All the info they provided was that Heat server will be open source but then again this is not sure. That information was provided before. Nothing new... Yawn... There are so many questions out there (I am tired of listing them again) and still they answer none of them. It looks as if they are not even sure if they can launch HEAT before thursday, a long time ago they have even stated that heat would be almost finished. Great work, can I have my money back now?

bitdexter

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Quote from: HmmMAA on January 22, 2017, 12:24:08 PM

Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on January 22, 2017, 04:01:22 AM

HEAT client will be open source at launch. HEAT server is MIT licensed and will be open sourced soon after launch if not at launch. It's not decided at this point due to conflicts of interest involved. JV partners and potential investors prefer closed source for some time to get ahead of competitors cloning our proprietary source based on 3 years of work. What we didn't account for when planning the otherwise beneficial closed source period, is that some exchanges understandably request open source. We still have to make sure whether that's publicly, and strictly at launch or if it can be 1-3 months afterwards.

As stated previously, we had to put quite a bit of effort to roll back our FIMK-related processes to base HEAT on the older version of NXT before it was GNU licensed. This has an important reason - Heat Ledger Ltd builds corporate solutions based on the HEAT technology that's MIT licensed (can be closed source). It's natural for corporate customers to request the exact software they use is NOT open source. In fact it's very difficult to obtain customers if the software terms state that the whole piece you provide them has to be published open source.

Our escrow partner C-CEX is being pressured by some ICO participants to cancel the ICO and buy the HEAT tokens back. We've agreed to provide the wallet and HEAT tokens within 4 days from now or the ICO funds on C-CEX would be used to buy back the HEAT pre-sale tokens. They also requested we need to adjust the HEAT API to contain full NXT-compatible RPC for the part that exchangers use. That's no problem and is actually useful to readily offer NXT-compatible procedures for easier barrier of entry for 3rd party integration.

Thanks for the update .
So now that the project seems to begin ( i HOPE you will deliver before the deadline ) can you make an updated roadmap ? You can understand that all this mess was created by your irresponsibility regarding informing about project status , so to avoid a new wave of dissatisfied investors you and DeKlerk should discuss like responsible adults and come up to a new roadmap with "strict" timeframes .
I can understand that this is not the best time to do it as you have to deliver mainnet , but it should be your first priority after that . And by the delay you had with wallet i believe that YOU MUST HIRE PEOPLE . The funds this project has raise are more than enough , don't try to be cheap .
XEL is almost 1 year project , it doesn't even have mainnet yet and no one is complaining because Evil-Knievel keeps the investors informed about the status of project with videos , commits etc . It is a groundbreaking project like HEAT , BUT the big difference is that ALL the XEL community supports EK because of his attitude .

Exactly,
I am usually extremely supportive with all projects in which the Devs show transparancy and good faith.
Heat has been anything but transparant and at times seems to act in bad faith (such as trying to change agreements).
They can only blame themselves for this shit storm.
So far, the investors have seen nothing & have been fed constant lies & procrastination about launch.
There attitude only inflames investors. They have no idea about the importance of public relation which i believe will bite them in the ass with the second fundraising if they actually launch

HmmMAA

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Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on January 22, 2017, 04:01:22 AM

HEAT client will be open source at launch. HEAT server is MIT licensed and will be open sourced soon after launch if not at launch. It's not decided at this point due to conflicts of interest involved. JV partners and potential investors prefer closed source for some time to get ahead of competitors cloning our proprietary source based on 3 years of work. What we didn't account for when planning the otherwise beneficial closed source period, is that some exchanges understandably request open source. We still have to make sure whether that's publicly, and strictly at launch or if it can be 1-3 months afterwards.

As stated previously, we had to put quite a bit of effort to roll back our FIMK-related processes to base HEAT on the older version of NXT before it was GNU licensed. This has an important reason - Heat Ledger Ltd builds corporate solutions based on the HEAT technology that's MIT licensed (can be closed source). It's natural for corporate customers to request the exact software they use is NOT open source. In fact it's very difficult to obtain customers if the software terms state that the whole piece you provide them has to be published open source.

