Topic: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat* - page 214. (Read 418460 times)

My prediction of July:

You have to be someway delusional to even wrote anything like "FIMK network has been doing pretty well recently". That is quite astonishing description of a shitcoin (I think that is proper definition of monetary system that has no value, liquidity or users) and big red flag for any investor.

You have also claimed numerous time that you have existing experience in entrepreneurship but I have not found any other information than anyone can found out at your Linkedin. There is only one company mentioned and that is just some one man workshop with small revenue. Instead you´re posing here like someone who has already made it to the top, which is hard to believe.  

Only reference that I´ve found was a article from 2010 which include our Eliphaz as a victim of loan-sharking (taking quickie loan). You can try to google translate it (http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2010/09/06/kasikirjoitus-0)

I tried to make a quick translation too:

IT sector entrepreneur Svante Lehtinen had to resort to quickie loan, when the company's operations was on temporarily break.

MOT: "What is our main reason you took loan back then?"


Svante Lehtinen: "It does not mater but, that time i took to buy some food and gasoline."

interviewer: "day to day stuff like ...?"


Lehtinen: "Yep, unexpected expenses in that situation, when i was short of cash."


Okay, that is many years ago, but if that is the only reference which can be founded it may tell you guys something....

The founder have been involved with big financial issues just 5y ago. He have
took so called "quick loans" with super high profit for grantor. In the story he explains that loan is for
"food and gas". You are still thinking to get some roi? Think again and try to consentrate for another projects.
You wil newer ever get anything back from this project.

Want to trace him? I live in the same city. Pm me and he will be yours.

Eliphaz, are you going to say that same about Heat in 2018? Network still exists and you have copy pasted code on github? thats all?

After Heat genesis launch, are you going to move on to plan next ICO project with money you got from Heat ICO?

Just asking, because that is exactly what you have done before.

Exactly, we gave them the money to do this themselves. Otherwise this would be a community project headed by a group of people in the community. We can support them, but they have the funds to do this from us.

edit: all the devs have to say is "We have the funds, when the time is right we will talk to (exchanges) and do whatever we have to get our project listed. This includes paying whatever fees with the community funds in order to achieve this goal." Done, everyone is happy and you can keep coding.

Thanks for the effort. I also found the emails - yes indeed I asked for listing of FIMK and inquired about helping HEAT (whose name remained secret in mid June, so it was not identified) in the ICO as escrow, for later listing on Bittrex. In a followup to their canned reply I offered the 3 BTC quoted somewhere on their site, with communication stopping there on their side.

I remember getting somewhat harsher treatment from Polo. This combined with all the vague requests of showing love with a project that still would be months in making - and of course no chance of listing before a token is out, yeah it was reasonable to put that off until later time.

Like described earlier in this thread, we'll look more closer at the 3rd party exchangers again when the token is out. The initiatives with Bittrex are appreciated and I'll be sure to reach out on the slack soon.


Our bet - on how FIMK will survive? Twisting and turning the past is the trend of the day... If we translate that post there properly, you wrote you'd like to bet that 6 months from that date FIMK's rate is below the ICO level of 160 sat. Quite a difference there in content? Can't remember what the exchange rate was, but the FIMK network has been doing pretty well recently:

https://lompsa.com/#/activity/fim/forgers/latest
https://github.com/fimkrypto/mofowallet

Interesting how the fellow countrymen keep on supporting each other...

Here's a fun bonus for until checking back the next time: Random draft from September with some wallet ideas that became now again relevant with the initial AE User Interface design we're working on with Dennis. Nothing specific, but some competitors may get an idea or two (that happened multiple times earlier with the FIMK client).

That is someway accurate, but you have to remember that that particular forum is full of people who really hate altcoins.

Anyway, Eliphaz did you remember our bet on how the FIMK will survive (https://forum.fimk.fi/index.php?topic=614.msg4461#msg4461).

I knew that FIMK will fail utterly and I am little bit scared that you have not learned a darn thing. I hope that I am wrong this time, because it would nice cashout at least little bit.

OK. Ryan from Bittrex found the application, but, it was in the name of FIMK, not HEAT. He says there is no reference to a HEAT token, in that application.
He advised to apply for another application, so it could be reviewed for compliance, as normal. He also said "the developer should enter an application....."
Over to you, Eliphaz.