Our escrow partner C-CEX is being pressured by some ICO participants to cancel the ICO and buy the HEAT tokens back. We've agreed to provide the wallet and HEAT tokens within 4 days from now or the ICO funds on C-CEX would be used to buy back the HEAT pre-sale tokens. They also requested we need to adjust the HEAT API to contain full NXT-compatible RPC for the part that exchangers use. That's no problem and is actually useful to readily offer NXT-compatible procedures for easier barrier of entry for 3rd party integration.

Thanks for the update .
So now that the project seems to begin ( i HOPE you will deliver before the deadline ) can you make an updated roadmap ? You can understand that all this mess was created by your irresponsibility regarding informing about project status , so to avoid a new wave of dissatisfied investors you and DeKlerk should discuss like responsible adults and come up to a new roadmap with "strict" timeframes .
I can understand that this is not the best time to do it as you have to deliver mainnet , but it should be your first priority after that . And by the delay you had with wallet i believe that YOU MUST HIRE PEOPLE . The funds this project has raise are more than enough , don't try to be cheap .
XEL is almost 1 year project , it doesn't even have mainnet yet and no one is complaining because Evil-Knievel keeps the investors informed about the status of project with videos , commits etc . It is a groundbreaking project like HEAT , BUT the big difference is that ALL the XEL community supports EK because of his attitude .

bitdexter

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Quote from: MoveCrypto on January 22, 2017, 12:10:30 PM

Quote from: Danzing on January 22, 2017, 11:53:29 AM

If nothing changes and c-cex pulls up buy support in 4 days, my understanding it's going to be @0.0001, correct?

If that did happen and weak hands sold into the CCEX buy wall, then they will deeply regret it when HEAT becomes stratis on steroids and smashes through 0.0004

LOL, I can't wait for 4 days time.
we will all know the truth by then.
If Heat doesn't release & gives more excuses, they are basically losing $140k, almost 14% of their funds.
That will be the biggest indication that this is a scam.
If they do release, we will be able to see the codebase and know whether it does what it says on the tin.

No point in moaning anymore.
Just have to wait untill then

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move that crypto

Quote from: Danzing on January 22, 2017, 11:53:29 AM

If nothing changes and c-cex pulls up buy support in 4 days, my understanding it's going to be @0.0001, correct?

If that did happen and weak hands sold into the CCEX buy wall, then they will deeply regret it when HEAT becomes stratis on steroids and smashes through 0.0004

Danzing

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If nothing changes and c-cex pulls up buy support in 4 days, my understanding it's going to be @0.0001, correct?

bitdexter

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I absolutely love how C-cex has some power with this launch.
we are going to see HEATS true colors very shortly .

Crapsy

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shoutofgaia

Quote from: StewieG on January 22, 2017, 08:55:30 AM

Quote from: Crapsy on January 22, 2017, 08:49:37 AM

Well. I thought there was an agreement to launch within the following next 4 days. Wink

No need to yell refund here before that.

Even if they launch within 4 days I will yell refund because what we will get is not what we signed up for. They can basically just fork bitcoin in an alpha version and it would count as "wallet released within 4 days"! This is still fraud man! What we will get will be worth nothing and the heat team has the decission now between keeping the funds and thereby pissing everone off and have a company that is already doomed or to refund everyone and look for another project.

Can't take seriously whatever you say, because you would yell anyway Cheesy

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Quote from: StewieG on January 22, 2017, 08:55:30 AM

Quote from: Crapsy on January 22, 2017, 08:49:37 AM

Well. I thought there was an agreement to launch within the following next 4 days. Wink

No need to yell refund here before that.

Even if they launch within 4 days I will yell refund because what we will get is not what we signed up for. They can basically just fork bitcoin in an alpha version and it would count as "wallet released within 4 days"! This is still fraud man! What we will get will be worth nothing and the heat team has the decission now between keeping the funds and thereby pissing everone off and have a company that is already doomed or to refund everyone and look for another project.

I think C-cex is more savvy than to not refund investors if they just fork an existing client.

Shame about investors who invested not using C-cex.

StewieG

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Quote from: Crapsy on January 22, 2017, 08:49:37 AM

Well. I thought there was an agreement to launch within the following next 4 days. Wink

No need to yell refund here before that.