He is already a big cheater in his first ico shit, fimk. I wonder why people invested this shit for 2nd time, and they know his black history. Their money is easy to scam

@Eliphaz Fimk - if this coin goes out live and is traded nowhere (or only in shitty little marginal insignificant exchanges - yes, c-cex and friends are marginal and insignificant) it will crumble to dust to be forgotten very very quickly, and the people who put their trust and money in your project will be once again sorry to have done so.
Do you need a main net to get listed in a real exchange? probably.
Does that mean that you should not reach out to the various trading outlets to show them you are (at minimum) working on complying with their requirements to get listed? No, it does not.
The ground should be prepared for multiple listings in as many trading outlets as possible. This should be done parallel to any necessary dev work.
If you can not find the time to do this (this project should not be a 2 man show and this was clear from the start) - than hire someone to do it! Yes, someone from the HEAT team should be reaching out and you collected funds to do this.
Let me remind you (in case you forgot or just decided to ignore it) that all serious projects make clear public estimations/allocations as to how much (%) of their funds will be going out to dev work, to enlarging the team (not staying a 2 man show for example?), to pr work, to a foundation for future support and so on. You published or made clear nothing of this thus far!!
Telling this community and your investors to do it is wrong at minimum, It also smells very bad. Take someone dedicated to the needed community and professional outreach.
A project is a multifaceted endeavor and it seems you are not addressing all facets as needed so far.
Oh, and another thing - give this community and the people who gave you their money real concrete proofs of the ongoing dev work and progression - words are NOT enough now (nor where they enough in the past when this community was more tolerant).

Eliphaz is a joke among finnish crypto people. He is a true professional cheater.

I think you are all naive, If you still believe you have invested in real business case.

Svante Lehtinen can just cheat and make up explanation for any situation. He does not have any skills or will to run real business. This is his second crypto cheating so far. Sooner or later he and his projects will be under criminal investigation by police in Finland.

There is many discussions in different forums about him, where he is trying to convince people to trust and donate money, these are in finnish, try google translator.

https://forum.bittiraha.fi/t/heat-ledger-suomalainen-startup-ja-3-0-kryptoalusta/3255

https://forum.bittiraha.fi/t/fimk-kansainvalinen-pos-perustulovaluutta-julkaisijana-krypto-fin-ry/2064

Good luck and I hope you claim your bounty (worth way more than 0.3 btc) in the event you succeed.

I decided to delete my previous post and i'm trying to calm down , even if i'm totally disappointed . I will try to be reasonable and give the developers a little more space to deliver at least something . Let's see how this will go .

Its my opinion, you would not have PM'ed me unless i wrote this, and really really sorry for being some minutes out on the 24hour thing.

Anyway, ive done what i said i wouldn't do, and spent time replying back to Bittrex. Will keep you guys updated, if/when i get a reply.  

Yes, investors need to calm down now, pressures has no help to the project at all. Now that they have delayed many months, so longer time can be acceptable, we just need to wait for an exchange to dump.

GUYS CAN WE LET THE DEVS GO BACK TO WORK NOW PLEASE!!!

HOW MANY HOOPS DO YOU WANT THESE GUYS TO JUMP THROUGH??

ITS ALMOST DONE.

Relax.

Exaggeration isn't needed. Your message was received <23 hours before you posted this publicly, and I've been very busy today + additionally having received multiple PMs to attend to. 24 hours is indeed an appropriate response time for urgent matters, so it seems you've jumped the gun even when you considered the issue urgent.

It's good to see the community effort in helping with the Bittrex listing, that BTW can't happen before the HEAT tokens are out.

Thanks for the good info. As mentioned, the chart was community sourced and we haven't had a chance to check on the data that's been changing a lot along the way. Some obvious mistakes like you pointed out obviously remain and will be corrected.

Do any messaging apps on that exist?

I got a reply from Bittrex just 5mins after posting my intention. I then immediately sent a PM to Eliphaz Fimk, asking for his needed input.

Guys, ive had no reply from Eliphaz Fimk for the 24hours since, and despite Eliphaz Fimk posting here also. Make your own conclusions about why that is, but i wont be spending anymore time trying to sort it out, and/or risking my 3BTC for anyone who ignores my efforts.

Who wants to buy my HEAT?

Some of those supply numbers are wonky, but mostly the chart is really misinformed about Ethereum. I'm pretty sure STEEM lowered inflation recently and ETH can only have a max of 100mm with the current ice age. I think the DASH numbers might be wrong as well, but I'm not as familiar with that one. Eth is the only one of the lot (besides HEAT) that runs decentralized applications. It's a little weird you got that one wrong since that's almost the sole reason why Ethereum is a thing, it's a general purpose turing complete blockchain. BTS and WAVES definitely don't do decentralized applications. Ardor does child chains. Ethereum has the whisper protocol which does e2e encryption. Ethereum has multisig and its primary language is Solidity, which is javascript based. I look forward to finding out what a smart voucher is.