Even if they launch within 4 days I will yell refund because what we will get is not what we signed up for. They can basically just fork bitcoin in an alpha version and it would count as "wallet released within 4 days"! This is still fraud man! What we will get will be worth nothing and the heat team has the decission now between keeping the funds and thereby pissing everone off and have a company that is already doomed or to refund everyone and look for another project.

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shoutofgaia

Well. I thought there was an agreement to launch within the following next 4 days. Wink

No need to yell refund here before that.

StewieG

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Quote from: mm0104 on January 22, 2017, 08:39:35 AM

Any refund should be applied to every investor, everything else would be unfair, but again it won't happen, because we only bought tokens, no features or release dates or anything else.

We have to stay realistic. As long as they don't pull an exit-scam or something a legal case would absolutely make no sense.
The best case scenario, in case of such a dump that everybody (except for the already harmed FIMK-victims) takes a loss, is a buy wall as stated, and even promised by the generous Svante, in the post quoted above.

Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on December 29, 2016, 01:00:45 PM

For the altcoiners, I can now make a promise: We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact).

I don't know if I rather should Roll Eyes

or

about this one:

Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on December 29, 2016, 01:00:45 PM

I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.

I can recall a lot of false claims and announcements, but let's not drift away into semantics.
We have to be very careful as he made it very clear that nothing that he states is a promise of any sort as long as it is not explicitly stated as such. So don't expect more than a wallet and tokens, just to prevent further disappointment.

Yes yes we know... This whole coin has been a complete joke. The sad part is that my posts were rather mild jokes compared to the jokes the heat team delivered.

@CCEX was there a contract or any of that sort between you and the heat team about delivery? All we get presented that we "formally" only signed up to the promise that there will be a coin. But I guess you would have a more specific contrat with them.

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Any refund should be applied to every investor, everything else would be unfair, but again it won't happen, because we only bought tokens, no features or release dates or anything else.

We have to stay realistic. As long as they don't pull an exit-scam or something a legal case would absolutely make no sense.
The best case scenario, in case of such a dump that everybody (except for the already harmed FIMK-victims) takes a loss, is a buy wall as stated, and even promised by the generous Svante, in the post quoted below.

Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on December 29, 2016, 01:00:45 PM

For the altcoiners, I can now make a promise: We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact).

I don't know if I rather should Roll Eyes

or

about this one:

Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on December 29, 2016, 01:00:45 PM

I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.

I can recall a lot of false claims and announcements, but let's not drift away into semantics.
We have to be very careful as he made it very clear that nothing that he states is a promise of any sort as long as it is not explicitly stated as such. So don't expect more than a wallet and tokens, just to prevent further disappointment.

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Quote from: Crapsy on January 22, 2017, 08:35:04 AM

How much did you buy on C-CEX and at what ICO-rate Stewie? I thought you only invested directly to the ICO-account...

I have nothing at ccex nor at alcurex, I invested with eth directly! I still care for people who bought in it somewhere else and think they should get a refund too. CCEX is honest and is ready to give them their money back, which I think is fair. Heat team should be honest aswell

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if you try to do a refund on ccex you also should do one at alcurex, its also an exchange who was part in heat ico same like ccex.
would not be fair to do just one at ccex but not on alcurex.

If both exchanges scrap heat of their list, heat is tradeable nowhere. I mean it is already worth zero now and it is their own fault! They did not even try to get it to bittrex! I mean this is a joke, everything else but a refund I consider a complete joke and lack of morality! Or just call it fraud!

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shoutofgaia

How much did you buy on C-CEX and at what ICO-rate Stewie? I thought you only invested directly to the ICO-account...

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Quote from: StewieG on January 22, 2017, 07:47:58 AM

I want a refund! Angry

I did not order a yacht in order to get a 6 months delayed lifebelt!!!

Instead of trolling stewie,
how about you release what you promised

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While I do not like Stewies style and FUD attempts I agree with him that we deserve a refund and we are eligible for it. Since Stewie was the one who opened communication with CCEX it would be good if he could contact them and make sure we get a refund if the launch is incomplete.

Well done Stewie,
I was going to leave it untill Monday to contact C-cex.
Atleast i now know my funds are now alot safer.

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